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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 16:12:54 GMT -5
Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, GOT is a cash cow. Breaking Bad while critically acclaimed and beloved was nowhere near the gargantuan popularity of GOT, its in a completely different universe of success and for any business that's what matters. Awards are great, but eye balls and subscriptions are what matter. So the Netflix model is what makes sense from a business stand point. HBO also have a bit of a superiority complex though, in a good way. They have a brand of prestige to uphold, which means their shows have to reach certain self-imposed standards of quality. They tend to be fairly savvy when it comes to which shows to push and which shows to cancel. I don't think they'll blow their load on multiple spin-off at once. They let True Blood run for 7 seasons, but cancelled Deadwood and Rome...
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Post by breakfest on Jun 10, 2018 16:26:45 GMT -5
HBO also have a bit of a superiority complex though, in a good way. They have a brand of prestige to uphold, which means their shows have to reach certain self-imposed standards of quality. They tend to be fairly savvy when it comes to which shows to push and which shows to cancel. I don't think they'll blow their load on multiple spin-off at once. They let True Blood run for 7 seasons, but cancelled Deadwood and Rome... Rome was completely understandable IMO, find it to be an immensely overrated show that wasn't cost effective to continue, albeit one that paved the way for a GoT. But equally, there may not have been space for GoT had Rome kept running, so it worked out long term. The other two sure, they don't have a perfect record but they're better than just about any other network. I think they're aware about how bad the Deadwood decision was, since nothing nearly as bad has happened since, but even that decision had a myriad of other factors involved than just HBO saying 'you're cancelled'. I'm hopeful they'll be sensible here. Though maybe dat Marvel success is pressuring everyone else more than I appreciate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 16:41:44 GMT -5
They let True Blood run for 7 seasons, but cancelled Deadwood and Rome... Rome was completely understandable IMO, find it to be an immensely overrated show that wasn't cost effective to continue, albeit one that paved the way for a GoT. But equally, there may not have been space for GoT had Rome kept running, so it worked out long term. The other two sure, they don't have a perfect record but they're better than just about any other network. I think they're aware about how bad the Deadwood decision was, since nothing nearly as bad has happened since, but even that decision had a myriad of other factors involved than just HBO saying 'you're cancelled'. I'm hopeful they'll be sensible here. Though maybe dat Marvel success is pressuring everyone else more than I appreciate. I can understand the complaints about S2 feeling rushed (although I still love it), but S1 is absolute perfection, imo.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 16:45:07 GMT -5
Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, Not really. I mean creating quality content is what they are known for. Crap shows like Marvel's would harm HBO's brand that will live long after GoT.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 16:46:40 GMT -5
Rome was completely understandable IMO, find it to be an immensely overrated show that wasn't cost effective to continue, albeit one that paved the way for a GoT. But equally, there may not have been space for GoT had Rome kept running, so it worked out long term. The other two sure, they don't have a perfect record but they're better than just about any other network. I think they're aware about how bad the Deadwood decision was, since nothing nearly as bad has happened since, but even that decision had a myriad of other factors involved than just HBO saying 'you're cancelled'. I'm hopeful they'll be sensible here. Though maybe dat Marvel success is pressuring everyone else more than I appreciate. I can understand the complaints about S2 feeling rushed (although I still love it), but S1 is absolute perfection, imo. Yeah S2 was rushed, but S1, my God it was glorious. I think what hurt that show was that it was prohibitively expensive and HBO couldn't justify it anymore.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 16:50:10 GMT -5
Another smart decision D&D made was not to be involved with spin offs.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 16:51:47 GMT -5
Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, Not really. I mean creating quality content is what they are known for. Crap shows like Marvel's would harm HBO's brand that will live long after GoT. HBO is known for marrying quality content with financial success (appointment viewing and subscriptions). It's a business, and it's all about the bottom-line. Look at Big Little Lies an amazing limited series that garnered praise and massive ratings. It was based on one book and was sold as a one time only limited series with movie stars coming to tv. Now that its a massive hit, there will be a season 2. Without any source material to draw from, there's a risk it won't live up the quality of S1, does HBO care? Hell no! This is a cash grab anyway you look at it.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 16:54:18 GMT -5
It's a business, and it's all about the bottom-line. Yeah, and I don't see how creating GoT fatigue is going to be a smart business decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 16:55:48 GMT -5
Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, Not really. I mean creating quality content is what they are known for. Crap shows like Marvel's would harm HBO's brand that will live long after GoT. Do you even watch those shows or are you just trying to be as pretentious as possible? I only watched Daredevil so I can’t speak to the quality of the others, but you sound like the people that say GoT is just tits and dragons.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 17:01:05 GMT -5
It's a business, and it's all about the bottom-line. Yeah, and I don't see how creating GoT fatigue is going to be a smart business decision. I'm sure there are people in HBO who will be making that argument. The counter argument will be look at Marvel/Netflix, why cant you do what they're doing? GOT is HOT right now, why take the risk in this fast moving culture that it will still be as popular 10-20 yrs from now? Why put all your eggs into one show when you have an entire world with thousands of years of history to draw from? Also where are the motherfukin dragons?
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 17:03:31 GMT -5
Not really. I mean creating quality content is what they are known for. Crap shows like Marvel's would harm HBO's brand that will live long after GoT. Do you even watch those shows or are you just trying to be as pretentious as possible? I only watched Daredevil so I can’t speak to the quality of the others, but you sound like the people that say GoT is just tits and dragons. Daredevil is an amazing series, and has been moving from strength to strength every season. Jessica Jones season 1 was incredible, season 2 was ok, but now that I've had some distance from it I appreciate it more.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 17:05:14 GMT -5
Some of them yeah. There are not prestige drama show that HBO wants to create.
I don't understand why would they use Marvel as their role model. They want a successor show that would be able to be nominated for Emmy and get critical acclaim.
I mean, the only thing I care about right now is S8, but it would be shame if HBO ruins GoT brand.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 17:09:45 GMT -5
I'm sure there are people in HBO who will be making that argument. The counter argument will be look at Marvel/NetflixWhy put all your eggs into one show when you have an entire world with thousands of years of history to draw from? Also where are the motherfukin dragons? Because this show is extremely expensive. They can't create 5 show with the same production quality that audence expects from GoT. They need this new show to be popular. And it won't be if we have GoT fatigue. Marvel did't create any show that had the kind of succes HBO wants.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 17:11:37 GMT -5
Some of them yeah. There are not prestige drama show that HBO wants to create. I don't understand why would they use Marvel as their role model. They want a successor show that would be able to be nominated for Emmy and get critical acclaim. I mean, the only thing I care about right now is S8, but it would be shame if HBO ruins GoT brand. You seem to think HBOs business model is awards first and money second. They are subscription based network, its all about the cash money, how else do you explain True Blood?
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 17:18:29 GMT -5
I'm sure there are people in HBO who will be making that argument. The counter argument will be look at Marvel/NetflixWhy put all your eggs into one show when you have an entire world with thousands of years of history to draw from? Also where are the motherfukin dragons? Because this show is extremely expensive. They can't create 5 show with the same production quality that audence expects from GoT. They need this new show to be popular. And it won't be if we have GoT fatigue. Marvel did't create any show that had the kind of succes HBO wants. You know what you might be right. HBO might not want to spend the money and greenlight 2 big unproven fantasy shows at the same time. A year or two after the first one airs, even if its a moderate success? Definitely. Also fatigue is what fans worry about not suits, they will bleed every last dollar dry before canceling something, or more aptly putting it on the shelf only to bring it back after a few years. The huge world of GOT is just too enticing to focus on only one spin-off for another decade.
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