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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Jul 29, 2017 8:31:19 GMT -5
Rhaegar naming two of his sons Aegon just makes him an even bigger dick then he already was, IMO. Now I'm excited to hear about 704. Yeah, I have to confess I don't understand the "Aegon" thing. How would they have distinguished between the two of the them if the first child had lived? Thing 1 and Thing 2? I would even prefer Jaeharys to a second Aegon, but we all know the perfect name is Aemon. As to Episode 4, while I think the synopsis will be good, like BotB, it's going to have to be seen to grasp the entire thing. I mean, we have Jamie, Bronn, the Lannister army, and the Tarlys, with other possible lords and their troops against Dany, three dragons, and the Dothraki. It's Robert's worst nightmare come true and I can't wait to savor every minute.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jul 29, 2017 9:07:49 GMT -5
Daenerys getting so close to the IT and abandoning it is basically the HOTU vision. I believed there was some symbolism there, I did`t expect it to fucking telegraph her final moves. Wow. Which means that Mr Mopes-a-lot is the end game player and will sit on the IT. Talk about failing upwards. I don`t hate Jon, just his rabid stans and the thought of them crowing is turning me off to the whole series. I sound crazy and should probably step away from the computer lol. But Jeez this sucks. I understand how you feel, Jon Crazy Fangirls are insufferable to me as well and I really love Jon, however when they talk about Jon I have no idea who they are talking about, they view him so differently than I do. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I do not think Jon will sit the IT. It wouldn't be the first time a Targaryen refuse the IT and mostly I do not think him being legit means he will surely sit the IT, he became KitN as a bastard after all and Cersei sits the Throne at the moment with absolutely no hereditary reasons and Cersei's kids sat on the IT as bastards, ASOIAF showed us once and again how little being the legitimate heir means. Master Aemon refused the Throne. Of course I may be willing to see it this way as I really want Daenerys on that Throne, if there is still an IT in the end. As an aside I would have truly loved for Jon to be named Aemon. Thanks for understanding. You're right, show/book Jon and the character his stans describe are worlds apart, for some strange reason it has the effect of turning me off to Jon all the same, then I see an episode and I remember, oh yeah I love this guy! I too wish his name as Aemon it would it be sweet and poignant. In terms of the endgame; I always thought Daenerys as a game changer rather than a game player as she would be arriving with his massive force and dragons after winter hits and right before the WW invasion. But her dying in the end just makes her entire Mereen arc a waste-why learn to rule and go through the difficulty of ruling if you never will sit the IT? I am now resigned to Dany dying at the end, having her child with Jon rule is a nice consolation prize. But Jon being 'the one', the destined, special hidden prince sitting the IT alone is just annoying af. They both die and their child wins/rules, or they both rule together-people can call that Disney all they want, but it would be a nice ending considering all the loss and emotional turmoil it took to get there. I think there will be an IT in the, Westeros (minus the north sometimes) has a different idea of itself after 300 years of being one realm, for better or worse they are one country now with the same language. Plus 7 constantly warring states would drag them further behind Essos.
