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Post by moiaf on Jul 7, 2016 18:01:42 GMT -5
I should note that I like George as a storyteller, I think he's brilliant. But as a writer I don't think he's that great, he has brilliant moments but I find his prose difficult to read more times than not. But I like the story so much that i push through because I really want to know what's happening next.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 18:56:23 GMT -5
I should note that I like George as a storyteller, I think he's brilliant. But as a writer I don't think he's that great, he has brilliant moments but I find his prose difficult to read more times than not. But I like the story so much that i push through because I really want to know what's happening next. I only started reading after the show began, and I got through the first 3 books (technically 4 since Storm is 2 parts) relatively quickly; about one every 2 weeks I think. But then it took me months to get through both Feast and Dance because of all the unnecessary expositional travelling chapters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 4:20:03 GMT -5
I think the one I got through quickest was Feast, but that was because I had a couple of weeks off work so I was able to blitz it. Dance, however, took me several long months to get through.
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Post by King Tommen on Jul 11, 2016 18:51:23 GMT -5
I think he'll be able to get TWoW out within the next year and it will probably be pretty good (on par with ADwD with some more satisfying set pieces that have been set up by Feast and Dance). There are going to be 2 issues: the first being that most of the good reveals in TWoW will have already been done on the show so it won't arrive with the same impact and 2) He's still not going to have the story advanced to the point where ADoS can finish everything off.
He's more or less made it known that ADoS is going to be ridiculously long and if he has his way, he'll probably have to end up splitting up the book into 2, thus making it far more likely he never finishes the entire series.
The only thing that can change this is if he comes to the realization that he needs an editor with balls to step in and keep him on schedule and provide more structure to his overall writing by giving autonomy to make necessary cuts that serve the story. I find it highly unlikely this development occurs though. He'll end up doing it his way and we'll all be sitting here in 15 years with no end of the story published.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 11, 2016 19:12:20 GMT -5
I think he'll be able to get TWoW out within the next year and it will probably be pretty good (on par with ADwD with some more satisfying set pieces that have been set up by Feast and Dance). There are going to be 2 issues: the first being that most of the good reveals in TWoW will have already been done on the show so it won't arrive with the same impact and 2) He's still not going to have the story advanced to the point where ADoS can finish everything off. He's more or less made it known that ADoS is going to be ridiculously long and if he has his way, he'll probably have to end up splitting up the book into 2, thus making it far more likely he never finishes the entire series. The only thing that can change this is if he comes to the realization that he needs an editor with balls to step in and keep him on schedule and provide more structure to his overall writing by giving autonomy to make necessary cuts that serve the story. I find it highly unlikely this development occurs though. He'll end up doing it his way and we'll all be sitting here in 15 years with no end of the story published. And this is why I love the show because at least I'll get some kind of ending.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Jul 12, 2016 10:21:03 GMT -5
I feel as though Arya fleeing the Faceless Men after not killing Lady Crane is an interpretation of what will happen after the Mercy chapter. In the books I don think the Waif will chase her, but I don't think the Faceless Men will just let her go. But, point I was trying to make was that killing Raff will lead to her leaving the Faceless Men, just as Lady Crane did in the show
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Post by izzue on Jul 12, 2016 11:09:14 GMT -5
I feel as though Arya fleeing the Faceless Men after not killing Lady Crane is an interpretation of what will happen after the Mercy chapter. In the books I don think the Waif will chase her, but I don't think the Faceless Men will just let her go. But, point I was trying to make was that killing Raff will lead to her leaving the Faceless Men, just as Lady Crane did in the show I agree, and just how Arya will ultimately get away from them worries me. I suspect that's where Nymeria will be a huge factor, but that could play out in a number of different scenarios, too.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 13, 2016 22:00:36 GMT -5
I'm normally a pretty quick reader, but AFFC was a chore for me, good god. ADWD wasn't much better.
As far as Winds goes, Aeron's chapter was actually interesting. It made Euron seem like a bigger contender than I thought he would be. I am however, glad I won't have to read another Aeron chapter. (no way he survives)
Theon's is still my favorite of the published ones.
