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Post by Envie on Oct 11, 2016 20:22:43 GMT -5
D&D already confirmed Jon will face challenges being King. "Selfish and manipulative individuals, men & women..." Jon is not good at seeing danger when it comes to the people around him. I don't think he will have a single more supportive person in his corner than Arya. A human lie detector. I can't imagine what this "high stakes scene" could be about. But it tickles me that LF is in the same room as Arya Stark. I wonder if he remembers her serving him wine at Harrenhal? It feels like a life time ago. Oh I loooove this bit, brilliant! Arya has learned a ton about reading people and knowing where to look for reality vs. illusion. She will definitely be invaluable to Jon as will Bran and all he has learned.
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I think Arya has always been a wild card. I don't think people believe she's too mentally damaged, as much as they think that her storyline has been about apathy, nihilism, overcoming pain, losing identity etc. It could have gone either way and before S6 I was really not sure which way it would go. I would have been content with both outcomes tbh. I find her storyline to be one of the richest, thematically. It really interests me. The only thing that I've been hoping for is a smooth transition to whatever place Arya is going next. Unfortunately Arya's storyline was one of the few shortcomings in an otherwise brilliant Season Six. My fear now is that they don't explain Arya's changing motivations in a satisfying manner. That being said, I believe Konrad is right and we'll see how Sandor (and maybe Mel) will give her some new purpose and change her for good. Arya's reaction to Jon's death. Knowing her home is safe and free again. Sandor living - a miracle he said, and Arya can finally make sense of her feelings regarding Sandor. She can let herself forgive him. Possibly finding Nymeria. All these things are deep emotional key stones d&d can touch on to bring Arya back. Finally, learning about the Others coming and the Long Night from both Mel and Thoros - Arya's new purpose? Surviving and protecting her family/home from the real enemy. D&D already confirmed Jon will face challenges being King. "Selfish and manipulative individuals, men & women..." Jon is not good at seeing danger when it comes to the people around him. I don't think he will have a single more supportive person in his corner than Arya. A human lie detector. I can't imagine what this "high stakes scene" could be about. But it tickles me that LF is in the same room as Arya Stark. I wonder if he remembers her serving him wine at Harrenhal? It feels like a life time ago. You've got some great ideas in regards to Arya. I think we can potentially look forward to some great dialogue between her and Sandor. The notion of Arya finally making sense of her feelings regarding Sandor is a brilliant thing. I hope they go there and that will be her main catalyst to decide to go back to her family. I think surviving the Long Night will be everyone's purpose - at least anyone who is still sane and alive after whatever human intrigue we'll get next. You are right, Arya served him wine in Harrenhal. And of course, both of them were around in KL during the events in Season 1. It could be interesting. Arya may play a role in his downfall. However, I hope that Sansa is the one to set LF's death into motion. Sansa is his only human weakness IMO.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 11, 2016 20:31:52 GMT -5
I'm picturing Arya as Captain of Jon's Kingsguard.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Oct 11, 2016 20:33:05 GMT -5
I'm picturing Arya as Captain of Jon's Kingsguard. And Davos as Jon's Hand.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 11, 2016 20:34:19 GMT -5
I'm picturing Arya as Captain of Jon's Kingsguard. And Davos as Jon's Hand. Yup. That would be expected.
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D&D already confirmed Jon will face challenges being King. "Selfish and manipulative individuals, men & women..." Jon is not good at seeing danger when it comes to the people around him. I don't think he will have a single more supportive person in his corner than Arya. A human lie detector. I can't imagine what this "high stakes scene" could be about. But it tickles me that LF is in the same room as Arya Stark. I wonder if he remembers her serving him wine at Harrenhal? It feels like a life time ago. Oh I loooove this bit, brilliant! Arya has learned a ton about reading people and knowing where to look for reality vs. illusion. She will definitely be invaluable to Jon as will Bran and all he has learned. Absolutely. I re-watched some of her previous seasons today. If Mel tells them about how Winterfell was taken back - the Vale army that LF brought over... Sandor knows about LF's involvement in Ned's arrest. If he tells Arya and LF is still alive up to this point - the scene they were filming on the day the pics were taken - I wonder why LF is still around? Perhaps Sansa intervened on his behalf? She is the only one that could.
