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Post by nikma on Aug 9, 2017 3:30:33 GMT -5
The biggest problem with S5 is that it had the thankless task of condensing most of the 2 worst books that had very little in satisfying moments and mainly served to world build and delay payoffs for a story that should have been starting to move toward it's endgame. They did the best they could but as the series was in its infancy, you could tell that AFFC/ADWD crunch was coming eventually and even D&D remarked in S4 that they absolutely dreaded doing the next season because of the overall adaptation problems it presented. S6 was better because they cleared that signpost and were free to really get into the post-book material. When we speak about adapting AFFC and ADWD I will quote LF: When you find yourselves in bed with an ugly woman, best close your eyes and get it over with.My problem with complaints about S5 is that I don't see what D&D could have used from AFFC and ADWD to make S5 better. I don't think that that season was perfect, they needed more time for some things, 12 or 13 episodes for that season would be great, but I just don't see what they could have used from the last two books to make the show better? Brienne's storyline? The Vale? Doran's "masteplan" that leads to nothing? More Meereen? More Tyrion traveling? Quentin? Arys Oakheart? Sam traveling more? More Jon doing nothing at the Wall?
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Aug 9, 2017 3:50:03 GMT -5
Doran's "masteplan" that leads to nothing? This is because of cutting Arianne and Young Griff Still think we needed the Shy Maid crew or at least a part of that. Also they should have shown his "deeds" in Volantis with a sex slave to remind the audience that he is NOT perfectly nice guy This is the part that got cut but does not bother me. We need not see Nimble Dick on screen. I think the battle for Meereen could have been longer but then there is the matter of budget. If they had given two full seasons for AFFC + ADWD, then one season's battle budget could have been dedicated to Meereen. Totally! Arianne as the seductress and Oakheart as the smitten fool could have been so sexy and TV friendly. His story arc is grossly underrated. Dany's babies burnt him alive. This is bound to have an effect on Dany-Dorne relations once she lands in Westeros. This was needed to take Arya's story further. But the amount their showed on the show was not bad either. More Jon doing nothing at the Wall? With all these other characters getting screen time, Jon's presence need not be extended.
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Post by Jessica on Aug 9, 2017 4:35:51 GMT -5
Personally, I like all seasons of Game of Thrones, all of them are great TV. The weakest season was season 2 in my opinion, but still great compared to other stuff on TV. My favourite seasons so far are season 1, 4 and 6 but I am quite sure that season 7 will now get the top spot. The main problem of season 5 was that D&D had to condense books 4 and 5 and still wanted to wait for GRRM to finish book 6. So they did not have great material to work with but were also not completely free to do their own work. Dorne was not working in the show but I did not like it in the books either, I am not a fan of Arianne and Quentyn Martell and completely understand the decision to not introduce them into the show. But season 5 still had great or breathtaking moments like Hardhome, the burning of Shireen, the introduction of the High sparrow, Valyria... Personally I also think that the Sansa marrying Ramsay-arc was a quite clever solution to get Sansa out of the boring Vale-story line while combining her story with book material at the same time. I also like Tyrion's, Daenerys' and Briennes' arcs in season 5 much more than their respective arcs in the books. If I would have had to read one more time "Where do whores go." I will go nuts To be honest I am really not invested into Daenerys in the books and found most of her chapters quite boring especially in the later books. I am more into her story in the show. The North was ok in the books but is now one of my favourites in the show.
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Post by nikma on Aug 9, 2017 4:55:30 GMT -5
I don't know where I will put S7 on my list. For me stronger seasons are S1, S4 and S6. And if the last 3 episodes of S7 are this good I will put S7 there as well. But I don't really know how to rank them any more. There are aspects in which S7 is the best, but also aspects where S6 or S4 are stronger.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Aug 9, 2017 5:40:35 GMT -5
Characters meetings, plot milestones (like Dany in Westeros, dragon unleashed in battle, Jon in South, Starks in WF!) and feeling of ultimate ending being so close made S7 almost incomparable to others. I'm imbibing every moment and simply enjoy.
Quick impression- this season has a lot better dialogues and plot (specifying: characters' motivations) is much more logical than in S6.
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Aug 9, 2017 6:14:00 GMT -5
One of the reasons this season feels so good is because this is the payoff for the labor of love that we put in for the initial seasons.
For example, we sat through Dany's wanderlust through several parts of Essos such as Qarth, Vaes Dothrak, Meereen etc etc. Now we see Dany kicking ass, burning carts and banging undead nephews.