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Post by dariopatke on Jul 14, 2016 3:38:56 GMT -5
I feel as though Arya fleeing the Faceless Men after not killing Lady Crane is an interpretation of what will happen after the Mercy chapter. In the books I don think the Waif will chase her, but I don't think the Faceless Men will just let her go. But, point I was trying to make was that killing Raff will lead to her leaving the Faceless Men, just as Lady Crane did in the show I have a feeling that FM have someone big as target and he/she is on Arya's list. I think they wished to lead Arya to think that she "escaped" and now will finish her list. They of course know her list, that she left Needle and similar. There is only person on her list that is important enough to hire FM and that has many important enemies: Cersei. IB could have easily hired her to make things easier with Stannis. Maybe she was purposely sent to theatre to be reminded of herself and her list and maybe she will be lead to escape and ginish list when in fact she is doing their job. If this is not the case, why do they keep her after all fails?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 7:08:53 GMT -5
I think he'll be able to get TWoW out within the next year and it will probably be pretty good (on par with ADwD with some more satisfying set pieces that have been set up by Feast and Dance). There are going to be 2 issues: the first being that most of the good reveals in TWoW will have already been done on the show so it won't arrive with the same impact and 2) He's still not going to have the story advanced to the point where ADoS can finish everything off. He's more or less made it known that ADoS is going to be ridiculously long and if he has his way, he'll probably have to end up splitting up the book into 2, thus making it far more likely he never finishes the entire series. The only thing that can change this is if he comes to the realization that he needs an editor with balls to step in and keep him on schedule and provide more structure to his overall writing by giving autonomy to make necessary cuts that serve the story. I find it highly unlikely this development occurs though. He'll end up doing it his way and we'll all be sitting here in 15 years with no end of the story published. This was originally a trilogy. Part 1 for War of the Five Kings, Part 2 for Daenerys' arrival, and Part 3 for the conflict with the Others. Part 1 became three books, and because there wasn't time gap he had to write two other books. How does he hope to have both Dany's Conquest and WW attack in book 7? Unless Dany actually arrives at Westeros in TWoW, ADoS becoming two books is inevitable.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Jul 14, 2016 15:10:59 GMT -5
And while it did seem like Sansa had Harry in the chapter, I've still got a feeling that there needs to be some kind of tragedy happening to her. I have a feeling that Sansa will never marry Harry. In the books, she's still very married to Tyrion and even thinks there can be no wedding as long a her dwarf husband is still alive. The only way a marriage can be annulled is if the High Septon does it...well, currently he's not too flexible. Sansa is using her marriage to Tyrion as armor so she can't be sold into another political marriage she doesn't choose. She will choose her ultimate husband herself, if she lives. It may be that she chooses Tyrion. Also when Sansa meets Harry and he's so rude to her, she wishes that during the joust he falls on his head...well, Sansa has a pretty good track record in the wish dept. She wished that a hero would chop off Janos Slynt's head. She wishes that the Sept of Baelor burns (it hasn't yet, but we all know it is coming)So, I suspect that her wish for Harry to fall on his head, has a higher probability than normal. I have a feeling that her path in the Vale is going to be very different and nothing remotely like the show.
