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Post by Lils on Jul 25, 2017 22:47:19 GMT -5
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 25, 2017 23:15:26 GMT -5
I will say I was a bit disappointed in Melisandre's reintroduction. She is supposed to be this mysterious, menacing figure, but nope, she's just like chilling there. The directing was very uninspired, I think. And not a hint of her signature music. She's like "ayy summon Jon snow" and Dany's like "um ok" and that's that. Could've been more. I couldn't agree more. I was so excited to see her but she was just......bland yeah it wasn't a bad scene at all, it just felt kind of flat. Dany walks in, they talk, end of scene.
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Post by belle on Jul 25, 2017 23:41:50 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I was so excited to see her but she was just......bland yeah it wasn't a bad scene at all, it just felt kind of flat. Dany walks in, they talk, end of scene. i wonder what kind of direction carice got for that scene. because honestly she was just delivering the lines like a normal regular person. like how i would say those lines to dany if i met her lol
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Jul 26, 2017 8:08:48 GMT -5
Show Varys is a puzzle. Yes, why does he care for Westeros instead of Essos and what would it have helped to put Viserys on the throne? Chances are, I'm over thinking it, but it is strange when you set it down in bullet points. It is actually one of the few plotholes that I can't get my head around. Pretty much everything else so far, I can justify. I'm going to just pretend the conversation between Dany and Varys didn't go there and go on with it.
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Post by freeparking on Jul 26, 2017 8:22:44 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I was so excited to see her but she was just......bland yeah it wasn't a bad scene at all, it just felt kind of flat. Dany walks in, they talk, end of scene. Perfunctory was how I saw it described.
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Post by Lovely Lyanna on Jul 26, 2017 8:24:12 GMT -5
I will say I was a bit disappointed in Melisandre's reintroduction. She is supposed to be this mysterious, menacing figure, but nope, she's just like chilling there. The directing was very uninspired, I think. And not a hint of her signature music. She's like "ayy summon Jon snow" and Dany's like "um ok" and that's that. Could've been more. I couldn't agree more. I was so excited to see her but she was just......bland Well, that is pretty much what I said before the season began and I was pretty much howled down. The problem for Mel, is how to come back after the Shireen fiasco. There was simply not enough time for a full on redemption. Sure, she brings back Jon, but she was simply transferring her vision of Stannis onto someone else and more importantly, she did not have to suffer in order to do that. Both Jaime and Theon were redeemed and they both suffered greatly as part of their redemption. Mel certainly smoothed the path for Jon, but she did not suffer while doing so. She may have been humbled somewhat, but she was simply not redeemed.
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Post by Lovely Lyanna on Jul 26, 2017 8:30:30 GMT -5
yeah it wasn't a bad scene at all, it just felt kind of flat. Dany walks in, they talk, end of scene. Perfunctory was how I saw it described. To me it just felt like a way to show a popular character again, rather than it having any real significance. I thought Lady Olenna's scene felt similar. It's like they just can't quite say goodbye. Using Jaqen again with Arya felt the same way. I wanted so much for that to be brilliant again, but it just wasn't.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Jul 26, 2017 9:25:15 GMT -5
I was reading on another thread and wondered why when Sansa was listing the relatives who answered a Targaryen's call and died she didn't include Lyanna. True, she mentioned their grandfather and uncle, but Lyanna's death involved another Targaryen. But then, as they've all said at various times in the series, "Father never talked about her."
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Post by nikma on Jul 26, 2017 9:36:14 GMT -5
Because she wasn't summoned by the Mad King.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jul 26, 2017 10:02:52 GMT -5
I was reading on another thread and wondered why when Sansa was listing the relatives who answered a Targaryen's call and died she didn't include Lyanna. True, she mentioned their grandfather and uncle, but Lyanna's death involved another Targaryen. But then, as they've all said at various times in the series, "Father never talked about her." She wasn't summoned by him, that's true. But I also think that they're trying to prepare the ground for R+L=J revealing. Mentioning Lyanna's official story wouldn't be a smart move once you wanna make it clear that it wasn't rape but love. Some people would remember only the last mention, so maybe they didn't include Lyanna's abduction to avoid confusion in GA.
