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Post by archanabrownwalker on Apr 19, 2017 0:51:57 GMT -5
Maybe you'd have a case if GRRM hasn't taken an eternity between books several times before. Yes but this time it is a different case. It would be far too convenient if TWOW gets announced just in time when the show has comprehensively surpassed WINDS. Also WINDS has already taken a lot longer than DANCE did. So the delay is unprecedented in that way. We have to no way to know for sure and GRRM will never tell us. But he is a professional after all and has to adjust his decisions according to requirements of doing business with a corporate entity like HBO. Look at this from the HBO perspective. It makes sense, doesn't it? Now everyone is on the same boat and HAS to wait for the new season to find out what happens. In contrast if WINDS had come out lets say in February, internet would have lit up with spoilers for the show. Leaks were not supposed to happen and even now they are nowhere near as prevalent as the books, so that's a different matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 1:17:01 GMT -5
It's not unprecedented. It was 6 years between Feast and Dance. But I'm not going to argue further. I think it's 100% on GRRM. If you don't we can agree to disagree.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Apr 19, 2017 2:45:01 GMT -5
It's not unprecedented. It was 6 years between Feast and Dance. But I'm not going to argue further. I think it's 100% on GRRM. If you don't we can agree to disagree. It was around five and a half years to be precise. It has been well over 6 years for TWOW and growing. I am not 100% that it is HBO but i think there is a strong possibility. For example, GRRM cannot work for any network other than HBO. He said so on NAB. So if HBO can put that on their agreements and negotiations, they can certainly influence this. We don't need to convince each other and it will not even matter once WINDS comes out hopefully later this year. We can certainly agree to disagree.
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Post by breakfest on Apr 19, 2017 4:38:06 GMT -5
He just hasn't finished yet, it's obvious from both Occam's razor and what he says on his own blog.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 19, 2017 8:25:28 GMT -5
GRRM is tweeting today outside his journal entries. This is an anomaly (and apparently not a hack job) it's building hype for some reason. Just like several times in the past with other speculations, he has dismissed the speculation that the recent posts on tweeter and elsewhere are building up to something, grrm.livejournal.com/533192.html?thread=26015432At this point, I have a feeling that HBO is preventing him from releasing TWOW prior to season 7. This is to prevent the readers from knowing what is going to happen. This was the problem from HBO's perspective in the initial seasons. A large section of the audience already knew what was going to happen and they were frequently and (usually) unwittingly spoiling the show for everyone else. GRRM is in negotiation with HBO over few other projects. As a result, HBO has leverage in this matter and so this looks plausible. If GRRM declares TWOW completion towards the end of the new season or around that time, that would confirm as far as I am concerned that it was indeed HBO delaying the TWOW release. In what you quoted, I didn't see where he dismissed speculation at all. Early this year, he claimed that he was hoping to have TWOW finished in 2017. He admitted, that he thought it would be finished in 2016 as well. He also said he wouldn't write another episode of GoT unless he was done with TWOW. Well a couple of months ago, they announced the Season 8 writers and GRRM was absent on that list unfortunately (still hoping he's heavily involved as Executive Producer). Some of the biggest spoilers in TWOW have already been revealed: 1) Jon's resurrection 2) Jon's heritage 3) Daenerys aftermath 4) Tyrion on team Daenerys 5) Stannis not being part of the end game 6) Shireen sacrifice 7) Bran's revelations 8) Mad Queen (I believe it may be a TWOW reveal) There are probably 100 others, but you get the gist. HBO would have no reason to hold back GRRM. I do think there is outside shot he'll finish by the end of the year, but it's more likely I expect another update on his blog 1-1-2018. He's not done.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Apr 19, 2017 12:15:03 GMT -5
In what you quoted, I didn't see where he dismissed speculation at all. His response on this matter was actually in the comments. I have restricted access on his NAB from my office network. So i could only point to the thread and not to the individual comment. Even to get to the thread, i have to go through a hidden proxy.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 19, 2017 14:14:22 GMT -5
In what you quoted, I didn't see where he dismissed speculation at all. His response on this matter was actually in the comments. I have restricted access on his NAB from my office network. So i could only point to the thread and not to the individual comment. Even to get to the thread, i have to go through a hidden proxy. Again not sure where he's dismissing anything there.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Apr 19, 2017 22:50:11 GMT -5
Again not sure where he's dismissing anything there. He is telling us not to take these posts on Twitter/Facebook seriously. It depends on whether you want substantive posts or silly pictures. So if you want any serious news or updates, stick to NAB. What this means to us is that these recent posts on FB and elsewhere are not building up to anything. To avoid disappointment, lets not get worked up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:35:49 GMT -5