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I understand how you feel, Jon Crazy Fangirls are insufferable to me as well and I really love Jon, however when they talk about Jon I have no idea who they are talking about, they view him so differently than I do. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I do not think Jon will sit the IT. It wouldn't  be the first time a Targaryen refuse the IT and mostly I do not think him being legit means he will surely sit the IT, he became KitN as a bastard after all and Cersei sits the Throne at the moment with absolutely no hereditary reasons and Cersei's kids sat on the IT as bastards, ASOIAF showed us once and again how little being the legitimate heir means. Master Aemon refused the Throne. Of course I may be willing to see it this way as I really want Daenerys on that Throne, if there is still an IT in the end. As an aside I would have truly loved for Jon to be named Aemon. Thanks for understanding. You're right, show/book Jon and the character his stans describe are worlds apart, for some strange reason it has the effect of turning me off to Jon all the same, then I see an episode and I remember, oh yeah I love this guy! I too wish his name as Aemon it would it be sweet and poignant. In terms of the endgame; I always thought Daenerys as a game changer rather than a game player as she would be arriving with his massive force and dragons after winter hits and right before the WW invasion. But her dying in the end just makes her entire Mereen arc a waste-why learn to rule and go through the difficulty of ruling if you never will sit the IT? I am now resigned to Dany dying at the end, having her child with Jon rule is a nice consolation prize. But Jon being 'the one', the destined, special hidden prince sitting the IT alone is just annoying af. They both die and their child wins/rules, or they both rule together-people can call that Disney all they want, but it would be a nice ending considering all the loss and emotional turmoil it took to get there.  I think there will be an IT in the, Westeros (minus the north sometimes) has a different idea of itself after 300 years of being one realm, for better or worse they are one country now with the same language. Plus  7 constantly warring states would drag them further behind Essos. Wasn't the whole point of it to embrace her heritage and discover herself? In the end she learns that she's more of a conqueror than a ruler. If she dies at the end, but manages to conquer/unite Westeros with Jon beforehand then these lessons won't have been a waste. Plus, I think it's worth remembering that Dany is the character who has fallen victim to GRRM and his "gardener" approach the most. Dany was sitting on hold (for want of a better expression) from the birth of her dragons till she united the Dothraki. Learning to rule in Meereen was never part of the plan for her until she needed to be doing something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 9:21:09 GMT -5
I understand how you feel, Jon Crazy Fangirls are insufferable to me as well and I really love Jon, however when they talk about Jon I have no idea who they are talking about, they view him so differently than I do. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I do not think Jon will sit the IT. It wouldn't be the first time a Targaryen refuse the IT and mostly I do not think him being legit means he will surely sit the IT, he became KitN as a bastard after all and Cersei sits the Throne at the moment with absolutely no hereditary reasons and Cersei's kids sat on the IT as bastards, ASOIAF showed us once and again how little being the legitimate heir means. Master Aemon refused the Throne. Of course I may be willing to see it this way as I really want Daenerys on that Throne, if there is still an IT in the end. As an aside I would have truly loved for Jon to be named Aemon. Thanks for understanding. You're right, show/book Jon and the character his stans describe are worlds apart, for some strange reason it has the effect of turning me off to Jon all the same, then I see an episode and I remember, oh yeah I love this guy! I too wish his name as Aemon it would it be sweet and poignant. In terms of the endgame; I always thought Daenerys as a game changer rather than a game player as she would be arriving with his massive force and dragons after winter hits and right before the WW invasion. But her dying in the end just makes her entire Mereen arc a waste-why learn to rule and go through the difficulty of ruling if you never will sit the IT? I am now resigned to Dany dying at the end, having her child with Jon rule is a nice consolation prize. But Jon being 'the one', the destined, special hidden prince sitting the IT alone is just annoying af. They both die and their child wins/rules, or they both rule together-people can call that Disney all they want, but it would be a nice ending considering all the loss and emotional turmoil it took to get there. I think there will be an IT in the, Westeros (minus the north sometimes) has a different idea of itself after 300 years of being one realm, for better or worse they are one country now with the same language. Plus 7 constantly warring states would drag them further behind Essos. Tbh, the bolded bit is what has always felt the most GRRM-esque to me. There is a certain tragic beauty to it: both of them die but their child survives. It mirrors both Dany's and Jon's story as they grew up without their (real) parents, but with the difference that their child would actually grow up to be King or Queen. I just want a dramatic and beautiful ending and I think this is what comes closest to it.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jul 29, 2017 9:34:12 GMT -5
