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Post by Lils on Jan 28, 2017 6:53:48 GMT -5
He's averaging around 5 years between each book, that's actually pretty impressive given everything he juggles along with it. GoT: 96, CoK: 98, ASoS: 2000, Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons were originally one book but were broken up into two parts, which he likely had to change several things with to make them their own stand alone: 2005, 2011 respectively. During this, he's got the novellas, the works that run off from the series itself (such as the History of Westeros books) as well as the concept of the show and its creation.
20 years from the start to now, but this is a seven book series with over 1000 pages per book and an expansive universe. He's doing pretty well considering.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 6:56:20 GMT -5
He's averaging around 5 years between each book, that's actually pretty impressive given everything he juggles along with it. GoT: 96, CoK: 98, ASoS: 2000, Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons were originally one book but were broken up into two parts, which he likely had to change several things with to make them their own stand alone: 2005, 2011 respectively. During this, he's got the novellas, the works that run off from the series itself (such as the History of Westeros books) as well as the concept of the show and its creation. 20 years from the start to now, but this is a seven book series with over 1000 pages per book and an expansive universe. He's doing pretty well considering.Agree to disagree. But like I said let's return the discussion back to S7 of the show.
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Post by Lils on Jan 28, 2017 6:57:25 GMT -5
He's averaging around 5 years between each book, that's actually pretty impressive given everything he juggles along with it. GoT: 96, CoK: 98, ASoS: 2000, Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons were originally one book but were broken up into two parts, which he likely had to change several things with to make them their own stand alone: 2005, 2011 respectively. During this, he's got the novellas, the works that run off from the series itself (such as the History of Westeros books) as well as the concept of the show and its creation. 20 years from the start to now, but this is a seven book series with over 1000 pages per book and an expansive universe. He's doing pretty well considering.Agree to disagree. But like I said let's return the discussion back to S7 of the show. Fair enough!
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Post by Diablotion on Jan 28, 2017 7:08:05 GMT -5
Nobody is saying he should be chained to his computer not having a life. That's a strawman. But to take 20+ years to finish a fantasy story is absolutely ridiculous. Funnily enough, most would agree his best work (ASoS) was "churned out quickly." And the books he's taken his sweet ass time with were much less well received. ASoS didn't have so much of horrible travel filler like AFFC and ADWD. Brienne's chapters didn't properly progress until the very end of ADWD. Bringing fAegon in this late seems soooo unnecessary for the long run.
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Post by Envie on Jan 28, 2017 8:36:41 GMT -5
Nobody is saying he should be chained to his computer not having a life. That's a strawman. But to take 20+ years to finish a fantasy story is absolutely ridiculous. Funnily enough, most would agree his best work (ASoS) was "churned out quickly." And the books he's taken his sweet ass time with were much less well received. I usually agree with you on most topics Nictarion. But this one, I respectfully disagree. *ahem* middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/01/25/how-long-did-it-take-to-create-middle-earth/This topic always incites an argument. We as his fans need to be a little more gracious I think. History is being created in an entire world. As someone in her mid 40's who first read 'Game of Thrones' when her eldest son was just two years old (and he's now a full grown man of 22) I have a very different perspective on how long is too long. Just trust me on that one.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 28, 2017 12:29:18 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there for people, not trying to get off season 7. Just a reminder since the site is focused more on the show and I guess sometimes we forget about the book section. I'm a big book fan and I forget about it all the time. There is a Winds of Winter section in the still reading section of the forum if anyone wants to discuss the books including winds, or perhaps just vent about it. So anyone who wants can pop in if they have something they want to say. I know there are other big fans of the books here so nobody is on an island. Popular threads tend to be convenient for almost anything to pop up on since everyone is generally posting there. But there are places to appropriately discuss just about anything. Book section tends to be a little less busy than other section these days, but it's there, it's lonely, it needs love too. housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/board/9/winds-winter
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jan 28, 2017 13:52:46 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there for people, not trying to get off season 7. Just a reminder since the site is focused more on the show and I guess sometimes we forget about the book section. I'm a big book fan and I forget about it all the time. There is a Winds of Winter section in the still reading section of the forum if anyone wants to discuss the books including winds, or perhaps just vent about it. So anyone who wants can pop in if they have something they want to say. I know there are other big fans of the books here so nobody is on an island. Popular threads tend to be convenient for almost anything to pop up on since everyone is generally posting there. But there are places to appropriately discuss just about anything. Book section tends to be a little less busy than other section these days, but it's there, it's lonely, it needs love too. housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/board/9/winds-winterOh, thanks. I tried to find better thread to post this in books section, but never thought to look into "still reading", cause well... there is almost nothing to read from Winds of Winter.