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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 1:25:35 GMT -5
I actually expect to see the wight Hodor, that's why I have taken the freefolk post seriously for 2 minutes and didn't pay attention to other details (well I'm Italian and don't know Leicester, I assumed they were reporting from Belfast, sorry again). Hodor must be among the wights who will attack Winterfell imho, the whole wight army crossed the wall and he is one of them now. Somebody could spot him outside the walls during the siege, if nothing else. Don't you expect it @nictarion? Probably. GRRM/D&D are sadistic like that.
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Post by konradsmith on Dec 11, 2017 7:16:13 GMT -5
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Post by sercreighton on Dec 11, 2017 11:56:09 GMT -5
You are on to something sercreighton because the name of that son is "Torgon Greyiron". Torgon Greyiron = Theon Greyjoy. Aragorn/Aegon and Torgon/Theon. GRRM loves creating these parallels. Torgon's father dies, him and his brothers hope that they will be chosen as the king but Urrathon IV Goodbrother is chosen instead and kills Torgon's brothers, rules for 2 years and makes many enemies due to his cruelty. Torgon returns to Iron islands, organizes a revolt and Urrathon IV is killed. Yeah Martin loves his parallels. He left a long trail of breadcrumbs going back to kings as well. Theory went something like this. What is Euron up too? You got some early clues, Dragonbinder, Warlocks. Euron Returns, kings moot, Dragonbinder, Warlocks, blue lips. Vic, spots Rodrik Harlaw speaking to a Goodbrother. Rodrik while speaking with Asha recommends she reads Haereg's History of the Ironborn. Haereg's Histrory of the Ironborn recounts the only time in History a kings moot was overturned. Eventually we find out it was house Goodbrother that lost the Crown. House Goodbrothers sigil is identical to Eurons horn, Dragonbinder. Eventually We we find out the name Urrathon was the Badbrother who was overthrown. The name Urrathon appears only one other time in the books. In Qarth the home of the Warlocks in Clash of kings. Urrathon Night-Walker. What is in the house of Urrathon? The glass candles. Where is book Euron raiding and attacking? Oldtown. What's in Oldtown? Glass candles, which are tied to a main characters arc. Of course a lot of that is not in the show version. Which cuts a lot of the middle out of some stories. And you got the whole, Dragonbinder and Vic story, the depravity of Euron, Euron the Wanna be Targ (Much like book Cersei). Really wish they had skipped Dorne and just done the Iron born plot, Dorne by and large became a dead end, cutting it would of given them time to flush out the Iron born and maybe get us Vic.
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Post by sercreighton on Dec 11, 2017 11:59:02 GMT -5
I actually expect to see the wight Hodor, that's why I have taken the freefolk post seriously for 2 minutes and didn't pay attention to other details (well I'm Italian and don't know Leicester, I assumed they were reporting from Belfast, sorry again). Hodor must be among the wights who will attack Winterfell imho, the whole wight army crossed the wall and he is one of them now. Somebody could spot him outside the walls during the siege, if nothing else. Don't you expect it @nictarion ? Probably. GRRM/D&D are sadistic like that. So do they slowly burn Wight Hodor or maybe Jon has to kill him, or perhaps Bran has to kill him... Again.