Next season will be the payoff for sitting through all the events at the Wall, Beyond the Wall and related stuff. It will be a carnage of WW going up against all remaining sane forces (Cersei won't be one of them) in the seven kingdoms. It will be brutal and gory, just the way we like it.
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Post by Envie on Aug 9, 2017 7:51:58 GMT -5
Even with a shorter number of episodes, I think Season 7 may end up topping Season 6 for me due to the sheer number of wonderful (and terrible) things all happening at once and converging in on itself. This is the time of the story many of us have waited a very long time for (beyond the show for many book readers) and spent years arguing what the 'endgame' would be for the game of thrones. As much as I don't want the show to end, I'm very much ready to see how this story plays out and the meaning behind it all. I had a paperback copy of the original first three books which I made notes in the margins on and highlighted bits thinking I was putting together the mystery of what happens in the end. I've raised two kids in that time and lost those books in a bad divorce (along with a whole lot of other meaningless material things) and I sure wish I had those books now to read what I thought about the story 15 years ago. I've since ditched my book theories and am much more in tune with the show. Season 7 has me obsessed all over again and the end of it is almost here.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Aug 9, 2017 11:55:43 GMT -5
It is George doing Helm's Deep and it's not even a subtle homage, it's a blatant ripoff. What? I don't see it Edit: I mean their are obvious similarities. Tywin = Gandalf being the biggest but nahh hardly a "blatant ripoff"
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 9, 2017 12:25:32 GMT -5
It is George doing Helm's Deep and it's not even a subtle homage, it's a blatant ripoff. What? I don't see it Edit: I mean their are obvious similarities. Tywin = Gandalf being the biggest but nahh hardly a "blatant ripoff" It's also not really good vs. evil like Helm's Deep either because it's conflicting that Joffrey is on the victorious side with Tyrion, Bronn, etc.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Aug 9, 2017 12:27:37 GMT -5
What? I don't see it Edit: I mean their are obvious similarities. Tywin = Gandalf being the biggest but nahh hardly a "blatant ripoff" It's also not really good vs. evil like Helm's Deep either because it's conflicting that Joffrey is on the victorious side with Tyrion, Bronn, etc. Oh ya 100%. Like I wanted Davos and Stannis over Cersei/Joffrey but im sure plenty of people were rooting for Tyrion/Bronn/The Hound like you said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 12:29:27 GMT -5
What? I don't see it Edit: I mean their are obvious similarities. Tywin = Gandalf being the biggest but nahh hardly a "blatant ripoff" It's also not really good vs. evil like Helm's Deep either because it's conflicting that Joffrey is on the victorious side with Tyrion, Bronn, etc. I think Helm's Deep is closer to 4x09 than to 2x09 tbh. But even then it's only similarities, not an exact replica.
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Post by Lils on Aug 9, 2017 16:02:30 GMT -5
It is George doing Helm's Deep and it's not even a subtle homage, it's a blatant ripoff. What? I don't see it Edit: I mean their are obvious similarities. Tywin = Gandalf being the biggest but nahh hardly a "blatant ripoff" I actually thought Battle of the Bastards was closer to Helm's Deep.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 9, 2017 16:05:24 GMT -5
What? I don't see it Edit: I mean their are obvious similarities. Tywin = Gandalf being the biggest but nahh hardly a "blatant ripoff" I actually thought Battle of the Bastards was closer to Helm's Deep. Yeah, the inspiration from LotR was strong there. Not necessarily a bad thing, there's always going to be similarities when it comes to this genre.
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Post by breakfest on Aug 9, 2017 16:12:33 GMT -5
Blackwater is still an absolutely great episode (I think the greatest of the three full-on battle episodes to this day) because of how well it hit the mark on a character level. I will always place that above the technical achievements of the battle, which for the time were still pretty mind-blowing for TV anyway. I'll never forget seeing the wildfire explosion for the first time.
So many brilliant character moments for Tyrion, Cersei, Sansa, The Hound, Joffrey, Stannis. Even minor ones for Bronn, Shae, Davos and Lancel. And a brilliantly paced, wonderfully realised conclusion with Cersei and Tommen on the Iron Throne. Prophetic in hindsight too. Sure the attack on the walls is clearly on a relatively small set with only a few people, you can really feel the budget limitations in comparison to the Battle of the Bastards especially, but it's still such a great conclusion to several character arcs converging on one location in a way that the show hasn't yet replicated.
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Post by Lils on Aug 9, 2017 16:15:27 GMT -5
I actually thought Battle of the Bastards was closer to Helm's Deep. Yeah, the inspiration from LotR was strong there. Not necessarily a bad thing, there's always going to be similarities when it comes to this genre. I still love that episode so much.
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