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Post by moiaf on Apr 14, 2019 22:08:10 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that Arya’s words to Jon about Sansa being the smartest person she knows (okay) and that thing about family gives me vibes that a choice is going to be forced upon Jon between the Starks and Dany and he’s not going to choose the Starks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 22:08:12 GMT -5
I really loved that Arya rose to Sansa's defense with Jon. "She's the smartest person I know." I don't understand Jon's reluctance to at least listen to what she has to say. Although, one minor thing that bugged me - I'm getting a little whiplash with Assassian Arya and Giggly Affectionate Arya. I'd like to find a happy medium. Agreed. I'm not sure if they're doing that on purpose or not. Much like we got a giggly Arya with the Lannister soldiers, and again with reuniting with Sansa in the crypts. It seems to be a 'show' Arya does - but I'm surprised she'd put up a pretense with Jon. Obviously, there's a hint there when she said for Jon to remember that he was family too. I had braced myself for this Stark tension but it ended up being a lot more hard to take than I thought it would be. The episode was a real mess in some ways for emotional yo-yo moments. It wasn't really pretense as it was mix of being happy to see him and disappointed what he did while reminding who is his family. Funny enough, Dany is too. It wasn't nearly as bad so far but we'll get there. Jon and Sansa classic lack of communication, trust from both that keeps on going.
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Post by Maesteress on Apr 14, 2019 22:09:24 GMT -5
I found it interesting that it appears both Davos and Varys have already considered the potential for Jon sitting as "King" next to Dany. I would imagine this is simply setting up the huge wave that inevitably will follow when they learn he is the rightful king in the first place, and the North is suddenly and immediately on board with the pair.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 22:11:17 GMT -5
In theory Sam should hate his father, but that isn't Sam. He doesn't hate, he just gets disappointed. So him being upset about Randyll dying isn't unrealistic. Children can dislike parents, but when said parent dies, it doesn't mean they won't be upset. Sometimes it can hit harder when they don't get on. Expecting Sam to not be angry is unrealistic. From his perspective, had people known about Jon, his father and brother might still be alive, because Dany probably wouldn't be trying to conquer the seven kingdoms. Ofc he should be upset, but his first reaction being to run off and shatter his best friend’s world seemed a bit out of character to me. Almost seemed vindictive. Although I guess Sam is not unfamiliar with being manipulative when it comes to advancing Jon.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 14, 2019 22:11:35 GMT -5
I really loved that Arya rose to Sansa's defense with Jon. "She's the smartest person I know." I don't understand Jon's reluctance to at least listen to what she has to say. Although, one minor thing that bugged me - I'm getting a little whiplash with Assassian Arya and Giggly Affectionate Arya. I'd like to find a happy medium. I would have liked a Ghost reunion - at this point, do we even remember the last time Jon saw him? We took some giant steps forward in the storylines but it didn't feel too rushed. How long does it usually take HBO to get this (and the after the episode spot) up on HBO Go? (EDIT: LOL, nevermind - alcasinoroyale is stealthier than Arya! lol) Because as Bran said, there’s no time for such squabbling. On the flip side it's not like Sansa is listening to Jon. I think Jon is in the land of reality. Giant apocalypse coming, I went south and did what I said I would. Massive army, dragons, Dragonglass, time to save the world, with the heroic queen who I got to know. Sansa is not trusting Jons judgment at all on subjects, AOTD and Dany she knows nothing about. Nor does she seem interested in figuring it out rather she seems to be playing the game of thrones as LF taught her. Not the time for BS, which is what frustrates Jon the most. You know Jon was able to convince Dany to an extent, in fact he got further with her than he has with Sansa. Bit annoying for the Smartest person Arya knows. Which is kind of an insult to Jon. Though her other friends consist of Hotpie and Gemdry so Sansa probably is smarter than both of them. She's figured out a great way to know someone, be rude, cold and push them away.
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 14, 2019 22:12:44 GMT -5
Okay I threw my thoughts together.
LIKES Arya and Jon reunion Bran and Jon reunion. Still salty about Bran not getting to emote but I liked that he essentially went "ain't nobody got time for that." Arya and Gendry Tyrion and Sansa sharing a scene, I was wondering how that would go. Sam finding out about his dad and brother. That was so well acted by John Bradley The Umber kid dying was legitimately the creepiest thing I've ever seen them do. I'm glad they got Theon rescuing Yara over with because I was dreading the time spent on it.
