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Post by moiaf on Oct 12, 2016 6:59:19 GMT -5
Wow you guys are killing me with these Arya theories I'd never heard before! I LOVE the idea of Arya possessing that Valyrian Steel dagger of Littlefinger's but LF is not her kill. He's Sansa's much as Ramsay was hers to pay back. I can't think of a single character a Valyrian steel dagger would fit better than the trained assassin who slits throats though... wow. Just blown away by that idea! "Not Today" being her anti-death motto is the good (Syrio) side of Arya's training before she went down the darker path with Jaqen and the Faceless Men. I want her to return to the Syrio ways but be able to use her rogue/assassin skills too. She will be a valuable asset for sure. Here's another thought I had this morning when I woke up ... Podrick needs to be knighted! That boy has earned his knighthood three times over by now both in serving Tyrion and Brienne. Do you all think Jon will knight him when Brienne and Pod return north? I am only guessing they go back north again in Season 7. Brienne has to tell Jon/Sansa that the Blackfish was killed and the Lannisters still hold Riverrun and presumedly the Twins. This information might motivate Jon to send forces south to get that area under control especially once they learn Walder and his sons are dead (via Arya). Knighhood in Westeros is part of the Seven (the Mormont's follow the Seven), that's why the North doesn't have many knights because most follow the Old Gods. I would think you would either have to be a knight or a king/queen who follows the Seven in order to knight someone. Ser Davos could probably do it though. ETA: I looked online and it said that the Momort follow the Old Gods but Jorah might have converted in order to get Knighted.
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Post by Envie on Oct 12, 2016 7:06:01 GMT -5
Wow you guys are killing me with these Arya theories I'd never heard before! I LOVE the idea of Arya possessing that Valyrian Steel dagger of Littlefinger's but LF is not her kill. He's Sansa's much as Ramsay was hers to pay back. I can't think of a single character a Valyrian steel dagger would fit better than the trained assassin who slits throats though... wow. Just blown away by that idea! "Not Today" being her anti-death motto is the good (Syrio) side of Arya's training before she went down the darker path with Jaqen and the Faceless Men. I want her to return to the Syrio ways but be able to use her rogue/assassin skills too. She will be a valuable asset for sure. Here's another thought I had this morning when I woke up ... Podrick needs to be knighted! That boy has earned his knighthood three times over by now both in serving Tyrion and Brienne. Do you all think Jon will knight him when Brienne and Pod return north? I am only guessing they go back north again in Season 7. Brienne has to tell Jon/Sansa that the Blackfish was killed and the Lannisters still hold Riverrun and presumedly the Twins. This information might motivate Jon to send forces south to get that area under control especially once they learn Walder and his sons are dead (via Arya). Knighhood in Westeros is part of the Seven (the Mormont's follow the Seven), that's why the North doesn't have many knights because most follow the Old Gods. I would think you would either have to be a knight or a king/queen who follows the Seven in order to knight someone. Ser Davos could probably do it though. Ah you're right, I'd forgotten about how knighthood works and that it's a religious thing as much as it's a king/noble appointed thing, thanks for the reminder. Jon following the old gods will probably make the south discredit his "king" status anyways just as they dismissed Robb - not that anyone north really cares or that it matters going forward just like they don't care he's a bastard. But he probably can't/won't knight Pod then I suppose so until the two teams are united and Tyrion can recommend it for Podrick ... who knows.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 12, 2016 7:20:32 GMT -5
