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Post by Envie on Aug 18, 2017 20:00:09 GMT -5
And by giving her the dagger she's basically saying "ask Bran about this", which in the end will lead to the events of the finale. Yeah, this was a good way to end it. Flipping the dagger around and handing it to Sansa was Arya's way of saying "Just kidding around Sansa!" (but of course a lot scarier) I think Sansa was relieved to know Arya's not seriously bent on killing her but is definitely scared of Arya. I hope this fear is what gets her to engage with Bran since Bran knows what Arya went through the same as he knows what Sansa went through. This dialogue has to happen in order for the final resolution!
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Post by nikma on Aug 18, 2017 20:03:36 GMT -5
I think scenes at WF are written too good for part of this fandom to understand. They are not able to understand even the books if people like Preston Jacobs and rest don't give them the reason to like things.
Arya and Sansa's conflict was written beautifully, deeply rooted in ther characters and traumas.
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Post by Envie on Aug 18, 2017 20:04:29 GMT -5
So would you say that 706 is better, worse or on par with 704? Forgive me for picking your brain like this. I'm curious. Man that's a tough question. 7x04 was unbelievably amazing and there wasn't a bad scene in it IMO. The battle in 7x06 is SO different from 7x04 you can't really compare them at all. I'd say the wight hunt battle was far more emotional for me overall because of Viserion of course, and the tension of all of them nearly dying. That "fuck yeah!" moment you get when the dragons show up flaming is quickly smashed to bits when you witness Viserion going down and it's frankly very shocking and sad. Lets just say the way they've gone all out on the special effects this year similar to what you saw in the loot train battle makes this really epic. I won't be able to really decide if one is better than the other until after Sunday. I intend to re-watch all of them in a row in all their HD glory because things have been a lot more chaotic this season with the leaks.
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Post by nikma on Aug 18, 2017 20:08:51 GMT -5
I'm really confused with regard to the reactions to 706. I haven't seen the episode yet, but it seems like one half of the fandom is extremely disappointed and the other half thinks it's a top 3 episode. I mean every GoT episode is controversial if one looks at the fandom in its entirety. But only seldom like this. Well I think the reaction will be similar to BOTB at the end. There are still people complaining about that episode and those who thinks it is the best episode in the show. Only the reasons will be different. I think IMDB will really tell the general reception of the episode.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 18, 2017 20:08:58 GMT -5
So would you say that 706 is better, worse or on par with 704? Forgive me for picking your brain like this. I'm curious. I wasn't sure of this at first but having rewatched it several times, I'd say it is. It's a very different episode structure really in that the north of the Wall sequence is not one long action setpiece but a series of action beats interspersed with other material. So it's not a battle episode per se. But it is much more momentous in its overall character and story impact and will be a lot more emotional for the audience. It's a game-changer. I still think the finale will end up beating it by a hair though.
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Post by Envie on Aug 18, 2017 20:11:24 GMT -5
The fandom in general are going to lose their collective minds over the wight hunt battle probably far more than they did the loot train battle. Remember how everyone was so freaked out when Drogon took a hit and was falling through the air? That was a suspended amount of time to panic and worry for him. They flip the tables on us in the next battle. It comes as a complete shock and unbelievable heart-stopping moment in 7x06. We watched a similar sized spear be shot at Drogon and he still lands on the ground and destroys shit. I think the fandom is going to expect the same sort of fist-pumping sequence in the wight battle and it goes horribly wrong. It happens so suddenly and so violently you're not ready for it and then they pull out your heart and stomp on it watching Viserion slowly sink into the frozen lake with dragon blood leaving a trail on the ice. It's VERY emotional and well done because of course everyone's watching this happen from Drogon's back. Jon goes berserker mode too which is heart-stopping. Remember how he reacted when Rickon died? Same thing... Jon just leaves behind all reason when he's super pissed!