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 28, 2017 14:06:40 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there for people, not trying to get off season 7. Just a reminder since the site is focused more on the show and I guess sometimes we forget about the book section. I'm a big book fan and I forget about it all the time. There is a Winds of Winter section in the still reading section of the forum if anyone wants to discuss the books including winds, or perhaps just vent about it. So anyone who wants can pop in if they have something they want to say. I know there are other big fans of the books here so nobody is on an island. Popular threads tend to be convenient for almost anything to pop up on since everyone is generally posting there. But there are places to appropriately discuss just about anything. Book section tends to be a little less busy than other section these days, but it's there, it's lonely, it needs love too. housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/board/9/winds-winterOh, thanks. I tried to find better thread to post this in books section, but never thought to look into "still reading", cause well... there is almost nothing to read from Winds of Winter. I know, like I said I forget about it. Just thought to throw it out there, because there is actually a section for it. Which I only found recently myself and was surprised at how empty it was. I don't believe in derailing threads unless I am the one derailing them. Then it's all good. I vented there myself recently. Or as some might say "Creighton just posted something, I am not sure what it is but it's a post and it makes my brain feel like this." You know who you are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 16:38:42 GMT -5
Nobody is saying he should be chained to his computer not having a life. That's a strawman. But to take 20+ years to finish a fantasy story is absolutely ridiculous. Funnily enough, most would agree his best work (ASoS) was "churned out quickly." And the books he's taken his sweet ass time with were much less well received. I usually agree with you on most topics Nictarion. But this one, I respectfully disagree. *ahem* middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/01/25/how-long-did-it-take-to-create-middle-earth/This topic always incites an argument. We as his fans need to be a little more gracious I think. History is being created in an entire world. As someone in her mid 40's who first read 'Game of Thrones' when her eldest son was just two years old (and he's now a full grown man of 22) I have a very different perspective on how long is too long. Just trust me on that one. JRRT released to whole thing to the public in one year though. They didn't have to wait 20+ years to find out what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 17:00:22 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there for people, not trying to get off season 7. Just a reminder since the site is focused more on the show and I guess sometimes we forget about the book section. I'm a big book fan and I forget about it all the time. There is a Winds of Winter section in the still reading section of the forum if anyone wants to discuss the books including winds, or perhaps just vent about it. So anyone who wants can pop in if they have something they want to say. I know there are other big fans of the books here so nobody is on an island. Popular threads tend to be convenient for almost anything to pop up on since everyone is generally posting there. But there are places to appropriately discuss just about anything. Book section tends to be a little less busy than other section these days, but it's there, it's lonely, it needs love too. housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/board/9/winds-winterLet me also make it clear that I'm a HUGE fan of GRRM. He's one of my favorite authors, and I love these books. I don't think he's above criticism though. I find it very hard to care about the books at this point tbh. Which is something that makes me sad. It would be different if we didn't have the show. But I don't know how anyone could be as excited about getting the ending from GRRM after the fact. I'll certainly still read them (if he ever finishes it), but I think he lost a huge opportunity not getting the books out during the height of GoT's success.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 28, 2017 20:05:01 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there for people, not trying to get off season 7. Just a reminder since the site is focused more on the show and I guess sometimes we forget about the book section. I'm a big book fan and I forget about it all the time. There is a Winds of Winter section in the still reading section of the forum if anyone wants to discuss the books including winds, or perhaps just vent about it. So anyone who wants can pop in if they have something they want to say. I know there are other big fans of the books here so nobody is on an island. Popular threads tend to be convenient for almost anything to pop up on since everyone is generally posting there. But there are places to appropriately discuss just about anything. Book section tends to be a little less busy than other section these days, but it's there, it's lonely, it needs love too. It always just cheers me up and puts a smile on my face. housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/board/9/winds-winterLet me also make it clear that I'm a HUGE fan of GRRM. He's one of my favorite authors, and I love these books. I don't think he's above criticism though. I find it very hard to care about the books at this point tbh. Which is something that makes me sad. It would be different if we didn't have the show. But I don't know how anyone could be as excited about getting the ending from GRRM after the fact. I'll certainly still read them (if he ever finishes it), but I think he lost a huge opportunity not getting the books out during the height of GoT's success. I know man, and you know where I stand on the books, I've vented about it before. When the show first started I hoped he would finish before it ended, but it became evident later he would not. Some of the venting I think he clearly brings on himself. If he is going to sit there and say over the last two years he is close and then we get nothing that's on him. Yeah he missed a huge opportunity. Here this will make you feel better, when I feel like Venting this reminds me... To get an axe while venting because it helps make the problem go away.