Thanks for understanding. You're right, show/book Jon and the character his stans describe are worlds apart, for some strange reason it has the effect of turning me off to Jon all the same, then I see an episode and I remember, oh yeah I love this guy! I too wish his name as Aemon it would it be sweet and poignant. In terms of the endgame; I always thought Daenerys as a game changer rather than a game player as she would be arriving with his massive force and dragons after winter hits and right before the WW invasion. But her dying in the end just makes her entire Mereen arc a waste-why learn to rule and go through the difficulty of ruling if you never will sit the IT? I am now resigned to Dany dying at the end, having her child with Jon rule is a nice consolation prize. But Jon being 'the one', the destined, special hidden prince sitting the IT alone is just annoying af. They both die and their child wins/rules, or they both rule together-people can call that Disney all they want, but it would be a nice ending considering all the loss and emotional turmoil it took to get there. I think there will be an IT in the, Westeros (minus the north sometimes) has a different idea of itself after 300 years of being one realm, for better or worse they are one country now with the same language. Plus 7 constantly warring states would drag them further behind Essos. Tbh, the bolded bit is what has always felt the most GRRM-esque to me. There is a certain tragic beauty to it: both of them die but their child survives. It mirrors both Dany's and Jon's story as they grew up without parents, but with the difference that their child would actually grow up to be King or Queen. I just want a dramatic and beautiful ending and I think this is what comes closest to it. I think that would be bittersweet (which is a over used word in relation to the ending of this saga IMO); someone earlier was saying that Jon + Dany mirror Rhaegar + Lyanna, but they unite Westeros instead of break it apart. It would be bittersweet for the both of them to save Westeros by uniting it, die and have their child be raised as King instead of a bastard. Now I'm imagining Sansa and Tyrion as Ned 2.0 in this scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 9:42:47 GMT -5
Tbh, the bolded bit is what has always felt the most GRRM-esque to me. There is a certain tragic beauty to it: both of them die but their child survives. It mirrors both Dany's and Jon's story as they grew up without parents, but with the difference that their child would actually grow up to be King or Queen. I just want a dramatic and beautiful ending and I think this is what comes closest to it. I think that would be bittersweet (which is a over used word in relation to the ending of this saga IMO); someone earlier was saying that Jon + Dany mirror Rhaegar + Lyanna, but they unite Westeros instead of break it apart. It would be bittersweet for the both of them to save Westeros by uniting it, die and have their child be raised as King instead of a bastard. Now I'm imagining Sansa and Tyrion as Ned 2.0 in this scenario. You just pretty much summarised my dream ending.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 9:43:31 GMT -5
I understand how you feel, Jon Crazy Fangirls are insufferable to me as well and I really love Jon, however when they talk about Jon I have no idea who they are talking about, they view him so differently than I do. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I do not think Jon will sit the IT. It wouldn't be the first time a Targaryen refuse the IT and mostly I do not think him being legit means he will surely sit the IT, he became KitN as a bastard after all and Cersei sits the Throne at the moment with absolutely no hereditary reasons and Cersei's kids sat on the IT as bastards, ASOIAF showed us once and again how little being the legitimate heir means. Master Aemon refused the Throne. Of course I may be willing to see it this way as I really want Daenerys on that Throne, if there is still an IT in the end. As an aside I would have truly loved for Jon to be named Aemon. Thanks for understanding. You're right, show/book Jon and the character his stans describe are worlds apart, for some strange reason it has the effect of turning me off to Jon all the same, then I see an episode and I remember, oh yeah I love this guy! I too wish his name as Aemon it would it be sweet and poignant. In terms of the endgame; I always thought Daenerys as a game changer rather than a game player as she would be arriving with his