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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 25, 2019 23:42:05 GMT -5
I just saw this at another board--might be worth checking out. I have no clue yet what it might mean. "So no one picked up on a female voice during Group scene ~ 45:52 minutes in a woman voice saying "Let me out" at 45:52. ? On my 5.1 Sony system vol level ~30 I hear a female voice, raised it to 50 I hear it ( right channel ), Put 2 channel head phones on hear it it the right pad." Yeah I heard it before Tyrion says "Almost everyone here has fought the Starks" It could be nothing and just be people talking outside the night before the battle. People want to leave, but they're trapped in the castle now or another nod that something will happen to those in the crypts.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 26, 2019 0:24:22 GMT -5
More proof that Jon Cersei scene was fake They teleport entire armies and fleets all over the world in matter of hours and your worried about the continuity of a cloak showing up unannounced? He left it on his dragon along with his sunglasses. Gendry made 50-60,000 weapons in a day. Pretty sure they don't give a fuck about details. Be glad they all have the same names they started with... Except Jon. You want annoying last season Dany said she didn't like being called Dany cause of Viserys. Guess what Jon called her? In the crypts no less. Show can't even remember what to Call the person they nominated for lead actress. Jon could show up as an autobot at this point and nobody would notice.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 26, 2019 0:32:18 GMT -5
If not for Dragonstone, I was thinking that it could be a secret passage into the Red Keep. Isle of Faces would be cool, though I'm not sure we'll see that in the show. Yeah, it would probably make more sense to be a cave under the Red Keep or something - especially if they are trying to get into the dungeons and lower levels as we've speculated in the past. The only reason I brought up Isle of Faces is because that's a wildcard location for 'mystery' answers to how to defeat the Night King since that's where the original pact between the First Men and CotF was done. Also, The Isle of Faces is one of the few southern locations to still have weirwood trees. So maybe Bran needs to go there to connect up to the weir-net as they travel south - or something? Someone said they thought Isle of Faces was now on the Westeros Intro map and wasn't before - does anyone know for sure? I may take a look at it tomorrow if I have time to log onto HBO NOW for a few to watch ep. 2 intro again. Man it is right next to KL, it's close enough to still be a cave into the red keep. I would die laughing if they have directions for a weapons drawn on the wall. Be about as convienent as Jon's drawing. I mean the children's drawings.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 26, 2019 0:34:48 GMT -5
The costumes in the show have always had a flimsy continuity, based on a more symbolic than a realistic basis. Jon getting Stark gear back on immediately in 604 after being resurrected for instance. But there's no correlation between that and Jon saying Dany again. That wasn't accidental. They have a showbook. Think of the callbacks all through the show. You think they remember that minutia and somehow forget other stuff?
That line was included because it was Jon calling her something other than "your grace", which is what he called her in 706 after deciding he shouldn't call her Dany. Him using it again is part of what makes her bring up his claim as it exists rival to hers. It's a reversal of the scene in the boat bedroom where he submits to her. It was very deliberate.
As for your analysis of the passage of time, they've definitely been in WF for longer than a day. Whether 802 covered more than a day is a different question but 801 clearly covered a longer period of time.
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Post by Envie on Apr 26, 2019 6:55:54 GMT -5
I'm that someone--interestingly, the Isle is no longer an isle! Its now a peninsula, connected to the mainland. Making it easier for the dead army to swarm the Isle and destroy all the weirwood trees? That's my speculation. Nice catch and thanks for the video link! I'm very intrigued by the changes to the map since it's definitely an interactive one this final season. We saw the tiles flip from the wall to around The Last Hearth as the army moved through it from 801 to 802 - so we can guess the tiles will flip all the way to Winterfell for 803. This also means the entire intro sequence is likely a part of the undead army's path, leading it straight down to King's Landing as we speculated. The fact that they moved The God's Eye and Isle of Faces to be right next to King's Landing tells me we've got a good chance of seeing it in the show! You can see the Isle of Faces on the map near KL. It could mean something, but there's also no sign of Harrenhal, which makes sense because it's geographically minimized. It could certainly be explored since the narrative is shifting to KL in the second half of the season and everyone would be traveling south. However, The Isle of Faces hasn't been mentioned in dialogue by Bran and it was never discussed with the children of the forest or the Three-Eyed Raven while he was beyond the wall in the show. Maybe there's no sign of Harrenhal now because it's not involved in this final 'march' of the dead southward as I mentioned above? Just guessing here, but an interactive map would mean only those places directly affected by winter's movement might be shown. If they were going to use the Isle of Faces as a missing puzzle piece, maybe they just wanted to keep it under wraps because lore-hounds like us would have figured it out too quickly!