Just like several times in the past with other speculations, he has dismissed the speculation that the recent posts on tweeter and elsewhere are building up to something, grrm.livejournal.com/533192.html?thread=26015432At this point, I have a feeling that HBO is preventing him from releasing TWOW prior to season 7. This is to prevent the readers from knowing what is going to happen. This was the problem from HBO's perspective in the initial seasons. A large section of the audience already knew what was going to happen and they were frequently and (usually) unwittingly spoiling the show for everyone else. GRRM is in negotiation with HBO over few other projects. As a result, HBO has leverage in this matter and so this looks plausible. If GRRM declares TWOW completion towards the end of the new season or around that time, that would confirm as far as I am concerned that it was indeed HBO delaying the TWOW release. In what you quoted, I didn't see where he dismissed speculation at all. Early this year, he claimed that he was hoping to have TWOW finished in 2017. He admitted, that he thought it would be finished in 2016 as well. He also said he wouldn't write another episode of GoT unless he was done with TWOW. Well a couple of months ago, they announced the Season 8 writers and GRRM was absent on that list unfortunately (still hoping he's heavily involved as Executive Producer). Some of the biggest spoilers in TWOW have already been revealed: 1) Jon's resurrection 2) Jon's heritage 3) Daenerys aftermath 4) Tyrion on team Daenerys 5) Stannis not being part of the end game 6) Shireen sacrifice 7) Bran's revelations 8) Mad Queen (I believe it may be a TWOW reveal) There are probably 100 others, but you get the gist. HBO would have no reason to hold back GRRM. I do think there is outside shot he'll finish by the end of the year, but it's more likely I expect another update on his blog 1-1-2018. He's not done. This is getting a bit ridiculous, though. He finished ADwD sometime in April, so it has been 6 years this month. I really, really hope you're wrong and that he will finish this year, but to be honest, I'm losing interest in waiting. When the books come out (if they come out), I'll read them, but at this stage I'm just ready for an ending. And the show is going to give me one. But seriously Every time he posts an update on TWoW, I always look for the positive e.g. before season 6 when he announced that he tried to deliver the manuscript so it could be published before the premiere, I took that as "he's almost finished. He will finish this year for sure". But it's been over a year since that and it isn't looking any more promising, so. Maybe next year
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Post by archanabrownwalker on May 10, 2017 3:19:55 GMT -5
He has not posted on his NAB for two weeks. There were a couple of posts since then but those were from his minions. Not a lot to go on and we have got ourselves into false hope a number of times on this matter. Even this time there is a 99.99% chance that he will soon post something about his Hugo musings or how his favorite football team underperformed in the last game etc etc.
But the heart wants what the heart wants. Hope floats till in sinks.
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Post by sercreighton on May 10, 2017 17:44:42 GMT -5
Read about that I notice they were quick to point out it's from material he had already written for his anthology and world book. Once again Targs are front and center. I look forward to reading it. Proof he can still finish something, maybe it will be one of the Spin offs.
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Post by moiaf on May 10, 2017 18:11:22 GMT -5
Read about that I notice they were quick to point out it's from material he had already written for his anthology and world book. Once again Targs are front and center. I look forward to reading it. Proof he can still finish something, maybe it will be one of the Spin offs. I always say, the Starks might have been GRRM's first love but it's the Targaryens who stole his heart.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 19:27:10 GMT -5
Read about that I notice they were quick to point out it's from material he had already written for his anthology and world book. Once again Targs are front and center. I look forward to reading it. Proof he can still finish something, maybe it will be one of the Spin offs. I always say, the Starks might have been GRRM's first love but it's the Targaryens who stole his heart. I look at it as the Starks are the "good guys" that everyone wants to root for, but the Targs and Lannisters are the more interesting characters. He's obsessed with writing about historical Targs, and a Lannister is his favorite character.
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Post by sercreighton on May 10, 2017 23:00:55 GMT -5
I always say, the Starks might have been GRRM's first love but it's the Targaryens who stole his heart. I look at it as the Starks are the "good guys" that everyone wants to root for, but the Targs and Lannisters are the more interesting characters. He's obsessed with writing about historical Targs, and a Lannister is his favorite character. I think the Starks share central to the story of course, but making them all kids probably made them a little tougher for him to write, while Tyrion is older and Dany does not play much like a teen. ThougH I wonder if they were ever really his first love.Jon was never a Stark as far back as the treatment, and Jon is super central t the overall plot. And Dany always had the special. I think his love for the Targs has grown but they were always central to the plot in particular Jon and Dany. He really seems to love their history which is actually loaded with clues about the main plot as well as just being that unique family. Good or bad they were the interesting ones. Funny how he wanted the story to be more grounded in reality and yet he is drawn to the magical powerhouse of the group, the most fantasy characters of the group. Lannisters are nice and complex just the way he likes them. You know what the Starks needed? They needed the bad kid, notice how he is drawn to the most rebellious of the group with Arya? Robb was way to cookie cutter, and while Jon is deliberatly the Ivanhoe of the bunch, Ivanhoe can get a little dull at times. Jon has a nice healthy pinch of Aemon the Dragon Knight in him, and Aemon was a good person and a legend. But Martin by his own admission prefers his Daemon Targarens, the demon. Not because he was evil, or even bad, but Daemon was a rebel, which is why Dany probably has that nice healthy edge to her. Not to say he does not love all his characters but loving a character and loving writing them is a different matter. Some flow, some can be tough and some can be easy but also a little dull for him. Tyrion has an extremely healthy edge to him, he is complex, charismatic, and he has that Darkness to him. You never know he could be a great hero or an amazing villain just depends on your perspective. Arya has the Dark edge to her as well, and if you catch Dany on a bad day you are liable to see how nasty she can get if push comes to shove (Astapor), the wise Masters etc... They may have it coming but man she will deliver the pain if pushed to far.
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