Knighhood in Westeros is part of the Seven (the Mormont's follow the Seven), that's why the North doesn't have many knights because most follow the Old Gods. I would think you would either have to be a knight or a king/queen who follows the Seven in order to knight someone. Ser Davos could probably do it though. Ah you're right, I'd forgotten about how knighthood works and that it's a religious thing as much as it's a king/noble appointed thing, thanks for the reminder. Jon following the old gods will probably make the south discredit his "king" status anyways just as they dismissed Robb - not that anyone north really cares or that it matters going forward just like they don't care he's a bastard. But he probably can't/won't knight Pod then I suppose so until the two teams are united and Tyrion can recommend it for Podrick ... who knows. I want Dany to knight Brienne. It would have been better if Jaime had done it but he's had ample opportunities and never did. Dany is forward looking, she would totally do it. I don't know how forward looking Davos is, he might be able to do Pod and Brienne at the same time.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 12, 2016 8:33:47 GMT -5
Wow you guys are killing me with these Arya theories I'd never heard before! I LOVE the idea of Arya possessing that Valyrian Steel dagger of Littlefinger's but LF is not her kill. He's Sansa's much as Ramsay was hers to pay back. I can't think of a single character a Valyrian steel dagger would fit better than the trained assassin who slits throats though... wow. Just blown away by that idea! "Not Today" being her anti-death motto is the good (Syrio) side of Arya's training before she went down the darker path with Jaqen and the Faceless Men. I want her to return to the Syrio ways but be able to use her rogue/assassin skills too. She will be a valuable asset for sure. Here's another thought I had this morning when I woke up ... Podrick needs to be knighted! That boy has earned his knighthood three times over by now both in serving Tyrion and Brienne. Do you all think Jon will knight him when Brienne and Pod return north? I am only guessing they go back north again in Season 7. Brienne has to tell Jon/Sansa that the Blackfish was killed and the Lannisters still hold Riverrun and presumedly the Twins. This information might motivate Jon to send forces south to get that area under control especially once they learn Walder and his sons are dead (via Arya). Knighhood in Westeros is part of the Seven (the Mormont's follow the Seven), that's why the North doesn't have many knights because most follow the Old Gods. I would think you would either have to be a knight or a king/queen who follows the Seven in order to knight someone. Ser Davos could probably do it though. Jon might need people to split up so having an extra knight in the ranks might be helpful. Especially if they have to send people south. Jon can't spare Brienne as she has Oathkeeper. Sansa is probably going to have to give up her sworn sword because Jon needs Brienne more than Sansa does. When Arya turns up. Brienne's oath to Cat is complete. It will be her oath to Sansa now. She might have to swear an oath to Jon now. Brienne can't protect Sansa if she doesn't fight the Whitewalkers. So Pod being knighted makes some sense and Jon as you say can have Ser Davos do it. Does LF still have that dagger now? I can't remember. On a separate note, does anyone think that Sansa might get a bit jealous over Arya's relationship with Jon?
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Ah you're right, I'd forgotten about how knighthood works and that it's a religious thing as much as it's a king/noble appointed thing, thanks for the reminder. Jon following the old gods will probably make the south discredit his "king" status anyways just as they dismissed Robb - not that anyone north really cares or that it matters going forward just like they don't care he's a bastard. But he probably can't/won't knight Pod then I suppose so until the two teams are united and Tyrion can recommend it for Podrick ... who knows. I want Dany to knight Brienne. It would have been better if Jaime had done it but he's had ample opportunities and never did. Dany is forward looking, she would totally do it. I don't know how forward looking Davos is, he might be able to do Pod and Brienne at the same time. Dany being the one to knight Brienne would be a nice throwback to their ancestors (Dunk & Egg) too.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 12, 2016 8:40:07 GMT -5
I want Dany to knight Brienne. It would have been better if Jaime had done it but he's had ample opportunities and never did. Dany is forward looking, she would totally do it. I don't know how forward looking Davos is, he might be able to do Pod and Brienne at the same time. Dany being the one to knight Brienne would be a nice throwback to their ancestors (Dunk & Egg) too. I was thinking that too..