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 14, 2016 15:32:49 GMT -5
I think he'll be able to get TWoW out within the next year and it will probably be pretty good (on par with ADwD with some more satisfying set pieces that have been set up by Feast and Dance). There are going to be 2 issues: the first being that most of the good reveals in TWoW will have already been done on the show so it won't arrive with the same impact and 2) He's still not going to have the story advanced to the point where ADoS can finish everything off. He's more or less made it known that ADoS is going to be ridiculously long and if he has his way, he'll probably have to end up splitting up the book into 2, thus making it far more likely he never finishes the entire series. The only thing that can change this is if he comes to the realization that he needs an editor with balls to step in and keep him on schedule and provide more structure to his overall writing by giving autonomy to make necessary cuts that serve the story. I find it highly unlikely this development occurs though. He'll end up doing it his way and we'll all be sitting here in 15 years with no end of the story published. This was originally a trilogy. Part 1 for War of the Five Kings, Part 2 for Daenerys' arrival, and Part 3 for the conflict with the Others. Part 1 became three books, and because there wasn't time gap he had to write two other books. How does he hope to have both Dany's Conquest and WW attack in book 7? Unless Dany actually arrives at Westeros in TWoW, ADoS becoming two books is inevitable. I've only done the books once so pardon if I come off amateurish with my ASOIAF knowledge here (I am about 50% done ACOK so I'm progressing on my 2nd sweep). I don't think it's unfathomable to finish with two books over 3000 pages. The show has provided a pretty good blueprint for GRRM. I'm not sure why the end of TWOW couldn't mimic where things are in the show by the end of Season 6 (Starks reclaim WF, Daenerys sailing West and has alliance with Greyjoys, Dorne, Highgarden, Arya @westeros, Bran uncovering the WW/CoF purpose and some interesting flashbacks). I'm not saying all of that will happen, but the chess pieces are in place. We all see where the story is going: it's Westeros vs White Walkers/Others/Night King. Since many POV should be intersecting, he can kill off lesser POV characters like Arianne, Selmy, Jon C, Victarion, Areo in TWOW. Don't aim grenades at me, but Brienne, Sansa, Theon, Yara, Mel (after Jon resurrect) are pretty disposable in the books now IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 3:05:01 GMT -5
This was originally a trilogy. Part 1 for War of the Five Kings, Part 2 for Daenerys' arrival, and Part 3 for the conflict with the Others. Part 1 became three books, and because there wasn't time gap he had to write two other books. How does he hope to have both Dany's Conquest and WW attack in book 7? Unless Dany actually arrives at Westeros in TWoW, ADoS becoming two books is inevitable. I've only done the books once so pardon if I come off amateurish with my ASOIAF knowledge here (I am about 50% done ACOK so I'm progressing on my 2nd sweep). I don't think it's unfathomable to finish with two books over 3000 pages. The show has provided a pretty good blueprint for GRRM. I'm not sure why the end of TWOW couldn't mimic where things are in the show by the end of Season 6 (Starks reclaim WF, Daenerys sailing West and has alliance with Greyjoys, Dorne, Highgarden, Arya @westeros, Bran uncovering the WW/CoF purpose and some interesting flashbacks). I'm not saying all of that will happen, but the chess pieces are in place. We all see where the story is going: it's Westeros vs White Walkers/Others/Night King. Since many POV should be intersecting, he can kill off lesser POV characters like Arianne, Selmy, Jon C, Victarion, Areo in TWOW. Don't aim grenades at me, but Brienne, Sansa, Theon, Yara, Mel (after Jon resurrect) are pretty disposable in the books now IMO. I think TWoW will end with a similar note. Jon is King in the North, Bran has become the Three-Eyed Crow, LF and Sansa are in the North, Red Wedding 2.0 (bit more than old Walder's death), Dany having left Meereen with Tyrion as her Hand. The end will be the same. I think Stannis will die in different circumstances, as will Shireen, Roose & Ramsay, Rickon, and the Tyrells. Didn't D&D say that they came up with the idea for the Green Trial? Usually they have said that something is GRRM's doing (Shireen, Hodor, R+L=J). I'm not too sure about Snowbowl happening in the books either. But my point was that GRRM thought this was a trilogy. The first book became three (five) books. So if one book became three, how does he hope to have the original books 2 and 3 in one book, ADoS? And then there is Aegon. Fake or not, he has a part to play. I doubt the Martells are going to ally with Daenerys. Arianne is already travelling to meet Connington. TWoW will also probably be Cersei's downfall. fAegon's death depends on whether he faces Dany in TWoW or not. IMO Brienne, Barristan, Hotah, Aeron, Victarion, Theon/Asha (not both), and Cersei will die soon. JonCon and Arianne too, but that still depends on when Dany is leaving.