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Post by Envie on Jul 26, 2017 10:38:01 GMT -5
I was reading on another thread and wondered why when Sansa was listing the relatives who answered a Targaryen's call and died she didn't include Lyanna. True, she mentioned their grandfather and uncle, but Lyanna's death involved another Targaryen. But then, as they've all said at various times in the series, "Father never talked about her." She wasn't summoned by him, that's true. But I also think that they're trying to prepare the ground for R+L=J revealing. Mentioning Lyanna's official story wouldn't be a smart move once you wanna make it clear that it wasn't rape but love. Some people would remember only the last mention, so maybe they didn't include Lyanna's abduction to avoid confusion in GA. They already made quite a point of it previously when Sansa talked to Littlefinger in the crypts about her. There was also a very pointed look from LF at that point that most of us caught so the groundwork is already there. I do agree they probably decided to leave it off the list of reasons not to trust a Targaryen though it's every bit as valid from a Stark's point of view and northerners who believe the "kidnapping" story. Maybe they don't want to tip their hands too early on that reveal.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Jul 26, 2017 11:14:58 GMT -5
yeah it wasn't a bad scene at all, it just felt kind of flat. Dany walks in, they talk, end of scene. i wonder what kind of direction carice got for that scene. because honestly she was just delivering the lines like a normal regular person. like how i would say those lines to dany if i met her lol I can't decide if Mel or Carice herself was bored in that scene She looks much better in that brief shot of her from the trailer (acting-wise, at least.)
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 26, 2017 12:50:03 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I was so excited to see her but she was just......bland Well, that is pretty much what I said before the season began and I was pretty much howled down. The problem for Mel, is how to come back after the Shireen fiasco. There was simply not enough time for a full on redemption. Sure, she brings back Jon, but she was simply transferring her vision of Stannis onto someone else and more importantly, she did not have to suffer in order to do that. Both Jaime Sandor and Theon were redeemed and they both suffered greatly as part of their redemption. Mel certainly smoothed the path for Jon, but she did not suffer while doing so. She may have been humbled somewhat, but she was simply not redeemed. Ftfy, and Idt GRRM is making the point that punishment = redemption or that suffering determines the worth of a character. Theon's torture was pretty much pointless and actually kept him from making better choices until he took the leap with Sansa. Tormund made the jump from villain (I remember the GA hating the wildlings in s4) to fan fave hero by the time of Hardhome, only 1 season later, and he wasn't even seriously injured in the Battle of Castle Black.
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Post by valyrianvlinder on Jul 26, 2017 12:51:46 GMT -5
There was talk of Carice breaking down in tears during the filming of this season, saying she just wanted to go home to her baby etc (her baby was only a couple of months old then), so it could be that her performance was a little flat because of what was going on with Carice personally. I believe she said in an interview something along the lines of that she thought that what she was doing just wasn't important. That being home with her baby was. Very understandable mindset given she was a new mother.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Jul 26, 2017 13:47:22 GMT -5
Well, that is pretty much what I said before the season began and I was pretty much howled down. The problem for Mel, is how to come back after the Shireen fiasco. There was simply not enough time for a full on redemption. Sure, she brings back Jon, but she was simply transferring her vision of Stannis onto someone else and more importantly, she did not have to suffer in order to do that. Both Jaime Sandor and Theon were redeemed and they both suffered greatly as part of their redemption. Mel certainly smoothed the path for Jon, but she did not suffer while doing so. She may have been humbled somewhat, but she was simply not redeemed. Ftfy, and Idt GRRM is making the point that punishment = redemption or that suffering determines the worth of a character. Theon's torture was pretty much pointless and actually kept him from making better choices until he took the leap with Sansa. Tormund made the jump from villain (I remember the GA hating the wildlings in s4) to fan fave hero by the time of Hardhome, only 1 season later, and he wasn't even seriously injured in the Battle of Castle Black. Agreed. Suffering does not lead to redemption in this story. Most of the time suffering just makes characters more spiteful or vengeful than they were before (Cersei did not become a saint after the Walk of Shame; Arya didn't become more peaceful after her parents died; Sansa did not become a better person after Joffrey and Ramsay, etc.) There's no point to all the suffering, that's the cruelty of it. And characters who have decided to stop suffering and/or victimizing themselves (like Jon this season) are all the better for it. Mel is having a change in the way she sees the world, which will be her true redemption.
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