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Post by iheartseverus on May 19, 2019 22:53:04 GMT -5
I think he should count himself lucky Jon never knew of their kinship. He'd have banged and killed Aemon in short order. I don't understand what this means.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:55:10 GMT -5
I'm going to focus on the positives: I've been Team Stark from day 1, so loved that all the remaining Starks are still alive somewhere in the world. Ghost. Jon has been my hero from the beginning too - it was always his perspective I looked forward to in the books and Kit was exactly what I imagined him as so while his ending was truly bittersweet, I am happy that his was the ONE character they didn't mess with - he stayed true to who he was until the very very end. In fact, Jon reminded me SO much of Ned Stark in this episode. The way he carried his body - the way he walked. The way he reluctantly stayed true to his "Queen" until he (like Ned) finally realized that what is right must win over honor. Kit will never get the respect he deserves as an actor - he was truly brilliant in these last two episodes. Sansa looked bad ass and finally got her crown. The Brienne/Book scene - omg, one of the very best. And Drogon not killing Jon - I read this scene as Drogon having the consciousness to know Dany met the end she was supposed to - and while he cried for his mother, he knew Jon was right. Maybe that's just me in my head seeing what I wanted to, but it made sense to me, especially with him burning the throne (which was awesome). Everything with Arya was perfect. I I got the impression Drogon blamed Dany's death on the IT itself and not Jon per se. Drogon clearly had enough of an understanding to realize what Dany did was wrong. She didn't kill for food, she killed because of power. Her desire for that power cost her her life. Drogon was a bit of a hero in that scene. Tyrion said dragon's were said to be more intelligent than humans. On this occasion, Drogon proved him right. He was the one who had more of a right than any to judge Jon, and he took out his anger on the IT instead. I didn’t see it like that at all. I figured since he didn’t actually see Jon kill her he assumed Jon found her like that. He knew Dany was extremely intimate with Jon and probably figured it couldn’t have been him. Also, Dany being all by herself was stupid. You have the worlds best guards and you’re paranoid about Jon and his claim and you just let him in by himself?
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Post by konradsmith on May 19, 2019 22:58:47 GMT -5
Though both were aping Riefenstahl tbh. Are you referring to this? Definitely the vibe I got from Dany's speech in front of her unsullied and Dothraki. The Triumph of the Will. A brilliantly-made and utterly evil movie. GoT first referenced it back in ep. 606 in Dany's end speech. Jack Bender said at the time, "it's not quite Hitler at Nuremburg but..." which should have been a major red flag but almost all of us, myself included, dismissed it as hyperbole on his part. But she reiterated in this scene what she'd said then. And the staging was very similar. And yes, Star Wars has used many visual cues from it. Never as obviously as in the Force Awakens but its basically the visual shorthand for sinister rallies in cinema.
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Post by Envie on May 19, 2019 23:00:28 GMT -5
So the Dothraki? Anybody? Also, I was a little annoyed Jon forgave Sansa so easily. And that Yara was ok with going back under the rule of KL king. Why was her independence not honored? Yeah, these two things are definitely some nitpicks! Did all those Dothraki just high-tail it outta Winterfell and not join the candle-lit charge? "Hey, quick, dodge to the left and put out your flaming swords... we're heading south!" The fact so many Dothraki and Unsullied survived Winterfell was definitely weird but just like non-aging babies, time-travel and distance... we're not supposed to count! The bit about Yara is a damn good point. Wtf. She only agreed to join team Targaryen if the Iron Islands got to be independent. I really felt like that was foreshadowing the kingdoms splitting up in the end. Nope, now it's the SIX kingdoms.
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Post by Singer of Death on May 19, 2019 23:00:55 GMT -5
I'm going to focus on the positives: I've been Team Stark from day 1, so loved that all the remaining Starks are still alive somewhere in the world. Ghost. Jon has been my hero from the beginning too - it was always his perspective I looked forward to in the books and Kit was exactly what I imagined him as so while his ending was truly bittersweet, I am happy that his was the ONE character they didn't mess with - he stayed true to who he was until the very very end. In fact, Jon reminded me SO much of Ned Stark in this episode. The way he carried his body - the way he walked. The way he reluctantly stayed true to his "Queen" until he (like Ned) finally realized that what is right must win over honor. Kit will never get the respect he deserves as an actor - he was truly brilliant in these last two episodes. Sansa looked bad ass and finally got her crown. The Brienne/Book scene - omg, one of the very best. And Drogon not killing Jon - I read this scene as Drogon having the consciousness to know Dany met the end she was supposed to - and while he cried for his mother, he knew Jon was right. Maybe that's just me in my head seeing what I wanted to, but it made sense to me, especially with him burning the throne (which was awesome). Everything with Arya was perfect. I I got the impression Drogon blamed Dany's death on the IT itself and not Jon per se. Drogon clearly had enough of an understanding to realize what Dany did was wrong. She didn't kill for food, she killed because of power. Her desire for that power cost her her life. Drogon was a bit of a hero in that scene. Tyrion said dragon's were said to be more intelligent than humans. On this occasion, Drogon proved him right. He was the one who had more of a right than any to judge Jon, and he took out his anger on the IT instead. When you put it that way, ironically it seems that Drogon went through some character development (and god I mean it). Drogon is said to be the most aggressive of all of his siblings. But in this season, we see Drogon being calm for most parts, especially with around Jon. I liked somebody take on this when he said that Drogon is an actual being with feelings and a future. He may not share Dany's goal in obtaining the IT and restoring the Targ dynasty. Maybe he has his own set of goals. Since his siblings died in the battle and his mother was killed by her lover, he has no one to look after him now that he's a grown dragon. With nobody to use him as a travelling vehicle or a nuclear weapon, he is free to roam the world.
