Rate Episode 8x04

It seems the story will end much darker than many expected. This make me feel the way Ned Stark's fate felt in S1. I'm angry, but that's why I fall in love with this story. To torture me. Lol

10.

We all know Faulkner's quote that GRRM's loves so much. "The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself." This episode is a very good example for this. Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya, Varys, Tyrion, Jaime and Cersei. All of them made questionable decisions or are struggling with them. Each of those decisions has the potential to be an unfortunate catalyst for tragedy. I don't think it's as easy as saying "Oh character X is an asshole for doing Y." Imo that's a bit of a simplistic way of looking at this show. Ultimately, our favourite characters have generally good intentions, but their fatal flaws will be their downfall. It's not about "subverting expectations". This is a classical tragedy. The format is as old as it gets.

9.

Finally ready to vote - a 9. I hated so many things that happened in the episode, but thought the episode itself was pretty well done. Sometimes reality just sucks.

A well earned 2 and I could spend all day picking this piece of shit apart. 8 years wasted on this shit. It's over contrived and while the characters are not omnipotent they make choices as if they were.

Jon's speech while emotional is under mined by the fact that he doesn't really mean it and it's the conclusion to one of the largest build up in tv history that gave one of the worst payoffs. It's good tv if you can turn off your brain.

The acting was good.

The Starks have been transformed into the Lannisters. Just us, trust nobody, stay away from everyone, yeah, yeah, great they died for us, but fuck them.

Jon has no spine.

Varys jumps ship for a cock.

Tyrion listens to people plot treason and says nothing to Dany.

People want Jon to be king because of his cock, he's a war hero, and the Wildlings and North like him.

Sansa continues to hate Dany and plots against her, cause?
Sansa says she doesn't want Jon to go south, she works behind his back, lies to him, says her people don't do well in the south but then right after that moves to make him King which involves going south to fight Cersei.

Sansa knew Dany and Jon were in love and before she knew about Jon's heritage never thought hey marriage would solve my problem. The reason D&D know it won't happen so why would Sansa bother even if she doesn't know.

Dany sails south, well she flies and her fleet sails. The plot device called Euron shoots her der dragon. How did Dany not see his fleet? She was fucking flying. They act like he is hidden behind a rock, except line of sight is line of sight and he can't hit her without being seen. Plus she is fucking miles away. He knew exactly when she would be there, and destroys her fleet with guided Missles.

For some odd reason Jon hasn't left yet.

Oh and Arya leaves with the hound and nobody notices. To go kill Cersei, I am sure this won't work out.

Missy teleports into Cersei's hands.

Dany takes her 80 Unsullied to KL to ask Cersei to surrender and for Missy back. The castle which looks like shit, is lined with these Super scorpions, that can shoot miles away and thousands of feet up.

With Dany sitting well within range Cersei doesn't kill her. Cause why? You easily killed a Dragon with these things, she has no army, and she is the most ruthless person alive who gives two shits about anything other than what she wants. She blew up a Scept in the middle of KL, what the fuck was she waiting for? She had a free shot at Dany and her dragons and was like know we need more fake tension.

Over contrived, poorly thought out, subvert and plot twist.

Part of the biggest problem is D&D are jumping to their resolution and can't bother with plot it's just put the pieces in place, subvert, subvert, subvert, and have the characters act out of character cause they sort of know the ending already cause there writers do so they often ignore the obvious or information just falls in their laps, or people teleport. Common sense goes out the window. And they always try to over sell the tension, Battle for Winterfell, Dothraki dead in seconds, the army crushed in minutes, and an hour of the POV's somehow surviving when they are constantly surrounded by the undead. Episode 4, kill another dragon in the most meaningless death ever, and show Cersei with these rediculous scorpions, and massive army and Dany with 8 people and her dragon. Can Cersei kill her? Yeah she could killed her in seconds but she didn't for no reason. It doesn't feel tense cause you know Dany isn't dying there in that over contrived situation that only exists to show Cersei and oh my god this a reach being smug, gosh haven't seen that before.

Gosh Dany is angry and going to attack, as apposed to her being angry and attacking. I was really wondering before that if Dany would attack or just make nice with Cersei.

At this point if Dany wins at KL I hope she burns the Starks as well. It's not like they will be around long. Sansa will never trust anyone enough to marry them, Arya won't marry and Jon is a Targ, oh and Bran is a robot, so the last generation of Starks.

ok, really gave this one some thought and a re-watch.


+ Absolutely wonderful acting by all cast, not a badly done scene in the episode unless you count that weird one with Bronn, I guess.
+ Stomach wrenching twists and turns - very Game of Thrones political drama feeling
+ Lots of great dialogue and jokes between many of our favorites
+ Great film/camera work at the funeral, feast, travel, ship battle

- A few misses with explaining the storyline felt a tad rushed in places (offscreen or not discussed outcomes)
- rapid transition from the battleplan to traveling to confronting Cersei didn't feel right, again a bit rushed
- some writing bits I didn't agree with or like (Sansa, Bronn, Varys) - but these were not dealbreakers for me
- King's Landing wall background scenery wasn't very well done


Overall, I liked most of it even if I didn't agree with all of it. I love Daenerys, but I'm accepting the turn they're taking her on. This is her 'rock bottom' moment and she's losing friends, allies and the confidence of her advisors and Jon. It's just really a bummer.

I decided on an 8 because of a few bits I'm still struggling with to understand better and the filming choice mistakes that didn't work so well (like the KL wall scene).

8.

A good set-up episode for Dany going all dracarys on KL.

Jon left me without so much as a pat on the head!     Just hope we will be reunited in the KL afterlife to wander north of the wall once more.

i know I’m a couple days late but this is pretty much where I’m at right now.

I’m reluctant to say it was a bad episode, because honestly, it wasn’t poorly executed. It was a well made piece of television. Acting, directing, visuals, writing, I felt everything was solid.

But with the dark place this story is headed, it’s hard for me to reconcile plot developments I don’t like with well made TV. To be blunt, I don’t wanna see Dany lose her cool and do something terrible she’ll regret. I don’t want to see her advisors turn on her. I don’t want to see a character I’ve grown to love and sympathize with unfurl and head into a downward spiral.

But damn is it compelling to watch at the same time. Fuck!