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Post by nikma on Aug 18, 2017 20:13:05 GMT -5
Oh and I expect big posts on Reddit how the show is just Transformers now and how S1-4 were perfect and D&D don't care for the scale of the world.
And posts how D&D gave dragon to the NK vut in the books it will be Euron lol.
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Post by nikma on Aug 18, 2017 20:16:04 GMT -5
E6 is better than E4 in that sense that gives more space for characters. Arya and Sansa's first scene is really long. I think 6 minutes long. Dany and Tyrion had the longest conversation since 508, 4-5 minutes I think.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 18, 2017 20:20:44 GMT -5
Oh and I expect big posts on Reddit how the show is just Transformers now and how S1-4 were perfect and D&D don't care for the scale of the world. And posts how D&D gave dragon to the NK vut in the books it will be Euron lol. S2 was definitely not perfect. Anyway, I think the NK having a dragon could potentially be a nod to Jon thinking of ice dragons when he's in the tunnels beneath the Wall in the books. Not that it's exactly the same thing, but considering that Viserion is resurrected by Ice in a sense...
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 18, 2017 20:25:34 GMT -5
Been gone a couple of days on a last minute vacation with the kid before school starts next week. Carried this over from the old thread because it's something I had thought of as well: @roose said: I kind of thought this was a great opportunity for Rhaegal to swoop down and pick up Jon at the last minute before the horde of undead closed in on him. The fandom would have shit themselves! But I guess that's not the direction they wanted to go with it and if Jon ever ends up riding Rhaegal maybe they're holding that off for Season 8. They also probably wanted a heroic ending for Benjen though I really expected to see him as part of the 'dream team' much earlier in that storyline. ETA since I'm on the topic of the dragons, I watched the ep. a second time last night while on an overnight trip and it actually hit me harder the second time around. Viserion's death was very shocking and sad... when he sunk into the lake with all that blood on the snow and ice, his eyes closed... it just hurt a lot! Poor Viserion and Rhaegal were sort of the forgotten dragons (not as bad as the direwolves but still) and I feel worse for them than Drogon who even took a bolt to the shoulder during the big loot train battle. That didn't hurt nearly as much as watching Viserion's neck exploding in fire like that and him sinking into the lake. My breath and heart caught in my throat. They are so good at bringing these dragons to life! Well I think saving Jon would be a problem for Rhaegal, dragons can't land on the ice to heavy, Drogon landed on the island. After the Night King would have to have not noticed Rhaegel hanging around. Dany saw him go in the water and not come out. She was just holding out a desperate hope that he somehow survived. But it didn't look good. Plus it sets up the boat scene. Jon's developing a new move, it used to be the cave, now it's the Boat Cabin, welcome aboard the love boat. I can imagine there was a long lecture after the fact, which involved a lot of screaming about you let the King provide cover while you ran! Hound gets off he was holding the package. Maybe Jorah too, he was helping deliver the package but Tormund and Beric? No excuses, damn gingers, you want to be kissed by fire so badly, Drogon will give you a kiss, get your shit together gingers! That's probably why Beric got left behind. Jon will probably ride a dragon at some point. Kind of curious how Winterfell holds out while Jon and Dany are in the south and he is flying around the north on an ice dragon. On a side note did you notice how the frozen lake was a mini version on the gods eye? Round lake with an island in the middle.
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Post by nikma on Aug 18, 2017 20:31:10 GMT -5
And you should expect meltdowns over "teleporting", "plot armor", "mindless action",...
