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Post by mandzipop on Oct 15, 2016 7:10:58 GMT -5
I'm starting to believe the leaks.
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 15, 2016 7:24:00 GMT -5
I'm starting to believe the leaks. But they're so ridiculous. And I refuse to believe the Wall falls during Jonrys sex. I refuse.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 15, 2016 7:53:12 GMT -5
I've been saying it a while, Sansa said no-one can protect me. Who's no-one? Arya.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 15, 2016 8:02:30 GMT -5
I'm starting to believe the leaks. But they're so ridiculous. And I refuse to believe the Wall falls during Jonrys sex. I refuse. The only thing which contradicts the leaks is that that sheet looks like it says episode 4. But there was discussion to suggest it might be episode 1. If it is episode 1, then every spoiler since has confirmed the leaks. Sue is usually quick off the mark to deny these type of spoiler/leaks and all she's said is to not post them on WotW.
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Post by Envie on Oct 15, 2016 8:06:09 GMT -5
But they're so ridiculous. And I refuse to believe the Wall falls during Jonrys sex. I refuse. The only thing which contradicts the leaks is that that sheet looks like it says episode 4. But there was discussion to suggest it might be episode 1. If it is episode 1, then every spoiler since has confirmed the leaks. Sue is usually quick off the mark to deny these type of spoiler/leaks and all she's said is to not post them on WotW. Which means she's doing damage control to keep hysteria in check. That's it. It also likely means she does not know if the leaks are legit or not so unless she gets some sort of inside scoop, she's insisting people keep it off their site. Think about it. How does this throwaway account on reddit get this much info (especially before filming has even really gotten underway)? The ENTIRE season mapped out from beginning to end and he goes on reddit to blurt it out in some random comments? He's not one of the 'known' sources of info like last season unless one of those redditors made a throwaway account to do so. That reddit account is new and not used for anything else. It's bogus. ETA: If you look through his random comments over the past week (hit the 'context' option for a specific remark), a lot of them have been deleted from the AOIAF subreddit, and some are still in the Freefolk. This is someone who is going around to various threads with his "plot" and injecting it in various places as part of the conversation as if it's nothing more than speculation. This isn't the way real leaks are presented and I think it's a case of someone making up a plot and trolling with it. www.reddit.com/user/awayforthelads
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 8:17:16 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that the 'leak' was right in places, but not because of any legitimate leak. Either one of us could construct a collection of 'leaks' for the entirety of season 7 and we would manage to get at least some of it right with educated guesses and luck. I know a lot of the stuff in that leak sounded ridiculous and awful, but I wouldn't give credence to the leaks as a whole just because parts of it are looking to be true.
The Jonerys part is completely made up, but Jonerys will still totally happen, in some form.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 15, 2016 8:25:16 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that the 'leak' was right in places, but not because of any legitimate leak. Either one of us could construct a collection of 'leaks' for the entirety of season 7 and we would manage to get at least some of it right with educated guesses and luck. I know a lot of the stuff in that leak sounded ridiculous and awful, but I wouldn't give credence to the leaks as a whole just because parts of it are looking to be true. The Jonerys part is completely made up, but Jonerys will still totally happen, in some form. It is that dragon pit scene that is convincing me. Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Jamie and Cersei. Nobody could have predicted that. It is totally random. The biggest issue I have with it is that it leave season 8 being too many battles. Unless the first half of the season is to concentrate on the Whitewalkers and the second half is to put either Jon or Dany (or both, but I'm not expecting them both to survive) on the Iron throne. The bits that seem too far out are the fact that Jon is called Aegon and that Jon and Dany will be bonking whilst the wall falls. It is way too cheesy.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 15, 2016 8:47:01 GMT -5
The only thing which contradicts the leaks is that that sheet looks like it says episode 4. But there was discussion to suggest it might be episode 1. If it is episode 1, then every spoiler since has confirmed the leaks. Sue is usually quick off the mark to deny these type of spoiler/leaks and all she's said is to not post them on WotW. Which means she's doing damage control to keep hysteria in check. That's it. It also likely means she does not know if the leaks are legit or not so unless she gets some sort of inside scoop, she's insisting people keep it off their site. Think about it. How does this throwaway account on reddit get this much info (especially before filming has even really gotten underway)? The ENTIRE season mapped out from beginning to end and he goes on reddit to blurt it out in some random comments? He's not one of the 'known' sources of info like last season unless one of those redditors made a throwaway account to do so. That reddit account is new and not used for anything else. It's bogus. ETA: If you look through his random comments over the past week (hit the 'context' option for a specific remark), a lot of them have been deleted from the AOIAF subreddit, and some are still in the Freefolk. This is someone who is going around to various threads with his "plot" and injecting it in various places as part of the conversation as if it's nothing more than speculation. This isn't the way real leaks are presented and I think it's a case of someone making up a plot and trolling with it. www.reddit.com/user/awayforthelads I went back to read a little more and I found this comment I think this guy is right in that the leaker might know something and is guessing around it. For example, the spoilers that we have been receiving showed us that Jon, Brienne, Davos, new girl and new boy and Arya and a few other people were filming a scene together in what appears to be episode 704. Which would dispel some of what the leaker was saying.