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Arya's reaction to Jon's death. Knowing her home is safe and free again. Sandor living - a miracle he said, and Arya can finally make sense of her feelings regarding Sandor. She can let herself forgive him. Possibly finding Nymeria. All these things are deep emotional key stones d&d can touch on to bring Arya back. Finally, learning about the Others coming and the Long Night from both Mel and Thoros - Arya's new purpose? Surviving and protecting her family/home from the real enemy. D&D already confirmed Jon will face challenges being King. "Selfish and manipulative individuals, men & women..." Jon is not good at seeing danger when it comes to the people around him. I don't think he will have a single more supportive person in his corner than Arya. A human lie detector. I can't imagine what this "high stakes scene" could be about. But it tickles me that LF is in the same room as Arya Stark. I wonder if he remembers her serving him wine at Harrenhal? It feels like a life time ago. You've got some great ideas in regards to Arya. I think we can potentially look forward to some great dialogue between her and Sandor. The notion of Arya finally making sense of her feelings regarding Sandor is a brilliant thing. I hope they go there and that will be her main catalyst to decide to go back to her family. I think surviving the Long Night will be everyone's purpose - at least anyone who is still sane and alive after whatever human intrigue we'll get next. You are right, Arya served him wine in Harrenhal. And of course, both of them were around in KL during the events in Season 1. It could be interesting. Arya may play a role in his downfall. However, I hope that Sansa is the one to set LF's death into motion. Sansa is his only human weakness IMO. Yes, Arya has no clue about The Others and this would be the first time she will be seeing a threat bigger than the Lannisters or Freys...etc. It's kind if a big Aha! moment for our girl. 😎 LF's fall is as guaranteed as Cersei's. lol Its just a matter of when and how. Underneath his smarmy grin he is a monster. He is most dangerous when he gets desperate and I fear for anyone close to him who underestimates him for 1 second. It was a mistake to let him live. His plague on House Stark is not over yet.
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I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ). The possibility that Arya may go North and reuniting with Jon, Sansa, and Bran has me grinning ear to ear. But if such a reunion is indeed the works, I'll be very curious to learn if it's an early-season or late-season prospect. As badly as I want Arya to follow through on her pledge to go "home" to Winterfell, I had pretty much resigned myself to the idea that she was going to head south from the Twins, if only because the potential stories that she could get involved with in that part of the country were easier to visualize. 1. Arya has history with the Brotherhood, the Hound, and Brienne, who are all currently in the Riverlands - although to be fair, all of them are heading north (it seems to have been confirmed that Brienne makes it there). Melisandre is also heading south after her banishment. Her prediction that she and Arya will meet again seems fated to come to pass. Arya could theoretically bounce off any or all of them for an episode or two. 2. The remaining names on her list (Cersei and the Mountain) are in King Landing. 3. There's also the potential wildcard of Gendry to consider. Despite all the "still rowing" jokes, I'd always assumed he had made it back to King's Landing like Davos suggested. His past connection with Arya seemed like a natural angle to draw him back into the story. But almost all of the surviving characters with whom he has history - Davos, Melisandre, the Brotherhood - are now in the vicinity of the North or heading there. I suppose that he could get drawn into the Cersei/Dany conflict as the last son of Robert Baratheon, but that seems less likely to me. It's a relatively straightforward endeavour to come up with several episodes worth of story for Arya in the south as she strives to cross the final names off her list, before she A) succeeds, B) fails, or C) crosses paths with someone (the Hound? Gendry?) who finally convinces her to let go of her quest for vengeance. But regardless, it seems narratively cleaner to draw that line of conflict to a close - by blood or by choice - before we get the emotional boon of Arya's long-awaited reunion with Jon, Sansa, and Bran. I don't need to see her try to take out Cersei or the Mountain - her delicious assassination of Walder Frey was certainly a satisfying enough to serve as the culmination of her long-running revenge plot, particularly if the Queen and her silent protector are fated to die some other way. But if she's not going to cross another name off her list, I do think we need a scene in which she makes peace with that idea and embraces a new purpose. It would be strange if she returned to Winterfell and never uttered those names again. I'm also a bit concerned that if Arya heads North immediately, she might take a backseat during the Jon/Sansa/Littlefinger conflict after the initial warmth of the reunion wears off. But now I think I'm drifting into idle musings borne of having so much time to speculate! There are certainly rich lines of conflict to open up for her in the North: her past interactions with Littlefinger, old tensions with Sansa, a reunion with Hound (which we're all eager to see, wherever and whenever it happens). And fortunately, Benioff and Weiss are better writers than I could ever hope to be. I trust whatever they have in mind!