massive force and dragons after winter hits and right before the WW invasion. But her dying in the end just makes her entire Mereen arc a waste-why learn to rule and go through the difficulty of ruling if you never will sit the IT? I am now resigned to Dany dying at the end, having her child with Jon rule is a nice consolation prize. But Jon being 'the one', the destined, special hidden prince sitting the IT alone is just annoying af. They both die and their child wins/rules, or they both rule together-people can call that Disney all they want, but it would be a nice ending considering all the loss and emotional turmoil it took to get there. I think there will be an IT in the, Westeros (minus the north sometimes) has a different idea of itself after 300 years of being one realm, for better or worse they are one country now with the same language. Plus 7 constantly warring states would drag them further behind Essos. I'm ready to accept an ending where Daenerys dies, the majority of people seems to think her arc will go like that. However I think it will be way more poignant for her character to survive as far as resonance goes, she is quite unique in the genre and not just because she is a woman but her being a woman is important, in the world of ASOIAF and in ours as writing does not happen in a vacuum. She is a Conqueror, that is for sure, she is not just a Conqueror, like Arya is not just an assassin, or Jon is not just a bastard, Jaimie isn't just the Kingslayer; it seems quite reductive to give her a singular role and purpose, or to have her pacify and save Westeros as a nice wrapped gift for someone else, it might happen, I wish it would not. Not that I think of post-series Westeros as a gift, since it's likely going to be a ravaged wasteland and I could see Daenerys being among those meant to rebuild it, she is a force of change after all, she came from nothing and made the most out of it, I can see her as being quite apt when the rising from the proverbial ashes is involved. Same as Jon. And other characters. I do think no one here see her story as being simple, there is a lot to discuss about her journey and I have no clue about how it will end, I can only wish her end to be one that matters. If it were up to me she would jump on Drogon and happily fly toward a new adventure disappearing as legends do, that is unlikely to happen and I would not want her to "run" away. As far as bitter ending goes, I don't see them to absolutely having to equate death, just loss. For instance, one of the saddest ending I read was the Hunger Games one. However I do understand why people expect her character to die.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jul 29, 2017 10:17:36 GMT -5
I'm ready to accept an ending where Daenerys dies, the majority of people seems to think her arc will go like that. However I think it will be way more poignant for her character to survive as far as resonance goes, she is quite unique in the genre and not just because she is a woman but her being a woman is important, in the world of ASOIAF and in ours as writing does not happen in a vacuum. She is a Conqueror, that is for sure, she is not just a Conqueror, like Arya is not just an assassin, or Jon is not just a bastard, Jaimie isn't just the Kingslayer; it seems quite reductive to give her a singular role and purpose, or to have her pacify and save Westeros as a nice wrapped gift for someone else, it might happen, I wish it would not. Not that I think of post-series Westeros as a gift, since it's likely going to be a ravaged wasteland and I could see Daenerys being among those meant to rebuild it, she is a force of change after all, she came from nothing and made the most out of it, I can see her as being quite apt when the rising from the proverbial ashes is involved. Same as Jon. And other characters. I do think no one here see her story as being simple, there is a lot to discuss about her journey and I have no clue about how it will end, I can only wish her end to be one that matters. If it were up to me she would jump on Drogon and happily fly toward a new adventure disappearing as legends do, that is unlikely to happen and I would not want her to "run" away. As far as bitter ending goes, I don't see them to absolutely having to equate death, just loss. For instance, one of the saddest ending I read was the Hunger Games one. However I do understand why people expect her character to die. You are killing me right now! That's exactly how I feel about Daenerys! She is a unique character-a ruthless conqueror who is also an abolitionist, a savour with mystical qualities and a quasi religious figure; but inside a young woman racked by indecision carrying the burden of an ancient dynasty that some call the greatest dynasty in the history of the world. What a remarkable character arc she's had as well. But the fact she's a woman leads me to believe that her end game is to gift wrap the 7K (as you say) to not just anyone, but the other male lead in the series, the secret hidden prince whose rise we've witnessed as well. Which is just depressing as hell; her child I could live with, but Jon? Ugh.
