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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 4:54:51 GMT -5
Now we just have to wait for Sansa to mount Drogon fly to KL and kill Cersei and become Queen. Arya will be Queen in the North Ice and Sansa with her red hair will be queen in the south fire, cause D&D are sure this is where Martin was headed.
But wait plot twist, Arya kills Cersei she's right behind her. Surprise oh so clever. Why have depth when you can... Plot twist, but oh shit Cersei just got back up she is undead. The NK uses his second life ability. But plot twist, so does Bran and now we have the 3 eyed NQ in a wheel chair doing nothing and adding nothing to the plot. She just looks at people and sings memories.
Wonder how much worse D&D can get? Would love to know where Dany or the north get an ar,y since everyone died except most of the main cast. Looks like she has maybe 100 troops left. Anyone know if Jon will be in the rest of the series doing anything important? Cause apperantly his parts been recast.
Sansa is still mad? What the fuck is wrong with her? Maybe next time your Stark ancestors could actually kill the NK instead of leaving the problem for everyone else to do along with protecting your brother. Sort of brother.
I got to be honest though going to battle after this is idiotic. The probably win but it will be a plot twist and probably a random last second one that teleports into play.
I would be surprised if Dany makes it. She probably dies taking the throne then Jon after killing 6 Wights and screaming at a Dragon teleports onto the throne where where, plot twist Arya kills him and Sansa becomes queen. They are so clever, I got to get some coffee, plot twist I got tea. Just kidding plot twist the cups empty. Genius.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 4:57:32 GMT -5
So it looks like there's a sequence where the dead are burned outside WF, not unlike the post-battle one in ep. 410. As for the rest, they've really done a helluva job keeping us in the dark as to how the latter part of the season plays out. They buried the lead with the promotion focusing on 803. Whatever they're hiding ought to be pretty interesting if it required this much distraction to get us off the scent. Pretty sure it will be a plot twist. Though I can 100% say without it being a spoiler that Tyrion will not lock Jaime and the northern refugees out of KL while the NK slaughters them. Or won't he?
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 29, 2019 7:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by Envie on Apr 29, 2019 8:04:16 GMT -5
They are so clever, I got to get some coffee, plot twist I got tea. Just kidding plot twist the cups empty. Genius. You know, I get it that you didn't like the Winterfell battle episode and you went into great detail in every post as to why and I'm willing to respect that even if I disagree. But, can you leave all the angst and dripping sarcasm and hyperbole in 803 and not carry it over into 804 speculations, maybe? It's just a bummer for those of us who do still love this show.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 10:30:14 GMT -5
They are so clever, I got to get some coffee, plot twist I got tea. Just kidding plot twist the cups empty. Genius. You know, I get it that you didn't like the Winterfell battle episode and you went into great detail in every post as to why and I'm willing to respect that even if I disagree. But, can you leave all the angst and dripping sarcasm and hyperbole in 803 and not carry it over into 804 speculations, maybe? It's just a bummer for those of us who do still love this show. Yeah sorry, I hit the gym real early for a few hours and cooled off some. Oh and I don't do angst. Anger, I do anger. D&D's commentary just really flipped the switch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:38:49 GMT -5
I find it curious that Jon in the promo is leaving Winterfell with Davos but not with Dany. Unlike when they arrived together as a team. There has to be more of their tension going on and on Dragonstone again they seem distant with each other. Dany all Queenly, hair up and fighting for the iron throne.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2019 10:55:47 GMT -5
I find it curious that Jon in the promo is leaving Winterfell with Davos but not with Dany. Unlike when they arrived together as a team. There has to be more of their tension going on and on Dragonstone again they seem distant with each other. Dany all Queenly, hair up and fighting for the iron throne. You notice in Dany's address to the Northerners, she's got Missandei and Varys there but no Jon or Sansa. There's also an ominous shot of Arya/Sansa/Jon where they don't look overly happy. I think the division has begun already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:19:32 GMT -5
I find it curious that Jon in the promo is leaving Winterfell with Davos but not with Dany. Unlike when they arrived together as a team. There has to be more of their tension going on and on Dragonstone again they seem distant with each other. Dany all Queenly, hair up and fighting for the iron throne. You notice in Dany's address to the Northerners, she's got Missandei and Varys there but no Jon or Sansa. There's also an ominous shot of Arya/Sansa/Jon where they don't look overly happy. I think the division has begun already. Good eye, although, I think that shot of Arya, Sansa, and Jon is when they're burning dead or perhaps overcoming a traumatic experience. I read something on twitter and tumblr after the episode, and it points towards this line of thought. If true. I just think things might go downhill very fast between Starks and Team Dany.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 11:30:55 GMT -5