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Post by katjushka on Oct 11, 2016 22:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Winter Rose on Oct 11, 2016 22:38:24 GMT -5
I'm a huge Stark fan and I will cry A LOT when they reunite. But I'm with breakfest on this. I hope the reunion happens later rather than sooner, because to me it doesn't make a lot of sense thematically in regards to Arya...? IMO she still needs to overcome her thirst to kill before she can reunite with her family. How can she go from killing Walder and wanting to kill Cersei, the Mountain and others to reuniting with her family? At this point I would have preferred an "Arya goes to KL to try to kill Cersei"-storyline, but D&D may surprise me (they usually do ). The possibility that Arya may go North and reuniting with Jon, Sansa, and Bran has me grinning ear to ear. But if such a reunion is indeed the works, I'll be very curious to learn if it's an early-season or late-season prospect. As badly as I want Arya to follow through on her pledge to go "home" to Winterfell, I had pretty much resigned myself to the idea that she was going to head south from the Twins, if only because the potential stories that she could get involved with in that part of the country were easier to visualize. 1. Arya has history with the Brotherhood, the Hound, and Brienne, who are all currently in the Riverlands - although to be fair, all of them are heading north (it seems to have been confirmed that Brienne makes it there). Melisandre is also heading south after her banishment. Her prediction that she and Arya will meet again seems fated to come to pass. Arya could theoretically bounce off any or all of them for an episode or two. 2. The remaining names on her list (Cersei and the Mountain) are in King Landing. 3. There's also the potential wildcard of Gendry to consider. Despite all the "still rowing" jokes, I'd always assumed he had made it back to King's Landing like Davos suggested. His past connection with Arya seemed like a natural angle to draw him back into the story. But almost all of the surviving characters with whom he has history - Davos, Melisandre, the Brotherhood - are now in the vicinity of the North or heading there. I suppose that he could get drawn into the Cersei/Dany conflict as the last son of Robert Baratheon, but that seems less likely to me. It's a relatively straightforward endeavour to come up with several episodes worth of story for Arya in the south as she strives to cross the final names off her list, before she A) succeeds, B) fails, or C) crosses paths with someone (the Hound? Gendry?) who finally convinces her to let go of her quest for vengeance. But regardless, it seems narratively cleaner to draw that line of conflict to a close - by blood or by choice - before we get the emotional boon of Arya's long-awaited reunion with Jon, Sansa, and Bran. I don't need to see her try to take out Cersei or the Mountain - her delicious assassination of Walder Frey was certainly a satisfying enough to serve as the culmination of her long-running revenge plot, particularly if the Queen and her silent protector are fated to die some other way. But if she's not going to cross another name off her list, I do think we need a scene in which she makes peace with that idea and embraces a new purpose. It would be strange if she returned to Winterfell and never uttered those names again. I'm also a bit concerned that if Arya heads North immediately, she might take a backseat during the Jon/Sansa/Littlefinger conflict after the initial warmth of the reunion wears off. But now I think I'm drifting into idle musings borne of having so much time to speculate! There are certainly rich lines of conflict to open up for her in the North: her past interactions with Littlefinger, old tensions with Sansa, a reunion with Hound (which we're all eager to see, wherever and whenever it happens). And fortunately, Benioff and Weiss are