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 26, 2019 9:39:12 GMT -5
The costumes in the show have always had a flimsy continuity, based on a more symbolic than a realistic basis. Jon getting Stark gear back on immediately in 604 after being resurrected for instance. But there's no correlation between that and Jon saying Dany again. That wasn't accidental. They have a showbook. Think of the callbacks all through the show. You think they remember that minutia and somehow forget other stuff? That line was included because it was Jon calling her something other than "your grace", which is what he called her in 706 after deciding he shouldn't call her Dany. Him using it again is part of what makes her bring up his claim as it exists rival to hers. It's a reversal of the scene in the boat bedroom where he submits to her. It was very deliberate. As for your analysis of the passage of time, they've definitely been in WF for longer than a day. Whether 802 covered more than a day is a different question but 801 clearly covered a longer period of time. I'll look at it again but 801 has no solid indication of covering more than a day, and Theon's timing is perfect for 1 day. So is Jaime, episode 707 made it clear that it's a fortnight to Winterfell by land and boat as they meet the Unsullied and Dothraki on the way and get there within that window. I will look again for any indicators that suggest passage of extended time. I thought maybe the defenses but Sansa had those going before Jon arrived. We have Umber but they teleport people all the time and his time doesn't seem to fit with the reunions. As for a callback to the boat, maybe. But when Jon used Dany it was an accident on the boat and it is not related to her title. Jon spent all season calling her Daenerys, he basically thought Dany was cute. Dany's issue as she informed him was that her brother called her that and Viserys was a huge piece of shit that physically, mentally and sexually abused her. "Not the kind of company you want to keep." She was completely polite about it and simply asked him to use her regular name. He still calls her Daenerys in season 8 and only uses your grace in formal settings. She had stopped asking him to bend the knee on the boat, Jon did it anyway because of what she had just done, what she had lost, and because he was in love. She has her doubts that the northerners would feel the same and he says basically give it time and they will see her as he does. It does not read as reversal of the boat scene? As you point out Jon is still in his Stark clothes in KL. Also Jon is about as likely to make a power move for the throne as Arya is to becoming a pacifist. The scene reads as Jon just wanting to tell her the truth cause it's Jon and he hates to lie and has horrible timing. He also reads as trying to be very gentle about it. Dany is clearly freaked out but no more than Jon was and is. Jon also comes off as hurt while doing it. Which for obvious reasons he should be, Sam dropped a rather large bomb on him and Jon is very distant and introspective from that point on. Dany like Jon is upset and while I use Dany out of habbit, Jon was actually using it as a form of endearment. He clearly knows this is upsetting and he is trying to calm her down but only has about 5 seconds to do it because they want the tension to last till later in the season before it's resolved. No different than Arya/Sansa season 7. The use of Dany does not read as a reversal or as an insult which is why it's an odd choice he is clearly trying to be gentle and knows he has upset her. The scene is based off tension and conflict both inner and outer. She basiclly has no idea what is going on because she has been getting dumped on since she got to Winterfell. The assumption of Jon trying to reverse anything doesn't seem to fit Jon at all. The show may want you to think this and they are not subtle about it. Sam says it, Dany says it, Jon tells you who he is, so obviously we know he has a claim to the throne. He shows zero signs that he wants it though. He doesn't even want to be king in the north. He says what he thinks of titles in the episode. Now if they're want to reverse it cause fans hate the fact that she doesn't like being called Dany and they want to pretend it didn't happen I am fine with that. I can't see it as Jon trying to pull a 180 with the subtle use of Dany.
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Post by belle on Apr 26, 2019 11:59:31 GMT -5
This new release song from the GOT album is 100% about Jaime and Cersei
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 26, 2019 14:14:57 GMT -5
This may likely not be true, but I'm absolutely in love with this theory and some of the people's comments for it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bheg5o/spoilers_the_night_kings_secret_in_the_winterfell/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 14:19:09 GMT -5
This may likely not be true, but I'm absolutely in love with this theory and some of the people's comments for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bheg5o/spoilers_the_night_kings_secret_in_the_winterfell/ I just read the tl;dr version but my god I hope this doesn't happen
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 26, 2019 14:25:38 GMT -5
This may likely not be true, but I'm absolutely in love with this theory and some of the people's comments for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bheg5o/spoilers_the_night_kings_secret_in_the_winterfell/ I just read the tl;dr version but my god I hope this doesn't happen I don't want it to happen either, but I'm not surprised if they gonna go for this route considering the overall theme in the season lol.
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Post by belle on Apr 26, 2019 14:38:31 GMT -5
My eyes just glazed over when I saw something about the night queen on that Reddit link
Lol not gonna happen
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 26, 2019 18:38:46 GMT -5
This may likely not be true, but I'm absolutely in love with this theory and some of the people's comments for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bheg5o/spoilers_the_night_kings_secret_in_the_winterfell/ This is almost as bad as the Amethyst Empress bullshit people write about
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 26, 2019 22:57:23 GMT -5
This may likely not be true, but I'm absolutely in love with this theory and some of the people's comments for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bheg5o/spoilers_the_night_kings_secret_in_the_winterfell/ This is almost as bad as the Amethyst Empress bullshit people write about They could of at least made it he wants to turn Cersei or Dany into the NQ. NQ Cersei? Goosebumps. And at least we would know who was going to kill the NK. Cersei is the one ring and she does not share power with anyone.
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Post by nikma on Apr 27, 2019 6:54:45 GMT -5
I think NK will die in E5. Miguel said E3-5 are like one big story.
It could be that Cersei dies in E6. D&D left that scene for themselves. Or the last episode will be only epilogue. But I think 80 minutes of epilogue will be too much.
We already had first 2 episodes where "nothing happens".
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Post by Envie on Apr 27, 2019 8:25:22 GMT -5
I think NK will die in E5. Miguel said E3-5 are like one big story. Now that we have that little tidbit of clue from Sapochnik, I think I agree - The Night King's 'story' will probably play out until ep. 5, with ep 6 being the aftermath/epilogue. I don't think it will be the entire episode of just talking. There's a good chance Cersei is the final act, like the scouring of the shire, things have to be cleaned up and dealt with post-war so that people can rebuild. I would very much like to see at least 10 minutes dedicated to the survivors and how they end their own stories such as Sam and Gilly returning to Horn Hill as Lord and Lady, Gendry (and Arya?) to Storm's End ... etc. I know this is a lot to hope for in an ending, but if we're going to lose one or more of the main characters - please at least give me a little hope at the end. That would be bittersweet!
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