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Post by Lils on Jul 29, 2017 10:23:45 GMT -5
Daenerys getting so close to the IT and abandoning it is basically the HOTU vision. I believed there was some symbolism there, I did`t expect it to fucking telegraph her final moves. Wow. Which means that Mr Mopes-a-lot is the end game player and will sit on the IT. Talk about failing upwards. I don`t hate Jon, just his rabid stans and the thought of them crowing is turning me off to the whole series. I sound crazy and should probably step away from the computer lol. But Jeez this sucks. I understand how you feel, Jon Crazy Fangirls are insufferable to me as well and I really love Jon, however when they talk about Jon I have no idea who they are talking about, they view him so differently than I do. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I do not think Jon will sit the IT. It wouldn't be the first time a Targaryen refuse the IT and mostly I do not think him being legit means he will surely sit the IT, he became KitN as a bastard after all and Cersei sits the Throne at the moment with absolutely no hereditary reasons and Cersei's kids sat on the IT as bastards, ASOIAF showed us once and again how little being the legitimate heir means. Master Aemon refused the Throne. Of course I may be willing to see it this way as I really want Daenerys on that Throne, if there is still an IT in the end. As an aside I would have truly loved for Jon to be named Aemon. I'd just prefer Dany and Jon to be co-rulers. I love them both and if they are co-rulers, it means they are together.
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Post by Lils on Jul 29, 2017 10:28:12 GMT -5
Thanks for understanding. You're right, show/book Jon and the character his stans describe are worlds apart, for some strange reason it has the effect of turning me off to Jon all the same, then I see an episode and I remember, oh yeah I love this guy! I too wish his name as Aemon it would it be sweet and poignant. In terms of the endgame; I always thought Daenerys as a game changer rather than a game player as she would be arriving with his massive force and dragons after winter hits and right before the WW invasion. But her dying in the end just makes her entire Mereen arc a waste-why learn to rule and go through the difficulty of ruling if you never will sit the IT? I am now resigned to Dany dying at the end, having her child with Jon rule is a nice consolation prize. But Jon being 'the one', the destined, special hidden prince sitting the IT alone is just annoying af. They both die and their child wins/rules, or they both rule together-people can call that Disney all they want, but it would be a nice ending considering all the loss and emotional turmoil it took to get there. I think there will be an IT in the, Westeros (minus the north sometimes) has a different idea of itself after 300 years of being one realm, for better or worse they are one country now with the same language. Plus 7 constantly warring states would drag them further behind Essos. I'm ready to accept an ending where Daenerys dies, the majority of people seems to think her arc will go like that. However I think it will be way more poignant for her character to survive as far as resonance goes, she is quite unique in the genre and not just because she is a woman but her being a woman is important, in the world of ASOIAF and in ours as writing does not happen in a vacuum. She is a Conqueror, that is for sure, she is not just a Conqueror, like Arya is not just an assassin, or Jon is not just a bastard, Jaimie isn't just the Kingslayer; it seems quite reductive to give her a singular role and purpose, or to have her pacify and save Westeros as a nice wrapped gift for someone else, it might happen, I wish it would not. Not that I think of post-series Westeros as a gift, since it's likely going to be a ravaged wasteland and I could see Daenerys being among those meant to rebuild it, she is a force of change after all, she came from nothing and made the most out of it, I can see her as being quite apt when the rising from the proverbial ashes is involved. Same as Jon. And other characters. I do think no one here see her story as being simple, there is a lot to discuss about her journey and I have no clue about how it will end, I can only wish her end to be one that matters. If it were up to me she would jump on Drogon and happily fly toward a new adventure disappearing as legends do, that is unlikely to happen and I would not want her to "run" away. As far as bitter ending goes, I don't see them to absolutely having to equate death, just loss. For instance, one of the saddest ending I read was the Hunger Games one.However I do understand why people expect her character to die. That to me is how the story will end. I always come across people saying Jon and/or Dany will die and I just can't buy into it. While GRRM has a tendency to kill off his characters, I don't think that it's going to happen for these two. Death doesn't really seem to be part of their arcs but life and learning to live. Think they both will have supreme loss, but I don't think it's going to have anything to do with each other dying and their child living alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 11:05:58 GMT -5