better writers than I could ever hope to be. I trust whatever they have in mind! *prays Nym shows up* 😍 Also there are rumors that Jaqen's actor will be back in S7. Perhaps he'll be drawn to Sam in Old Town or Euron or meet Arya again? Some of my observations... NK in the show was forcibly turned into a monster. In an interview after the s6 finale, D&D called the NK "Death". They wondered aloud, "What would Death say?" Neither answered. Dan just changed the subject to Arya killing Walder and how it was something they planned years in advanced. Hmm. Now recall how the NK behaves during big attacks? Mostly just stands watching from a safe distance until his army of dead have done all the damage. He sends his subordinates to take out major targets and they usually end up dead. The NK is a commander and observes his attacks. Arya has a role to play in the last phase of the story. We are beyond her book story but d&d didn't emphasis her strength being in complete darkness for nothing. That's what the Night King will bring - Darkness. The Long Night. GRRM's favourite line in the books? "Stick 'em with the pointy end." First said by Jon, often repeated by Arya. Arya's very name can mean a lot of things but ironically, "Aria" is a music related term which is very appropriate in a book series called "A song of Ice & Fire" with an author who said he was obsessed with songs. Arya's List goes to bolster a big picture theory on Arya's purpose. Is there power in her List, her prayer? She took the Hound off her List a few nights before she left him. And he lived. Jaqen H'ghar wears a dead man's face and is horrified when Arya names him. Was Jaqen afraid to die? Of course not. He tells her Jaqen is dead when he says goodbye to Arya with his new face. So what was he originally worried about when she named him? I recommend reading this beautifully worked out case on Arya's purpose in this story, just Google: Arya Stark Valkyrie First Reborn. Will she take a backseat in S7? Doubt it. An Aria (pronounced like Arya) = "a long, unaccompanied song for a solo voice.” I suspect Arya is fated to do something to influence the coming conflict. Syrio called her a sword and told her what to say to Death.
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The possibility that Arya may go North and reuniting with Jon, Sansa, and Bran has me grinning ear to ear. But if such a reunion is indeed the works, I'll be very curious to learn if it's an early-season or late-season prospect. As badly as I want Arya to follow through on her pledge to go "home" to Winterfell, I had pretty much resigned myself to the idea that she was going to head south from the Twins, if only because the potential stories that she could get involved with in that part of the country were easier to visualize. 1. Arya has history with the Brotherhood, the Hound, and Brienne, who are all currently in the Riverlands - although to be fair, all of them are heading north (it seems to have been confirmed that Brienne makes it there). Melisandre is also heading south after her banishment. Her prediction that she and Arya will meet again seems fated to come to pass. Arya could theoretically bounce off any or all of them for an episode or two. 2. The remaining names on her list (Cersei and the Mountain) are in King Landing. 3. There's also the potential wildcard of Gendry to consider. Despite all the "still rowing" jokes, I'd always assumed he had made it back to King's Landing like Davos suggested. His past connection with Arya seemed like a natural angle to draw him back into the story. But almost all of the surviving characters with whom he has history - Davos, Melisandre, the Brotherhood - are now in the vicinity of the North or heading there. I suppose that he could get drawn into the Cersei/Dany conflict as the last son of Robert Baratheon, but that seems less likely to me. It's a relatively straightforward endeavour to come up with several episodes worth