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Post by Envie on Jan 28, 2017 20:10:08 GMT -5
I usually agree with you on most topics Nictarion. But this one, I respectfully disagree. *ahem* middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/01/25/how-long-did-it-take-to-create-middle-earth/This topic always incites an argument. We as his fans need to be a little more gracious I think. History is being created in an entire world. As someone in her mid 40's who first read 'Game of Thrones' when her eldest son was just two years old (and he's now a full grown man of 22) I have a very different perspective on how long is too long. Just trust me on that one. JRRT released to whole thing to the public in one year though. They didn't have to wait 20+ years to find out what happened. Ok that's a fair enough point. But I for one am very glad GRRM didn't wait 30 or more years to release all of them at once or else we'd not have this amazing saga and show we have now to enjoy! We wouldn't even know it existed yet! I guess it's a case of glass half full or half empty.
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Post by sercreighton on Jan 28, 2017 21:32:34 GMT -5
JRRT released to whole thing to the public in one year though. They didn't have to wait 20+ years to find out what happened. Ok that's a fair enough point. But I for one am very glad GRRM didn't wait 30 or more years to release all of them at once or else we'd not have this amazing saga and show we have now to enjoy! We wouldn't even know it existed yet! I guess it's a case of glass half full or half empty. True but from what I can tell, he did wait almost 3 years before he started writing between Dance and Winds. His page count in early 2011 is no different in 2013, 200 Finished pages and 200 unedited. So you can essentially take 3 years off, and he has complained that he should not of stopped writing after Dance. I think he did most of his writing in the second half of 2013 through early 2015 and then he stopped again or in this case got stuck. He seemed to think he was going to finish in 2015, then again in 2016 and now in 2017. I don't think he has written much in the last two years, lots of editing maybe maybe rewrites. But he seems to be having a problem closing the deal. He does not write slow, he just doesn't write that often. Will call 2011 to 2013 2 1/2 years and 2015-2017 about a year and half. So you can chip off a good 4 years of not writing, so he really only spent about 2 years writing and is almost done but is stuck and this reminds me a lot of Crows. Crows was originally Dance, and Martin sat down for a year and wrote and wrote and wrote. He then stopped and tossed out everything and started over. The next manuscript took him 3 years to write, and was much larger than Swords. His publisher asked him to split the book which also took a year. So really they crows you got took about 3 years write. At the end of Crows he actually promised Dance would be out the following year, as much of the book was written already. Yet it would be nearly 6 years later that he finished and again he seemed to get stuck on finishing it. Because for 3-4 years he kept thinking he would be done that year, and was only months away from finishing. If Martin is close he will change his tune he will start telling readers how many pages of the manuscript are completed. He will say things like 1250 pages or 1400 pages and 5 chapters to go. When he does not do that, he is not as close as he claims. It was believed at the end of 2014 he had 900 manuscript pages.
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Post by Lils on Jan 28, 2017 22:45:01 GMT -5
I thought for a second that was Isaac Hempstead Wright. I was thinking "What's Bran doing with Wight hunt crew?"
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