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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 21:46:34 GMT -5
Still, why was Jon looking at Drogon and Drogon at him while he was kissing Dany? That seemed odd. You must be new to this fandom. It’s been long established that Jon would get Drogon. But in all seriousness, I just took it as Drogon watching out for his mom. I know that rubbish theory but I was going for a more logical approach. Spirit of Drogo lives in Drogon in a way of how fearless, aggressive he is, so I guess he's jealous and wary at the same time. Drogon is such a mama boy.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 14, 2019 21:50:02 GMT -5
Good episode. Could do without the Stark drama, but it's probably merited at this point.
Gendry and Arya were pretty cute, maybe there's a happy ending in there for a few of them.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 14, 2019 21:51:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have to travel at the crack of dawn tomorrow morning so I can’t stay up late talking about the episode. Generally speaking I thought the episode was a bit choppy, jumping from scene to scene without any real transition.
I know it’s a setup episode but by now they should know how to write one of these. The arrival scene was well done I thought, Jon seeing Bran was lovely (he was wearing braids!). The reunion was Arya was lackluster, to be honest. The King Landing scenes were painful, I could care less. I did like the scene of Theon rescuing Yara. The Umber scene was scary and the spiral sign was very reminiscent of the Targaryen symbol, except in reverse. The scene between Dany and Sam wasn’t bad but I do feel like Dany should have provided context for what happened. I thought Sam’s reaction was a little too much to be honest and of course it ruined the reveal of Joon’s parentage. The dragon riding scene wasn’t too bad, although, I would have preferred if it came after the reveal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 21:54:45 GMT -5
I really loved that Arya rose to Sansa's defense with Jon. "She's the smartest person I know." I don't understand Jon's reluctance to at least listen to what she has to say. Although, one minor thing that bugged me - I'm getting a little whiplash with Assassian Arya and Giggly Affectionate Arya. I'd like to find a happy medium. I would have liked a Ghost reunion - at this point, do we even remember the last time Jon saw him? We took some giant steps forward in the storylines but it didn't feel too rushed. How long does it usually take HBO to get this (and the after the episode spot) up on HBO Go? (EDIT: LOL, nevermind - alcasinoroyale is stealthier than Arya! lol) Because as Bran said, there’s no time for such squabbling.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 14, 2019 21:54:55 GMT -5
Qyburn said Cersei “has other plans for the Targaryen girl” besides murder....wtf???
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 14, 2019 21:55:17 GMT -5
In theory Sam should hate his father, but that isn't Sam. He doesn't hate, he just gets disappointed. So him being upset about Randyll dying isn't unrealistic. Children can dislike parents, but when said parent dies, it doesn't mean they won't be upset. Sometimes it can hit harder when they don't get on. Expecting Sam to not be angry is unrealistic. From his perspective, had people known about Jon, his father and brother might still be alive, because Dany probably wouldn't be trying to conquer the seven kingdoms.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 14, 2019 21:55:31 GMT -5
Oh - at the risk of being a complainer (because there were many great things about the episode), I was also rather chapped at Sansa and the way she treated Tyrion when they met. (If I don't get blasted for criticizing Dany, I'm sure I'll be burned at the stake for criticizing Sansa for that, but, really ...) Will have to say I like everything else about Sansa these days - just didn't think Tyrion deserved that at all. Her fleeing the Purple Wedding really left him in a horrible place - not that it was her fault, and not that I blame her for leaving, but I can't believe she couldn't put herself in Tyrion's shoes and see what the repercussions were for him.) I felt like Tyrion wanted to know exactly what happened and if she used him. She could of cleared the air but didn't. She is right about Cersei. Though it appears since killing LF, she thinks she knows everything. Reality check Sansa you were literally the last person to figure out LF was using you and manipulating you. Arya gave you the tool and Bran the evidence. Jon invited Dany into your home cause he yes loves her, but also he is very much trying to save the world. She came off as petty to me and not all that interested in listening to anyone. Which is how she got into trouble with LF. I know LF games, oh fuck he setup my entire family caused the war, and is using me. Forced melodrama in the form of an idiot plot. Everyone has to not communicate like normal human beings for it to work. Glad it's a short lived subplot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 21:56:26 GMT -5
Qyburn said Cersei “has other plans for the Targaryen girl” besides murder....wtf??? Yeah that was interesting...
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 14, 2019 21:56:43 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Jon's reaction to his parentage reveal not being completely about him currently banging his aunt.
Sam: "Don't you get that you're the rightful heir???"
Jon: "Sure sure, but let's get back to me putting this new family tree together first so I can...oh shit, I've made a bit of a misstep here...."
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 14, 2019 21:58:33 GMT -5
Qyburn said Cersei “has other plans for the Targaryen girl” besides murder....wtf??? Probably similar to Septa Unella, Ellaria, and Tyene whom she didn't murder right away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 21:59:20 GMT -5
Qyburn said Cersei “has other plans for the Targaryen girl” besides murder....wtf??? Torture or something even crazier.
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Post by Maesteress on Apr 14, 2019 22:00:03 GMT -5
I am not sure I understand why Bran has lost his empathy. The original Three Eyed Raven was not unemotional. He was serious, dour maybe, but he understood emotion - which is why he was so careful about what he wanted to show Bran. I know he tried to explain his behavior to Meera last season, but still....meh.
I find myself becoming slightly annoyed with Friar Bran. For someone who is becoming all knowing, he seems to be ignoring important things.
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Post by Envie on Apr 14, 2019 22:02:24 GMT -5
I really loved that Arya rose to Sansa's defense with Jon. "She's the smartest person I know." I don't understand Jon's reluctance to at least listen to what she has to say. Although, one minor thing that bugged me - I'm getting a little whiplash with Assassian Arya and Giggly Affectionate Arya. I'd like to find a happy medium. Agreed. I'm not sure if they're doing that on purpose or not. Much like we got a giggly Arya with the Lannister soldiers, and again with reuniting with Sansa in the crypts. It seems to be a 'show' Arya does - but I'm surprised she'd put up a pretense with Jon. Obviously, there's a hint there when she said for Jon to remember that he was family too. I had braced myself for this Stark tension but it ended up being a lot more hard to take than I thought it would be. The episode was a real mess in some ways for emotional yo-yo moments.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 14, 2019 22:02:41 GMT -5
I am not sure I understand why Bran has lost his empathy. The original Three Eyed Raven was not unemotional. He was serious, dour maybe, but he understood emotion - which is why he was so careful about what he wanted to show Bran. I know he tried to explain his behavior to Meera last season, but still....meh. I find myself becoming slightly annoyed with Friar Bran. For someone who is becoming all knowing, he seems to be ignoring important things. the other three eyed raven was like two hundred years old. Bran is still overwhelmed. Give him some time to thaw out.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 14, 2019 22:06:41 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Jon's reaction to his parentage reveal not being completely about him currently banging his aunt. Sam: "Don't you get that you're the rightful heir???" Jon: "Sure sure, but let's get back to me putting this new family tree together first so I can...oh shit, I've made a bit of a misstep here...." Because it’s not an unusual thing to marry your relatives, that’s why. It’s been established in universe on multiple occasion that marriages between cousins and avonculate marriages take place. It wouldn’t be where his head would go to. In fact, I’ve alway said that what would hurt Jon the most about the reveal is knowing he’s not Ned biological son and I’m glad to see I was right.
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