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I got the impression Drogon blamed Dany's death on the IT itself and not Jon per se. Drogon clearly had enough of an understanding to realize what Dany did was wrong. She didn't kill for food, she killed because of power. Her desire for that power cost her her life. Drogon was a bit of a hero in that scene. Tyrion said dragon's were said to be more intelligent than humans. On this occasion, Drogon proved him right. He was the one who had more of a right than any to judge Jon, and he took out his anger on the IT instead. I didn’t see it like that at all. I figured since he didn’t actually see Jon kill her he assumed Jon found her like that. He knew Dany was extremely intimate with Jon and probably figured it couldn’t have been him. Also, Dany being all by herself was stupid. You have the worlds best guards and you’re paranoid about Jon and his claim and you just let him in by himself? Drogon knew Dany and Jon were there, she was then dead, the pool of blood. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that it was Jon who did that. Dragons are smart. Also, the better question is that Dothraki and Unsullied would kill Jon on the spot for that. They waited for a trial made up by people that are not their Queen and just okay sent him to the Wall. We saw what Northerners did to Jaime when he killed Rickard Karstark son.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 23:05:33 GMT -5
I didn’t see it like that at all. I figured since he didn’t actually see Jon kill her he assumed Jon found her like that. He knew Dany was extremely intimate with Jon and probably figured it couldn’t have been him. Also, Dany being all by herself was stupid. You have the worlds best guards and you’re paranoid about Jon and his claim and you just let him in by himself? Drogon knew Dany and Jon were there, she was then dead, the pool of blood. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that it was Jon who did that. Dragons are smart. Also, the better question is that Dothraki and Unsullied would kill Jon on the spot for that. They waited for a trial made up by people that are not their Queen and just okay sent him to the Wall. We saw what Northerners did to Jaime when he killed Rickard Karstark son. Dragon are smart except when they’re not on this show. Sometimes they even develop temporary blindness. Just ask Rhaegal.
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Post by day dreamer on May 19, 2019 23:05:55 GMT -5
I know I'm a broken record with this...but god this show did Meera dirty. She's the reason Bran survived beyond the wall and came back. She should've been at that council. It's ridiculous D&D didn't bring her back this season at all. And they cleared up the debate whether Bran could have sex, or need heirs. So you can’t even imagine Meera and him in your head canon. I kind of hate that they brought that up, it always struck me as a bit ableist considering there are plenty of paralyzed people who are still able to sire children.
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Post by Basil on May 19, 2019 23:06:11 GMT -5
I lowkey wish they had made Edmure king.
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Post by konradsmith on May 19, 2019 23:08:14 GMT -5
I lowkey wish they had made Edmure king. I'll go further. They should have.
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Post by sercreighton on May 19, 2019 23:08:17 GMT -5
I got the impression Drogon blamed Dany's death on the IT itself and not Jon per se. Drogon clearly had enough of an understanding to realize what Dany did was wrong. She didn't kill for food, she killed because of power. Her desire for that power cost her her life. Drogon was a bit of a hero in that scene. Tyrion said dragon's were said to be more intelligent than humans. On this occasion, Drogon proved him right. He was the one who had more of a right than any to judge Jon, and he took out his anger on the IT instead. I didn’t see it like that at all. I figured since he didn’t actually see Jon kill her he assumed Jon found her like that. He knew Dany was extremely intimate with Jon and probably figured it couldn’t have been him. Also, Dany being all by herself was stupid. You have the worlds best guards and you’re paranoid about Jon and his claim and you just let him in by himself? Drogon let him in. However what D&D did was attempt shift the blame from Jon to the throne in the scene. Drogon being a very existential dragon realized it was really the thr... I can't do it, I'm sorry I can't, it was so stupid.
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Post by konradsmith on May 19, 2019 23:10:20 GMT -5
I lowkey wish they had made Edmure king. I'll go further. They should have. Genuinely. The one with the balls to go for it first is the one that deserves it. Case closed.
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Post by day dreamer on May 19, 2019 23:11:29 GMT -5
I lowkey wish they had made Edmure king. Live footage of Robb and Catelyn in heaven when he started talking.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 23:15:18 GMT -5
Drogon knew Dany and Jon were there, she was then dead, the pool of blood. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that it was Jon who did that. Dragons are smart. Also, the better question is that Dothraki and Unsullied would kill Jon on the spot for that. They waited for a trial made up by people that are not their Queen and just okay sent him to the Wall. We saw what Northerners did to Jaime when he killed Rickard Karstark son. Dragon are smart except when they’re not on this show. Sometimes they even develop temporary blindness. Just ask Rhaegal. It was all about Euron and his stealth approach he learned during his travels. How I wish they used dragon's horn he has in the books and claim Rhaegal instead of killing him. But then again seeing cheesy pirate Euron on the top of dragon would give me nightmares. All he needed was eye patch and a bird on his shoulder.
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Post by day dreamer on May 19, 2019 23:15:20 GMT -5
Also that shot of dead Cersei threw Lena out of the running for Guest Actress at the Emmys. She's now credited in half the episodes.
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