I find it curious that Jon in the promo is leaving Winterfell with Davos but not with Dany. Unlike when they arrived together as a team. There has to be more of their tension going on and on Dragonstone again they seem distant with each other. Dany all Queenly, hair up and fighting for the iron throne. I don't think Jon, Sansa and Arya think its a good idea to go to war after that battle which exausted them and heavily depleted their forces and the north. I don't blame them feels like the setup for Dany to or Jon to die in episode 5. They are to weak and this will cost them. But it could also be them playing with the preview. I think Dany pushes Jon away and doesn't listen to him. Seems like a pretty big giveaway to show that much division after the battle. Dany did everything she could out there including saving Jon a couple of times. I would like to think that helps with poorly timed rift created at the end of episode 802. But it looks very much like they are on different pages and Dany only cares about power. Which is weird considering how hard they all fought for something bigger than themselves. It's kind of a shitty way to end things. I could totally see this killing one of them or even both. I wonder if we see Tyrion support Sansa and say going south is bad? That's why he loses his spot, or he could just be out of the shot slightly. But after the crypts Tyrion looks like he would do whatever Sansa wants. Kind of sad that Jon, Dany, Arya and the north will get no credit for the battle of the dawn in Westeros. That's pretty fucked up. Dany's ambition may lead to the deaths of a lot of characters. She may win but they will ask at what price if she does. Didn't ask about the price they all just paid including her but here it will matter.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 11:36:23 GMT -5
I find it curious that Jon in the promo is leaving Winterfell with Davos but not with Dany. Unlike when they arrived together as a team. There has to be more of their tension going on and on Dragonstone again they seem distant with each other. Dany all Queenly, hair up and fighting for the iron throne. You notice in Dany's address to the Northerners, she's got Missandei and Varys there but no Jon or Sansa. There's also an ominous shot of Arya/Sansa/Jon where they don't look overly happy. I think the division has begun already. Starks don't like going south especially after that. Feels like they are getting ready to vilify Dany on her quest for power. No more breaking the wheel. At least they want you to think that for another episode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:41:15 GMT -5
I find it curious that Jon in the promo is leaving Winterfell with Davos but not with Dany. Unlike when they arrived together as a team. There has to be more of their tension going on and on Dragonstone again they seem distant with each other. Dany all Queenly, hair up and fighting for the iron throne. I don't think Jon, Sansa and Arya think its a good idea to go to war after that battle which exausted them and heavily depleted their forces and the north. I don't blame them feels like the setup for Dany to or Jon to die in episode 5. They are to weak and this will cost them. But it could also be them playing with the preview. I think Dany pushes Jon away and doesn't listen to him. Seems like a pretty big giveaway to show that much division after the battle. Dany did everything she could out there including saving Jon a couple of times. I would like to think that helps with poorly timed rift created at the end of episode 802. But it looks very much like they are on different pages and Dany only cares about power. Which is weird considering how hard they all fought for something bigger than themselves. It's kind of a shitty way to end things. I could totally see this killing one of them or even both. I wonder if we see Tyrion support Sansa and say going south is bad? That's why he loses his spot, or he could just be out of the shot slightly. But after the crypts Tyrion looks like he would do whatever Sansa wants. Kind of sad that Jon, Dany, Arya and the north will get no credit for the battle of the dawn in Westeros. That's pretty fucked up. Dany's ambition may lead to the deaths of a lot of characters. She may win but they will ask at what price if she does. Didn't ask about the price they all just paid including her but here it will matter. I also read some stuff about Jon and Dany, disappointing I might add but who knows at this point. Not a thread to debate it as it might be spoilerish. Jon's claim, Dany thinking about the iron throne first and foremost during the reveal was telling. That is just, well not what I thought. Now that NK is gone, it'll come down to that and with Weiss and Benioff writing it, it could end with one or both dying. I sort of gave up on any happy ending for them as Thorne infamously said to Jon how he is basically cursed forever. I just have that bad feeling overall about these two, especially Jon. Furthermore after this episode. This tension might just keep on getting bigger and bigger to the point where no love is lost between the two sides and Jon might have to decide where he stands. This one is tough to call.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 12:02:55 GMT -5