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Post by Diablotion on Jul 16, 2016 4:13:29 GMT -5
I've only done the books once so pardon if I come off amateurish with my ASOIAF knowledge here (I am about 50% done ACOK so I'm progressing on my 2nd sweep). I don't think it's unfathomable to finish with two books over 3000 pages. The show has provided a pretty good blueprint for GRRM. I'm not sure why the end of TWOW couldn't mimic where things are in the show by the end of Season 6 (Starks reclaim WF, Daenerys sailing West and has alliance with Greyjoys, Dorne, Highgarden, Arya @westeros, Bran uncovering the WW/CoF purpose and some interesting flashbacks). I'm not saying all of that will happen, but the chess pieces are in place. We all see where the story is going: it's Westeros vs White Walkers/Others/Night King. Since many POV should be intersecting, he can kill off lesser POV characters like Arianne, Selmy, Jon C, Victarion, Areo in TWOW. Don't aim grenades at me, but Brienne, Sansa, Theon, Yara, Mel (after Jon resurrect) are pretty disposable in the books now IMO. I think TWoW will end with a similar note. Jon is King in the North, Bran has become the Three-Eyed Crow, LF and Sansa are in the North, Red Wedding 2.0 (bit more than old Walder's death), Dany having left Meereen with Tyrion as her Hand. The end will be the same. I think Stannis will die in different circumstances, as will Shireen, Roose & Ramsay, Rickon, and the Tyrells. Didn't D&D say that they came up with the idea for the Green Trial? Usually they have said that something is GRRM's doing (Shireen, Hodor, R+L=J). I'm not too sure about Snowbowl happening in the books either. But my point was that GRRM thought this was a trilogy. The first book became three (five) books. So if one book became three, how does he hope to have the original books 2 and 3 in one book, ADoS? And then there is Aegon. Fake or not, he has a part to play. I doubt the Martells are going to ally with Daenerys. Arianne is already travelling to meet Connington. TWoW will also probably be Cersei's downfall. fAegon's death depends on whether he faces Dany in TWoW or not. IMO Brienne, Barristan, Hotah, Aeron, Victarion, Theon/Asha (not both), and Cersei will die soon. JonCon and Arianne too, but that still depends on when Dany is leaving. Stannis will win the battle outside of Winterfell, but he might fail to take Winterfell or perhaps he'll win against the Boltons but die in the aftermath. Maybe even against the White Walkers. Maybe the pink letter is accurate? Robb's letter will help Jon become KitN. I expect the Northern lords to be hesitant of him because he's an oathbreaker now. Sansa and Jon might have a bigger conflict in the books. Red Wedding 2.0 will involve LSH, BwB, Greatjon and other captives. Walder and most of his family and Devan Lannister are doomed. Blackfish will try to free Edmure and Jeyne Westerling.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 16, 2016 12:03:49 GMT -5
I think TWoW will end with a similar note. Jon is King in the North, Bran has become the Three-Eyed Crow, LF and Sansa are in the North, Red Wedding 2.0 (bit more than old Walder's death), Dany having left Meereen with Tyrion as her Hand. The end will be the same. I think Stannis will die in different circumstances, as will Shireen, Roose & Ramsay, Rickon, and the Tyrells. Didn't D&D say that they came up with the idea for the Green Trial? Usually they have said that something is GRRM's doing (Shireen, Hodor, R+L=J). I'm not too sure about Snowbowl happening in the books either. But my point was that GRRM thought this was a trilogy. The first book became three (five) books. So if one book became three, how does he hope to have the original books 2 and 3 in one book, ADoS? And then there is Aegon. Fake or not, he has a part to play. I doubt the Martells are going to ally with Daenerys. Arianne is already travelling to meet Connington. TWoW will also probably be Cersei's downfall. fAegon's death depends on whether he faces Dany in TWoW or not. IMO Brienne, Barristan, Hotah, Aeron, Victarion, Theon/Asha (not both), and Cersei will die soon. JonCon and Arianne too, but that still depends on when Dany is leaving. Stannis will win the battle outside of Winterfell, but he might fail to take Winterfell or perhaps he'll win against the Boltons but die in the aftermath. Maybe even against the White Walkers. Maybe the pink letter is accurate? Robb's letter will help Jon become KitN. I expect the Northern lords to be hesitant of him because he's an oathbreaker now. Sansa and Jon might have a bigger conflict in the books. Red Wedding 2.0 will involve LSH, BwB, Greatjon and other captives. Walder and most of his family and Devan Lannister are doomed. Blackfish will try to free Edmure and Jeyne Westerling. Maybe the Nights Watch gets a bit further with Jon and says his watch ended before he comes back? That might circumvent it a bit. I hope Sansa kills (or orders someone to kill) LF in the Vale before she can have a big conflict with Jon.
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