I understand how you feel, Jon Crazy Fangirls are insufferable to me as well and I really love Jon, however when they talk about Jon I have no idea who they are talking about, they view him so differently than I do. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I do not think Jon will sit the IT. It wouldn't be the first time a Targaryen refuse the IT and mostly I do not think him being legit means he will surely sit the IT, he became KitN as a bastard after all and Cersei sits the Throne at the moment with absolutely no hereditary reasons and Cersei's kids sat on the IT as bastards, ASOIAF showed us once and again how little being the legitimate heir means. Master Aemon refused the Throne. Of course I may be willing to see it this way as I really want Daenerys on that Throne, if there is still an IT in the end. As an aside I would have truly loved for Jon to be named Aemon. I'd just prefer Dany and Jon to be co-rulers. I love them both and if they are co-rulers, it means they are together. That would be ideal for me as well, also because among all the destruction I'm positive they can find a measure of happiness within each other. However if I were forced to pick one I would pick Daenerys, but co-rulers rules! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 11:13:28 GMT -5
I'm ready to accept an ending where Daenerys dies, the majority of people seems to think her arc will go like that. However I think it will be way more poignant for her character to survive as far as resonance goes, she is quite unique in the genre and not just because she is a woman but her being a woman is important, in the world of ASOIAF and in ours as writing does not happen in a vacuum. She is a Conqueror, that is for sure, she is not just a Conqueror, like Arya is not just an assassin, or Jon is not just a bastard, Jaimie isn't just the Kingslayer; it seems quite reductive to give her a singular role and purpose, or to have her pacify and save Westeros as a nice wrapped gift for someone else, it might happen, I wish it would not. Not that I think of post-series Westeros as a gift, since it's likely going to be a ravaged wasteland and I could see Daenerys being among those meant to rebuild it, she is a force of change after all, she came from nothing and made the most out of it, I can see her as being quite apt when the rising from the proverbial ashes is involved. Same as Jon. And other characters. I do think no one here see her story as being simple, there is a lot to discuss about her journey and I have no clue about how it will end, I can only wish her end to be one that matters. If it were up to me she would jump on Drogon and happily fly toward a new adventure disappearing as legends do, that is unlikely to happen and I would not want her to "run" away. As far as bitter ending goes, I don't see them to absolutely having to equate death, just loss. For instance, one of the saddest ending I read was the Hunger Games one.However I do understand why people expect her character to die. That to me is how the story will end. I always come across people saying Jon and/or Dany will die and I just can't buy into it. While GRRM has a tendency to kill off his characters, I don't think that it's going to happen for these two. Death doesn't really seem to be part of their arcs but life and learning to live. Think they both will have supreme loss, but I don't think it's going to have anything to do with each other dying and their child living alone. I agree, most of their stories are about protecting and fighting for life while finding their place into the world. Of course when one is protecting and fighting for life, death will be present, even if just by contrast, personally I find them to be way more tied with life than death.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 11:27:15 GMT -5
I'm ready to accept an ending where Daenerys dies, the majority of people seems to think her arc will go like that. However I think it will be way more poignant for her character to survive as far as resonance goes, she is quite unique in the genre and not just because she is a woman but her being a woman is important, in the world of ASOIAF and in ours as writing does not happen in a vacuum. She is a Conqueror, that is for sure, she is not just a Conqueror, like Arya is not just an assassin, or Jon is not just a bastard, Jaimie isn't just the Kingslayer; it seems quite reductive to give her a singular role and purpose, or to have her pacify and save Westeros as a nice wrapped gift for someone else, it might happen, I wish it would not. Not that I think of post-series Westeros as a gift, since it's likely going to be a ravaged wasteland and I could see Daenerys being among those meant to rebuild it, she is a force of change after all, she came from nothing and made the most out of it, I can see her as being quite apt when the rising from the proverbial ashes is involved. Same as Jon. And other characters. I do think no one here see her story as being simple, there is a lot to discuss about her journey and I have no clue about how it will end, I can only