DISLIKES Jonerys is still cringy, though I admit I laughed at the dragons staring...hated myself afterwards, but laughed. No Ghost Fuck Lord Glover Fuck Euron
I felt bad for Cersei in this episode. I hate that she felt like she had to fuck Euron.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 14, 2019 22:12:59 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Jon's reaction to his parentage reveal not being completely about him currently banging his aunt. Sam: "Don't you get that you're the rightful heir???" Jon: "Sure sure, but let's get back to me putting this new family tree together first so I can...oh shit, I've made a bit of a misstep here...." Because it’s not an unusual thing to marry your relatives, that’s why. It’s been established in universe on multiple occasion that marriages between cousins and avonculate take place. It wouldn’t be where his head would go to. In fact, I’ve alway said that what would hurt Jon the most about the reveal is knowing he’s not Ned biological son and I’m glad to see I was right. Regardless of societal semi-acceptance of this, we know Jon and that's not something he'd be down with, let's be serious.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 14, 2019 22:13:04 GMT -5
In theory Sam should hate his father, but that isn't Sam. He doesn't hate, he just gets disappointed. So him being upset about Randyll dying isn't unrealistic. Children can dislike parents, but when said parent dies, it doesn't mean they won't be upset. Sometimes it can hit harder when they don't get on. Expecting Sam to not be angry is unrealistic. From his perspective, had people known about Jon, his father and brother might still be alive, because Dany probably wouldn't be trying to conquer the seven kingdoms. Ofc he should be upset, but his first reaction being to run off and shatter his best friend’s world seemed a bit out of character to me. Almost seemed vindictive. Although I guess Sam is not unfamiliar with being manipulative when it comes to advancing Jon. Agree, and Jon Bradly talked about this how Sam has manipulated Jon in the past to advance his own agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 22:13:04 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that Arya’s words to Jon about Sansa being the smartest person she knows (okay) and that thing about family gives me vibes that a choice is going to be forced upon Jon between the Starks and Dany and he’s not going to choose the Starks. That line was bit much. Iirc Maester Luwin was a pretty bright chap...
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Post by izzue on Apr 14, 2019 22:14:21 GMT -5
In fact, I’ve alway said that what would hurt Jon the most about the reveal is knowing he’s not Ned biological son and I’m glad to see I was right. I didn't see this coming, but it makes perfect sense.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 14, 2019 22:14:44 GMT -5
I am not sure I understand why Bran has lost his empathy. The original Three Eyed Raven was not unemotional. He was serious, dour maybe, but he understood emotion - which is why he was so careful about what he wanted to show Bran. I know he tried to explain his behavior to Meera last season, but still....meh. I find myself becoming slightly annoyed with Friar Bran. For someone who is becoming all knowing, he seems to be ignoring important things. That's not Bran. He keeps saying it, and at this point I believe him. Issac said he would be less robotic this year... I'm still waiting on that. I wonder if it has to do with the touch of the NK, or if old 3 eyed fried Brans brain a bit.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 14, 2019 22:14:52 GMT -5
Because it’s not an unusual thing to marry your relatives, that’s why. It’s been established in universe on multiple occasion that marriages between cousins and avonculate take place. It wouldn’t be where his head would go to. In fact, I’ve alway said that what would hurt Jon the most about the reveal is knowing he’s not Ned biological son and I’m glad to see I was right. Regardless of societal semi-acceptance of this, we know Jon and that's not something he'd be down with, let's be serious. I am serious, I’ve said it for years that Jon’s reaction would be that. It was never going to be that he’s related to Dany,, never. It was always going to be about Ned first. Eventually it’ll come up but if you are expecting some big, ew gross moment, it’s not going to happen.
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 14, 2019 22:16:12 GMT -5
Another thing if you read the leak thread - when Friki gave his description of this episode, I felt completely different after seeing the scenes play out. I didn't interpret them the way he did at all. That's typical, but still amusing.
ETA: And I have been laughing at this tweet for about 15 mins straight
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 14, 2019 22:16:21 GMT -5
In theory Sam should hate his father, but that isn't Sam. He doesn't hate, he just gets disappointed. So him being upset about Randyll dying isn't unrealistic. Children can dislike parents, but when said parent dies, it doesn't mean they won't be upset. Sometimes it can hit harder when they don't get on. Expecting Sam to not be angry is unrealistic. From his perspective, had people known about Jon, his father and brother might still be alive, because Dany probably wouldn't be trying to conquer the seven kingdoms. Ofc he should be upset, but his first reaction being to run off and shatter his best friend’s world seemed a bit out of character to me. Almost seemed vindictive. Although I guess Sam is not unfamiliar with being manipulative when it comes to advancing Jon. But he wasn't going to do that. It was Bran who told Sam to do it then. And as Bran is all knowing and omnipresent, Sam decided to do as he was told. Bran must have his reasons for making Sam tell Jon at that particular point, which is what I'm curious about. Why did Bran insist on Sam telling Jon when Sam really wasn't in a fit state to drop that information at that point? I guess there's a specific reason which we might eventually find out about.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 14, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5
In theory Sam should hate his father, but that isn't Sam. He doesn't hate, he just gets disappointed. So him being upset about Randyll dying isn't unrealistic. Children can dislike parents, but when said parent dies, it doesn't mean they won't be upset. Sometimes it can hit harder when they don't get on. Expecting Sam to not be angry is unrealistic. From his perspective, had people known about Jon, his father and brother might still be alive, because Dany probably wouldn't be trying to conquer the seven kingdoms. Ofc he should be upset, but his first reaction being to run off and shatter his best friend’s world seemed a bit out of character to me. Almost seemed vindictive. Although I guess Sam is not unfamiliar with being manipulative when it comes to advancing Jon. That wasn't Sam, Bran told him to do it, Sam said he didn't want to but Bran insisted. Kind makes me wonder about this Bran, something isn't right there.
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