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Post by cami on Oct 15, 2016 8:54:37 GMT -5
Usually trolls go to common places and common theories we have seen time and time again on forums, subreddits etc... there are things on this leaks that come absolutely from nowhere and tell us about a season that nobody predicted (I don't think I've ever even saw the idea of Jon working with Daenerys and Cersei against the WW) I am not saying I blieve him, but it is true that he has put quite an effort in it. We can give him that.
Btw, last week I asked him about the Mormont's story lines and although everything he told me about Jorah could be from a fan-fic that myself wrote (it's just to perfect for the characters, he basically become friends with everyone) What made me wonder if there is some truth in what he says is that he said that little Lyannaa doesn't really play a big rol this season. With all the hype around that character I can see a troll being more inventive with the little Mormont story next season. Anyway, this is what he said about Jorah and Lyanna:
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Jorah gets his greyscale cured by Sam at Old Town. It's very painful - involves Sam cutting off each scale and putting some painful ointment on - he has to bite down on a leather bit to avoid screaming. He is very grateful to Sam, who obviously tells him that he was with his father when he died.
Jorah goes back to Dany after being cured, Dany is very emotional when he returns - he's her oldest friend and she's glad he has returned to her.
Then joins Jon in his mission to capture an Undead to prove they exist. He is impressed by Jon, who tries to give him Longclaw, but he insists that Jon keep it, stating that he wishes he had been more the son that his father deserved. They like each other a lot.
Little Lyanna appears in the first episode. She's a bit annoyed that Jon doesn't want to kill young Umber and little Lady Karstark after their fathers' betrayal. Instead he asks them to bend the knee, and Lyanna is irritated by this, but not overly.
Basically she doesn't have a big role this season, sadly.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 15, 2016 9:14:19 GMT -5
Usually trolls go to common places and common theories we have seen time and time again on forums, subreddits etc... there are things on this leaks that come absolutely from nowhere and tell us about a season that nobody predicted (I don't think I've ever even saw the idea of Jon working with Daenerys and Cersei against the WW) I am not saying I blieve him, but it is true that he has put quite an effort in it. We can give him that. Btw, last week I asked him about the Mormont's story lines and although everything he told me about Jorah could be from a fan-fic that myself wrote (it's just to perfect for the characters, he basically become friends with everyone) What made me wonder if there is some truth in what he says is that he said that little Lyannaa doesn't really play a big rol this season. With all the hype around that character I can see a troll being more inventive with the little Mormont story next season. Anyway, this is what he said about Jorah and Lyanna: Hey. Jorah gets his greyscale cured by Sam at Old Town. It's very painful - involves Sam cutting off each scale and putting some painful ointment on - he has to bite down on a leather bit to avoid screaming. He is very grateful to Sam, who obviously tells him that he was with his father when he died. Jorah goes back to Dany after being cured, Dany is very emotional when he returns - he's her oldest friend and she's glad he has returned to her. Then joins Jon in his mission to capture an Undead to prove they exist. He is impressed by Jon, who tries to give him Longclaw, but he insists that Jon keep it, stating that he wishes he had been more the son that his father deserved. They like each other a lot. Little Lyanna appears in the first episode. She's a bit annoyed that Jon doesn't want to kill young Umber and little Lady Karstark after their fathers' betrayal. Instead he asks them to bend the knee, and Lyanna is irritated by this, but not overly. Basically she doesn't have a big role this season, sadly. This is why I think the leaker might know something but is either purposely hiding it around bullshit or just making stuff up to supplement what he knows. Jorah going to Oldtown and having his greyscale cured, that was predictable. That Sam would cure him would be bullshit. How would Sam know how to do that? He could have read about it but that doesn't make him an expert. A more plausible guess is that Marwyn (if that's who they cast) knows how to cure Jorah and Sam helps. The Lyanna bit, I donno. But they are suppose to all have a high stakes scene together and there is no mention of that. Jon decided whether to execute girl and boy doesn't seem like high stakes. In that Jon wouldn't execute then unless said children had tried to kill him.