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Post by moiaf on Oct 12, 2016 8:42:10 GMT -5
Knighhood in Westeros is part of the Seven (the Mormont's follow the Seven), that's why the North doesn't have many knights because most follow the Old Gods. I would think you would either have to be a knight or a king/queen who follows the Seven in order to knight someone. Ser Davos could probably do it though. Jon might need people to split up so having an extra knight in the ranks might be helpful. Especially if they have to send people south. Jon can't spare Brienne as she has Oathkeeper. Sansa is probably going to have to give up her sworn sword because Jon needs Brienne more than Sansa does. When Arya turns up. Brienne's oath to Cat is complete. It will be her oath to Sansa now. She might have to swear an oath to Jon now. Brienne can't protect Sansa if she doesn't fight the Whitewalkers. So Pod being knighted makes some sense and Jon as you say can have Ser Davos do it. Does LF still have that dagger now? I can't remember. On a separate note, does anyone think that Sansa might get a bit jealous over Arya's relationship with Jon?Jon and Arya were the closest of all the siblings and she knows that, she really shouldn't be jealous in that respect. I can see her feeling left out though, if Jon and Arya go about their things and to include her or don't think to include her.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 12, 2016 9:12:36 GMT -5
Jon might need people to split up so having an extra knight in the ranks might be helpful. Especially if they have to send people south. Jon can't spare Brienne as she has Oathkeeper. Sansa is probably going to have to give up her sworn sword because Jon needs Brienne more than Sansa does. When Arya turns up. Brienne's oath to Cat is complete. It will be her oath to Sansa now. She might have to swear an oath to Jon now. Brienne can't protect Sansa if she doesn't fight the Whitewalkers. So Pod being knighted makes some sense and Jon as you say can have Ser Davos do it. Does LF still have that dagger now? I can't remember. On a separate note, does anyone think that Sansa might get a bit jealous over Arya's relationship with Jon?Jon and Arya were the closest of all the siblings and she knows that, she really shouldn't be jealous in that respect. I can see her feeling left out though, if Jon and Arya go about their things and to include her or don't think to include her. That's what I mean. Jon and Sansa have bonded due to only having each other during a time when they really needed someone. Her wellbeing has been his primary concern which a central part for her emotional recovery. Plus she was the one who gave him a kick up the backside. I can see Jon spending time with Arya and Sansa feeling left out and jealous of Arya in that way.
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Post by Envie on Oct 12, 2016 9:25:43 GMT -5
Jon and Arya were the closest of all the siblings and she knows that, she really shouldn't be jealous in that respect. I can see her feeling left out though, if Jon and Arya go about their things and to include her or don't think to include her. That's what I mean. Jon and Sansa have bonded due to only having each other during a time when they really needed someone. Her wellbeing has been his primary concern which a central part for her emotional recovery. Plus she was the one who gave him a kick up the backside. I can see Jon spending time with Arya and Sansa feeling left out and jealous of Arya in that way. I don't think that's going to be a thing. Everyone speculated whether Sansa would turn on Jon because of Littlefinger or because Jon was crowned KitN ... but really ... does any of that matter in the bigger picture anymore? Sansa is not the same petty little girl who went to King's Landing long ago and who turned on Arya to support a shithead prince she thought was her dream match. These sorts of drama don't advance the story in any way when the focus is now much wider and in a condense timeframe for Season 7 and 8. When the Starks unite, it will be as a stronger family. The children are now grown adults and all that's left. Each of them has experienced serious trauma and alienation. Each of them thought they were alone in the world for a long time. There will not be jealousy or petty emotional battles. The time for that has passed and the war ahead is all that will matter. I want nothing to do with this sort of drama in the show anymore. I'm done with it.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 12, 2016 10:13:39 GMT -5
That's what I mean. Jon and Sansa have bonded due to only having each other during a time when they really needed someone. Her wellbeing has been his primary concern which a central part for her emotional recovery. Plus she was the one who gave him a kick up the backside. I can see Jon spending time with Arya and Sansa feeling left out and jealous of Arya in that way. I don't think that's going to be a thing. Everyone speculated whether Sansa would turn on Jon because of Littlefinger or because Jon was crowned KitN ... but really ... does any of that matter in the bigger picture anymore? Sansa is not the same petty little girl who went to King's Landing long ago and who turned on Arya to support a shithead prince she thought was her dream match. These sorts of drama don't advance the story in any way when the focus is now much wider and in a condense timeframe for Season 7 and 8. When the Starks unite, it will be as a stronger family. The children are now grown adults and all that's left. Each of them has experienced serious trauma and alienation. Each of them thought they were alone in the world for a long time. There will not be jealousy or petty emotional battles. The time for that has passed and the war ahead is all that will matter. I want nothing to do with this sort of drama in the show anymore. I'm done with it. I hope you are right, at least when it comes to the Stark siblings. I do think there will be scheming involved from Littlefinger and he will use Sansa to try and accomplish whatever goals he has set for himself. let's not forget that although Sansa is wiser to what Littlefinger truly is she still has an attachment to him and I think that'll play a role next season. What the Stark reunion might do though is strengthen her family bonds (especially with Arya who she really needs to mend things with) and that will finally help Sansa break her attachment to Littlefinger and hopefully stab him in the fave like he deserves. It's hard breaking away from a twisted relationship because for a long time Littlefinger was the only one "Taking care" of her. We know he was serving his own interest but for the scared child that Sansa was, he was the only one she could see as trying to help her. After what happened with Ramsay she knows what he is but those emotional bonds are still there. She needs her family, her whole family to help her finally break away.