of story for Arya in the south as she strives to cross the final names off her list, before she A) succeeds, B) fails, or C) crosses paths with someone (the Hound? Gendry?) who finally convinces her to let go of her quest for vengeance. But regardless, it seems narratively cleaner to draw that line of conflict to a close - by blood or by choice - before we get the emotional boon of Arya's long-awaited reunion with Jon, Sansa, and Bran. I don't need to see her try to take out Cersei or the Mountain - her delicious assassination of Walder Frey was certainly a satisfying enough to serve as the culmination of her long-running revenge plot, particularly if the Queen and her silent protector are fated to die some other way. But if she's not going to cross another name off her list, I do think we need a scene in which she makes peace with that idea and embraces a new purpose. It would be strange if she returned to Winterfell and never uttered those names again. I'm also a bit concerned that if Arya heads North immediately, she might take a backseat during the Jon/Sansa/Littlefinger conflict after the initial warmth of the reunion wears off. But now I think I'm drifting into idle musings borne of having so much time to speculate! There are certainly rich lines of conflict to open up for her in the North: her past interactions with Littlefinger, old tensions with Sansa, a reunion with Hound (which we're all eager to see, wherever and whenever it happens). And fortunately, Benioff and Weiss are better writers than I could ever hope to be. I trust whatever they have in mind! *prays Nym shows up* 😍 Also there are rumors that Jaqen's actor will be back in S7. Perhaps he'll be drawn to Sam in Old Town or Euron or meet Arya again? Some of my observations... NK in the show was forcibly turned into a monster. In an interview after the s6 finale, D&D called the NK "Death". They wondered aloud, "What would Death say?" Neither answered. Dan just changed the subject to Arya killing Walder and how it was something they planned years in advanced. Hmm. Now recall how the NK behaves during big attacks? Mostly just stands watching from a safe distance until his army of dead have done all the damage. He sends his subordinates to take out major targets and they usually end up dead. The NK is a commander and observes his attacks. Arya has a role to play in the last phase of the story. We are beyond her book story but d&d didn't emphasis her strength being in complete darkness for nothing. That's what the Night King will bring - Darkness. The Long Night. GRRM's favourite line in the books? "Stick 'em with the pointy end." First said by Jon, often repeated by Arya. Arya's very name can mean a lot of things but ironically, "Aria" is a music related term which is very appropriate in a book series called "A song of Ice & Fire" with an author who said he was obsessed with songs. Arya's List goes to bolster a big picture theory on Arya's purpose. Is there power in her List, her prayer? She took the Hound off her List a few nights before she left him. And he lived. Jaqen H'ghar wears a dead man's face and is horrified when Arya names him. Was Jaqen afraid to die? Of course not. He tells her Jaqen is dead when he says goodbye to Arya with his new face. So what was he originally worried about when she named him? I recommend reading this beautifully worked out case on Arya's purpose in this story, just Google: Arya Stark Valkyrie First Reborn. Will she take a backseat in S7? Doubt it. An Aria (pronounced like Arya) = "a long, unaccompanied song for a solo voice.” I suspect Arya is fated to do something to influence the coming conflict. Syrio called her a sword and told her what to say to Death. Arya killing the NK is a pretty good idea. Her training has to pay off somehow and that would be a pretty good way to do so. I've considered that possibility. Particularly if Sansa gives her sister LF's Valyrian steel dagger to do it with.