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Post by Envie on Oct 15, 2016 9:22:18 GMT -5
It really does not sound plausible to me at all that little Lyanna would be wanting Jon to execute the young Umber/Karstark kids at all. That just does not fit with the mature character we've been presented in her so far. She is wise beyond her years and puts the older men in their place with facts and accusations but she doesn't strike me as ruthless to the point of wanting to kill others even if their parents were traitors.
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Post by moiaf on Oct 15, 2016 9:32:03 GMT -5
It really does not sound plausible to me at all that little Lyanna would be wanting Jon to execute the young Umber/Karstark kids at all. That just does not fit with the mature character we've been presented in her so far. She is wise beyond her years and puts the older men in their place with facts and accusations but she doesn't strike me as ruthless to the point of wanting to kill others even if their parents were traitors. Yeah, that doesn't sound like the character we were introduced to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 9:55:00 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that the 'leak' was right in places, but not because of any legitimate leak. Either one of us could construct a collection of 'leaks' for the entirety of season 7 and we would manage to get at least some of it right with educated guesses and luck. I know a lot of the stuff in that leak sounded ridiculous and awful, but I wouldn't give credence to the leaks as a whole just because parts of it are looking to be true. The Jonerys part is completely made up, but Jonerys will still totally happen, in some form. It is that dragon pit scene that is convincing me. Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Jamie and Cersei. Nobody could have predicted that. It is totally random.The biggest issue I have with it is that it leave season 8 being too many battles. Unless the first half of the season is to concentrate on the Whitewalkers and the second half is to put either Jon or Dany (or both, but I'm not expecting them both to survive) on the Iron throne. The bits that seem too far out are the fact that Jon is called Aegon and that Jon and Dany will be bonking whilst the wall falls. It is way too cheesy. I think the reason why no one predicted that is because it's so ridiculous and stupid... If those leaks were true, S7 would probably be the worst season of them all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 11:05:06 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that the 'leak' was right in places, but not because of any legitimate leak. Either one of us could construct a collection of 'leaks' for the entirety of season 7 and we would manage to get at least some of it right with educated guesses and luck. I know a lot of the stuff in that leak sounded ridiculous and awful, but I wouldn't give credence to the leaks as a whole just because parts of it are looking to be true. The Jonerys part is completely made up, but Jonerys will still totally happen, in some form. It is that dragon pit scene that is convincing me. Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Jamie and Cersei. Nobody could have predicted that. It is totally random. The biggest issue I have with it is that it leave season 8 being too many battles. Unless the first half of the season is to concentrate on the Whitewalkers and the second half is to put either Jon or Dany (or both, but I'm not expecting them both to survive) on the Iron throne. The bits that seem too far out are the fact that Jon is called Aegon and that Jon and Dany will be bonking whilst the wall falls. It is way too cheesy. I mean, there are people in the fandom who think Dany will get killed by Euron in TWoW. There are people who think random and crazy stuff will happen, so again I wouldn't lend to much credence to the leaks due to stuff being too random to predict because a sect of the fandom probably believes it will happen. Or who knows, maybe that's just what they would like to happen? There are a million logical reasons to ignore this 'leak' as bullshit, but there really aren't many for believing it.
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Post by mandzipop on Oct 15, 2016 12:39:38 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/57cjh3/major_news_about_daenerys/d8t15nk The Doc has spoken about the leaks.
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