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Post by Envie on Oct 12, 2016 10:40:00 GMT -5
I don't think that's going to be a thing. Everyone speculated whether Sansa would turn on Jon because of Littlefinger or because Jon was crowned KitN ... but really ... does any of that matter in the bigger picture anymore? Sansa is not the same petty little girl who went to King's Landing long ago and who turned on Arya to support a shithead prince she thought was her dream match. These sorts of drama don't advance the story in any way when the focus is now much wider and in a condense timeframe for Season 7 and 8. When the Starks unite, it will be as a stronger family. The children are now grown adults and all that's left. Each of them has experienced serious trauma and alienation. Each of them thought they were alone in the world for a long time. There will not be jealousy or petty emotional battles. The time for that has passed and the war ahead is all that will matter. I want nothing to do with this sort of drama in the show anymore. I'm done with it. I hope you are right, at least when it comes to the Stark siblings. I do think there will be scheming involved from Littlefinger and he will use Sansa to try and accomplish whatever goals he has set for himself. let's not forget that although Sansa is wiser to what Littlefinger truly is she still has an attachment to him and I think that'll play a role next season. What the Stark reunion might do though is strengthen her family bonds (especially with Arya who she really needs to mend things with) and that will finally help Sansa break her attachment to Littlefinger and hopefully stab him in the fave like he deserves. It's hard breaking away from a twisted relationship because for a long time Littlefinger was the only one "Taking care" of her. We know he was serving his own interest but for the scared child that Sansa was, he was the only one she could see as trying to help her. After what happened with Ramsay she knows what he is but those emotional bonds are still there. She needs her family, her whole family to help her finally break away. Oh I think there's definitely more plot to be had with Littlefinger there, otherwise they wouldn't have left him there at the end of the season. I just don't see it resulting in petty in-fighting between the siblings. They've been through too much by now to fall prey to that and this isn't King's Landing where sniveling manipulators like Littlefinger can get a foothold (fingerhold? ) on power by political plays between rivals or even siblings the way he did as part of the small council. He's an outsider now and he's made a huge gamble backing Winterfell and bringing the Vale there... he admitted that to Sansa. It's really going to be up to her whether or not he has any power there and I'm looking forward to that plot. That, however, is not Sansa/Arya issues and those are the bits I'm thinking are done. They glossed completely over the fact Sansa didn't even tell Jon about the Vale beforehand and I know more than a few people were peeved about that ... as it could have saved a lot of lost lives there at the end of BotB. But hey, it's storytelling and they needed it to look dire and almost the end for our heroes, I get it!
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 12, 2016 15:54:28 GMT -5
Someone has blown up the pic of Gwen and there is a bit of interesting info on the sheet. pbs.twimg.com/media/Cult-PDWEAAZgJ6.jpg:largeIt is the Wolf Crew. Director Jeremy Podeswa Saturday 24th September episode (either) 701 or 704. Probably needs some extra zooming in to confirm. I think it says fixed cast on there. There's also an interesting bit that says The Big Tree.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 12, 2016 16:00:29 GMT -5
Someone has blown up the pic of Gwen and there is a bit of interesting info on the sheet. pbs.twimg.com/media/Cult-PDWEAAZgJ6.jpg:largeIt is the Wolf Crew. Director Jeremy Podeswa Saturday 24th September episode (either) 701 or 704. Probably needs some extra zooming in to confirm. I think it says fixed cast on there. There's also an interesting bit that says The Big Tree.The Big Theee!? Oh boy, this is getting so exciting. I think the internet might melt iwhen Dany, Jon and Tyrion get together.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 12, 2016 16:28:03 GMT -5
It was highly speculated that JP would be directing episodes 1 & 2, so this tallies up with that theory. Maybe the Big Tree is the name of an episode. Although I'm wondering if it is a godswood scene.
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