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Post by sercreighton on Dec 12, 2017 19:44:01 GMT -5
The rock shouldn't be alien to Cersei she was their till she was 13. Maybe after she gets hitched to Euron she ends up on the Iron Islands. Though in this case it may speak of environments rather than actual physical places. So clearly Cersei ends up happy in a place where the world over and worships her and gives her everything she desires. She is clear headed, calm, peaceful, content, happy, blissful, she skips everywhere, and she sings to little birds and squirrels that land on her finger. It's gonna be a total shock and surprise to the audience. The last episode is a musical staring Cersei. Everyone ends up happy and friends and singing, it's only Alien enviroment I can think of for them, cause what else they gonna throw at them, hell Jon has already died, already been there done that. Or they're all Wights.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:17:11 GMT -5
Alien environments that they have never been placed before: The NK: Winterfell, KL. Dany: Winterfell/North Jon: Well, it can be iron islands or maybe even Essos ? I guess Jon riding a dragon confirmed. Or he will just be placed on the iron throne in the end. Arya: Beyond the wall? Or...actually she can sail to west in the end (possibly with Gendry, he got used to boats). Sansa: This, I can't tell. Unless heavens. Bran: Will he go to King's Landing? Maybe if Winterfell fell. Or his soul will be placed in the Big Tree in Winterfell. Or he will simply warg into a dragon. Unless he goes to the past or the future. He has a really exciting life. Jaime: Beyond the wall? Maybe but I don't know why people would go beyond the wall now, nobody is left there. Maybe he becomes the Lord Commander of Castle Black, or goes to Tarth with Brienne, he had looked at the island longingly. Or his ashes are carried there. If Cersei didn't burn the island. Cersei: It can be Casterly Rock, because although she has been there, we haven't seen her there before. Takes Gregor with her I guess, unless the NK became his new master. I don't think she would go to iron islands. If she goes to Casterly Rock, I think she will most likely fall from a tower or something like that though. She told Jaime once that she envied him when he dived from high towers in their childhood. Foreshadowing much? Jaime pushes her from a window and she finally dives. Bittersweet. Brienne: She has been everywhere in Westeros. Except Casterly Rock. A final showdown between Jaime, Cersei and Brienne is inevitable anyway. Sam: It's weird because John Bradley said this and I don't know what the alien environment is for Sam. Does he mean Winterfell? Jorah: He has been everywhere. So Winterfell? Theon: It seems like these people had interesting lives, they don't have to travel anymore. He can visit the Red Keep to rescue Yara. Bronn can go too if Tyene Sand is somehow alive because she was using that lipstick all the time and she got half-immune to it. Then Bronn gets the castle in Dorne. Yara: No idea. Sandor: Winterfell. Tormund: Battle in the Trident or KL? Kills something big, maybe the wight giant (Giantsbane!), and possibly perishes there. Briefly becomes a wight and is slayed by Brienne, bittersweet ending for him. Varys: Winterfell Melisandre: Essos (We'll see her there for the first time, right?) or KL. Both. Missandei/Grey Worm: WF Davos: Been everywhere. Goes to Essos with Missandei after Grey Worm dies and the war ends, I don't know why but they had a meaningless conversation. Tyrion: Nowhere left really. He can go to Casterly Rock too. Or Sansa's lap.
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Post by moiaf on Dec 13, 2017 11:51:45 GMT -5
The rock shouldn't be alien to Cersei she was their till she was 13. Maybe after she gets hitched to Euron she ends up on the Iron Islands. Though in this case it may speak of environments rather than actual physical places. So clearly Cersei ends up happy in a place where the world over and worships her and gives her everything she desires. She is clear headed, calm, peaceful, content, happy, blissful, she skips everywhere, and she sings to little birds and squirrels that land on her finger. It's gonna be a total shock and surprise to the audience. The last episode is a musical staring Cersei. Everyone ends up happy and friends and singing, it's only Alien enviroment I can think of for them, cause what else they gonna throw at them, hell Jon has already died, already been there done that. Or they're all Wights. The question is though, if she does go to the CR, does she die there or does she come back to KL and dies there (if she dies, which we all assume she will)? I still say King's Landing but I'm open to it happening in CR.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Dec 13, 2017 11:59:23 GMT -5
I always figured she would die in KL, but if not, the Rock seems like the next best choice.
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Post by moiaf on Dec 13, 2017 12:04:08 GMT -5
I always figured she would die in KL, but if not, the Rock seems like the next best choice. With her parallels with the Mad King, King's Landing would be the obvious choice. But there might be a twist we don't see and so the Rock would work, I suppose. Are we still thinking Jaime dies with Cersei, for those of us who think they both die in the end. I still think so but I can see a scenario where he dies soon after her.
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 13, 2017 16:29:36 GMT -5
In the novels I expected Cersei to flee back to Casterly Rock.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Dec 13, 2017 16:37:20 GMT -5
Are we still thinking Jaime dies with Cersei, for those of us who think they both die in the end. I still think so but I can see a scenario where he dies soon after her. I thought he would die with Cersei, but I'd say there's a good chance that he dies in Brienne's arms soon after Cersei is gone.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Dec 13, 2017 17:30:49 GMT -5
In the novels I expected Cersei to flee back to Casterly Rock. I agree. I don’t think this will happen on the show though, because I expect it as a reaction to Aegon taking KL. I also think she will die in KL (definitely on the show, not certain on the books). She has spent almost the entire show there, off the top of my head we only have the scenes right at the beginning when the Court is travelling back from Winterfell whe she is not in KL. She is very much the heart of the storylines there.
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