wish her end to be one that matters. If it were up to me she would jump on Drogon and happily fly toward a new adventure disappearing as legends do, that is unlikely to happen and I would not want her to "run" away. As far as bitter ending goes, I don't see them to absolutely having to equate death, just loss. For instance, one of the saddest ending I read was the Hunger Games one. However I do understand why people expect her character to die. You are killing me right now! That's exactly how I feel about Daenerys! She is a unique character-a ruthless conqueror who is also an abolitionist, a savour with mystical qualities and a quasi religious figure; but inside a young woman racked by indecision carrying the burden of an ancient dynasty that some call the greatest dynasty in the history of the world. What a remarkable character arc she's had as well. But the fact she's a woman leads me to believe that her end game is to gift wrap the 7K (as you say) to not just anyone, but the other male lead in the series, the secret hidden prince whose rise we've witnessed as well. Which is just depressing as hell; her child I could live with, but Jon? Ugh. Love how you describe her. She is a character so complex, she "holds" so many other characters whitin herself. I can easily dub her the most complex of Martin's creation, at least for me. We have been conditioned to always expect the woman to somehow "give-up" in literature and art in general, to step back, or to just act as decoration, fortunately no one thinks like that in this forum. Outside of here, it is almost a given that Daenerys will step back to favor others. For instance, if a male character had "awakened Dragons from stone" I can assure you there would be no debate about his status as AA. It's not a coincidence how blindly hated Daenerys is among certain groups. She is change. She breaks the mold. And I really wish for Martin to somehow break the mold as well and give us a different tale, since he succeeded in doing that as of now. Each of his characters are unique, even the most traditional ones.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Jul 29, 2017 11:34:32 GMT -5
My wish is for them to face the NK together, rule until their child is old enough to take the throne, then fly off together on Drogon to see the rest of the World, never to be seen again. The problem with bittersweet endings is there is too broad a field of interpretation. At the end of the season we might have a better idea of who is end-game material and who is battle fodder.
It could be Sansa and Tyrion on the Iron Throne, Jon and Dany in the North, the Dothraki survivors take Dorne, the Reach and Westerlands open for distribution. We really are a good distance right now from any certainty on how it will all come together.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jul 29, 2017 12:00:30 GMT -5
You are killing me right now! That's exactly how I feel about Daenerys! She is a unique character-a ruthless conqueror who is also an abolitionist, a savour with mystical qualities and a quasi religious figure; but inside a young woman racked by indecision carrying the burden of an ancient dynasty that some call the greatest dynasty in the history of the world. What a remarkable character arc she's had as well. But the fact she's a woman leads me to believe that her end game is to gift wrap the 7K (as you say) to not just anyone, but the other male lead in the series, the secret hidden prince whose rise we've witnessed as well. Which is just depressing as hell; her child I could live with, but Jon? Ugh. Love how you describe her. She is a character so complex, she "holds" so many other characters whitin herself. I can easily dub her the most complex of Martin's creation, at least for me. We have been conditioned to always expect the woman to somehow "give-up" in literature and art in general, to step back, or to just act as decoration, fortunately no one thinks like that in this forum. Outside of here, it is almost a given that Daenerys will step back to favor others. For instance, if a male character had "awakened Dragons from stone" I can assure you there would be no debate about his status as AA. It's not a coincidence how blindly hated Daenerys is among certain groups. She is change. She breaks the mold. And I really wish for Martin to somehow break the mold as well and give us a different tale, since he succeeded in doing that as of now. Each of his characters are unique, even the most traditional ones. OMG this! I agree she does break the mold, which is what makes her the most compelling character imo. People can't seem to accept a traditionally feminine woman who is also a conqueror. Martin has succeeded in creating a woman who expressively feminine, but holds the power and stature of a great man. All the comparisons to Aegon the Conqeror are no accident, like him she is a world historical figure; its interesting Aegon was never described as the greatest warrior, but rather a master strategist, a god among men, much like our girl. Some people cannot and will not accept that. I really hope that Martin gives her an ending worthy of his creation.
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