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*prays Nym shows up* 😍 Also there are rumors that Jaqen's actor will be back in S7. Perhaps he'll be drawn to Sam in Old Town or Euron or meet Arya again? Some of my observations... NK in the show was forcibly turned into a monster. In an interview after the s6 finale, D&D called the NK "Death". They wondered aloud, "What would Death say?" Neither answered. Dan just changed the subject to Arya killing Walder and how it was something they planned years in advanced. Hmm. Now recall how the NK behaves during big attacks? Mostly just stands watching from a safe distance until his army of dead have done all the damage. He sends his subordinates to take out major targets and they usually end up dead. The NK is a commander and observes his attacks. Arya has a role to play in the last phase of the story. We are beyond her book story but d&d didn't emphasis her strength being in complete darkness for nothing. That's what the Night King will bring - Darkness. The Long Night. GRRM's favourite line in the books? "Stick 'em with the pointy end." First said by Jon, often repeated by Arya. Arya's very name can mean a lot of things but ironically, "Aria" is a music related term which is very appropriate in a book series called "A song of Ice & Fire" with an author who said he was obsessed with songs. Arya's List goes to bolster a big picture theory on Arya's purpose. Is there power in her List, her prayer? She took the Hound off her List a few nights before she left him. And he lived. Jaqen H'ghar wears a dead man's face and is horrified when Arya names him. Was Jaqen afraid to die? Of course not. He tells her Jaqen is dead when he says goodbye to Arya with his new face. So what was he originally worried about when she named him? I recommend reading this beautifully worked out case on Arya's purpose in this story, just Google: Arya Stark Valkyrie First Reborn. Will she take a backseat in S7? Doubt it. An Aria (pronounced like Arya) = "a long, unaccompanied song for a solo voice.” I suspect Arya is fated to do something to influence the coming conflict. Syrio called her a sword and told her what to say to Death. Arya killing the NK is a pretty good idea. Her training has to pay off somehow and that would be a pretty good way to do so. I've considered that possibility. Particularly if Sansa gives her sister LF's Valyrian steel dagger to do it with. Indeed. And how ironic that Maisie yesterday joked about being great with a sword yet needing dragon glass or Valyrian steel to kill a WW with. 😋
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Post by konradsmith on Oct 11, 2016 22:59:57 GMT -5
Arya killing the NK is a pretty good idea. Her training has to pay off somehow and that would be a pretty good way to do so. I've considered that possibility. Particularly if Sansa gives her sister LF's Valyrian steel dagger to do it with. Indeed. And how ironic that Maisie yesterday joked about being great with a sword yet needing dragon glass or Valyrian steel to kill a WW with. 😋 Though I don't think she'd know about that plot point (if we're right) until she gets the s8 scripts. Would be a lucky guess on her part though.
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Post by Blue Winter Rose on Oct 11, 2016 23:17:19 GMT -5
Indeed. And how ironic that Maisie yesterday joked about being great with a sword yet needing dragon glass or Valyrian steel to kill a WW with. 😋 Though I don't think she'd know about that plot point (if we're right) until she gets the s8 scripts. Would be a lucky guess on her part though. Yes WW is s8 action for sure. But I'm sure the importance of dragon glass and Valyrian steel will be made abundantly clear in s7. Maisie knows how the season ends - which usually involves huge shocking endings for many characters. Who knows where Arya might be? Her future is such a mystery... d&d are free to do so much with her character. Side note: It's gonna be so weird seeing her interact with "normal" people again. She seemed so different with Lady Crane. A lot more free and dare I say - hopeful? She has dreams beyond just the constant struggle to survive. Can you imagine how she'll be when she is finally around people who actually love and care for her? Who knows, Sandor might even step in and save the wolf girl that didn't kill him when he begged for it. Things have a funny way of working out! I can imagine Sandor & Arya chuckling about it too.
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Post by Envie on Oct 12, 2016 6:34:51 GMT -5
Wow you guys are killing me with these Arya theories I'd never heard before! I LOVE the idea of Arya possessing that Valyrian Steel dagger of Littlefinger's but LF is not her kill. He's Sansa's much as Ramsay was hers to pay back. I can't think of a single character a Valyrian steel dagger would fit better than the trained assassin who slits throats though... wow. Just blown away by that idea! "Not Today" being her anti-death motto is the good (Syrio) side of Arya's training before she went down the darker path with Jaqen and the Faceless Men. I want her to return to the Syrio ways but be able to use her rogue/assassin skills too. She will be a valuable asset for sure.
Here's another thought I had this morning when I woke up ... Podrick needs to be knighted! That boy has earned his knighthood three times over by now both in serving Tyrion and Brienne. Do you all think Jon will knight him when Brienne and Pod return north? I am only guessing they go back north again in Season 7. Brienne has to tell Jon/Sansa that the Blackfish was killed and the Lannisters still hold Riverrun and presumedly the Twins. This information might motivate Jon to send forces south to get that area under control especially once they learn Walder and his sons are dead (via Arya).
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