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 18, 2017 20:38:45 GMT -5
Winterfell is definitely dividing people, but I've actually seen a lot of criticism directed towards the wight hunt as well. People keep complaining about the logistics (where did the WW get that chain from? how did they get underwater? How did Dany travel so fast? etc.) and I've also seen a lot of comments about it not being set up well, because of how it doesn't make sense to get a wight just for Cersei, considering that almost her entire army has been decimated anyway, so why would they need her? But that's an 705 issue IMO. They should have gone with "the southern lords need to be convinced that the army of dead is real" instead of just Cersei. Anyway, I need to see the episode for myself to see if any of this is justified. I'm just curious to hear what y'all think, especially people like you and TheArchmaester , who really seem to have enjoyed it. But Cersei controls a good amount of the southern lords. Yeah a lot of the Lannister army has been wiped out, or switched sides, but Tyrion knows Cersei well enough not to underestimate her. She's got the IB behind her and is still sitting on the IT. I personally don't see the problem with it. I am not sure what she controls, Jamie points out they have little in the way of allies, that's why she went with Euron. When she summons the lords only a small amount show up. Now she is trying to get the Golden company. If anyone shows up to the pit it seems pretty obvious which way they will lean.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 18, 2017 20:49:26 GMT -5
And by giving her the dagger she's basically saying "ask Bran about this", which in the end will lead to the events of the finale. Yeah, this was a good way to end it. Flipping the dagger around and handing it to Sansa was Arya's way of saying "Just kidding around Sansa!" (but of course a lot scarier) I think Sansa was relieved to know Arya's not seriously bent on killing her but is definitely scared of Arya. I hope this fear is what gets her to engage with Bran since Bran knows what Arya went through the same as he knows what Sansa went through. This dialogue has to happen in order for the final resolution! I think it was more you better check on your boy cause I smell a rat. I think she figured out she got baited and this is not the first time she was hooked up with the wrong team. She set Sansa up the same way she was setup. That's Arya's room Sansa is going through. She wants to see which team she wants to be on. Dude is Shaddy and thieves don't carry Valyrian steel. As Konrad points out ask about the dagger, and the dagger is symbolic of LF. Sansa has been making excuses for why he is around.
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 18, 2017 21:21:33 GMT -5
I watched the episode with an HD rendition and i agreed that Viserion's death was gruesome. The way Viserion fell after the Night's King threw his spear at him, his body was drag to the ice where his wounds are and the blood seeping out of it before he fell to the water. I could imagine how much that's awfully hurt and Dany had to witnessed that was heartbreaking. I imagine how painful Dany would feel if she see wright Viserion with the NK riding him.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 18, 2017 21:51:06 GMT -5
I think it's the Winterfell stuff that's dividing people moreso than the wight hunt (which is phenomenal front to back IMO). They also divided up Winterfell in between the Wight Hunt scenes and this wasn't terrible but made me a little distracted at times because obviously the wight hunt is the major action we are on pins and needles about. Difficult to transition. Winterfell is definitely dividing people, but I've actually seen a lot of criticism directed towards the wight hunt as well. People keep complaining about the logistics (where did the WW get that chain from? how did they get underwater? How did Dany travel so fast? etc.) and I've also seen a lot of comments about it not being set up well, because of how it doesn't make sense to get a wight just for Cersei, considering that almost her entire army has been decimated anyway, so why would they need her? But that's an 705 issue IMO. They should have gone with "the southern lords need to be convinced that the army of dead is real" instead of just Cersei. Anyway, I need to see the episode for myself to see if any of this is justified. I'm just curious to hear what y'all think, especially people like you and TheArchmaester , who really seem to have enjoyed it. Well, personally, I think Episode 6 corrected some of the mistakes of the previous episode. For example, the Tarly business, which was quickly put aside in "Eastwatch", is discussed in-depth this episode and it's an excellent scene. The wight hunt, which sounded ridiculous before, is not only thrilling to watch, but gains new meaning and is surprisingly rich thematically. I also thought Arya's anger and resentment were conveyed much more believably this episode. I actually loved the Winterfell segment and how they contrasted it with the Beyond the Wall bits. They work together really well. Imo Episode 6 is also a lot greater than 4. I loved the battle in 4, but 6 is great from beginning to end. It's basically GOT's super entertaining summary on life and death
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