I don't think Jon, Sansa and Arya think its a good idea to go to war after that battle which exausted them and heavily depleted their forces and the north. I don't blame them feels like the setup for Dany to or Jon to die in episode 5. They are to weak and this will cost them. But it could also be them playing with the preview. I think Dany pushes Jon away and doesn't listen to him. Seems like a pretty big giveaway to show that much division after the battle. Dany did everything she could out there including saving Jon a couple of times. I would like to think that helps with poorly timed rift created at the end of episode 802. But it looks very much like they are on different pages and Dany only cares about power. Which is weird considering how hard they all fought for something bigger than themselves. It's kind of a shitty way to end things. I could totally see this killing one of them or even both. I wonder if we see Tyrion support Sansa and say going south is bad? That's why he loses his spot, or he could just be out of the shot slightly. But after the crypts Tyrion looks like he would do whatever Sansa wants. Kind of sad that Jon, Dany, Arya and the north will get no credit for the battle of the dawn in Westeros. That's pretty fucked up. Dany's ambition may lead to the deaths of a lot of characters. She may win but they will ask at what price if she does. Didn't ask about the price they all just paid including her but here it will matter. I also read some stuff about Jon and Dany, disappointing I might add but who knows at this point. Not a thread to debate it as it might be spoilerish. Jon's claim, Dany thinking about the iron throne first and foremost during the reveal was telling. That is just, well not what I thought. Now that NK is gone, it'll come down to that and with Weiss and Benioff writing it, it could end with one or both dying. I sort of gave up on any happy ending for them as Thorne infamously said to Jon how he is basically cursed forever. I just have that bad feeling overall about these two, especially Jon. Furthermore after this episode. This tension might just keep on getting bigger and bigger to the point where no love is lost between the two sides and Jon might have to decide where he stands. This one is tough to call. Yeah agree and I don't feel like this is very bittersweet. Feels like a whole lot of bitter. There is no sweet in defeating Cersei if the price is to high. There is no sweet in beating the NK if all we are left with is division and power struggles. Starks hate going south to begin with, the scenario seems to make it a whole lot worse than normal. After that battle Dany and the Starks seem further apart than ever. It's almost unnatural. That's the kind of thing that should unite people. Still got hope though, Emilia basically said this was what would happen, and she loves to troll. So it was like yeah right. So here is to hoping she was trolling. Also pretty curious about Bronn now, you know he is going to take the shot. That will suck.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 29, 2019 13:56:35 GMT -5
Some eagle eyes pointed out Ghost definitely survived because he appears both in the final shots of 8x03 and the promo shot outside Winterfell of 8x04. I find it hilarious that fans (including me, I confess) bitched about the lack of Direwolves for years and then when we finally get ghost he is basically just wallpaper
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 14:29:33 GMT -5
Looking a little closer the dire looking Starks are outside and just preparing to light the Funeral pyre. The preview plays this shot off Cersei looking at all her troops.
Tryion is right next to Dany at the pyre. Strangly enough Ghost is just behind where she was standing.
They seem to have a celebration and the Northerners have embraced Dany.
Another shot people are saying is Dany in the crypts and looks like she is crying or sad while she is leaving. I wonder if the Starks paid Jorah that honor? That would be an amazing thing for them to do. Theon as well maybe. Those two can't be in the piles like Lyanna is.
Jon and Davos shot is a little weird, not cause Dany isn't in it but Gilly and Tormund are and nobody else, no troops nothing.
Sansa standing in one shot looks very sad. She may be viewing the aftermath for the first time or Jon leaving.
We see Euron propose to Cersei, and it looks like Cersei on his ship. Does she marry him? Yuck.
Maybe we don't have a rift, I mean they really like to play with these previews and they did that here. Rhaegal is still with Drogon although he is hurt, he's still flying. When Dany is with Drogon looking up she may be watching Rhaegal returning or maybe Jon returning on Rhaegal from doing something. She does look happy though.
I think we got some misdirection going on and on a closer look it's clearly some bait and switch.
One shot at the celebration that shows Dany with Varys and Missy, has a couple other shots and one has just Dany at the table and it's darker. The table may have been full earlier.
I think the Sansa rift may be over, after Sansa comes out of the crypts and see what they all just went through my break her heart and I think that's that look. Could be Jon and Dany leaving as well, and she clearly looks sad. Her watching the two dragons may be that as well, that's Jon and Dany leaving.
Well they Gave Sansa the win at the Battle of the bastards right? And Arya got the win against the NK. Maybe the Targaryens get there win down south. Dany got a new fleet as well.
I am going to stick with the lighter side here. That trailer is not what it first appears to be. Poor Cersei first Euron and now the Targaryens.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 29, 2019 14:41:31 GMT -5
I can't wait for Tyrion and Varys' stories to get going now.
Interesting that even with the mystical portion of the show gone, mystical characters seem concerned with events yet to come - Bran is pushing for Aegon Targaryen and Melisandre saw Varys' death in the fire.
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