The Dragons as Lightbringer

Mind if I add a little textual evidence? Now before I quote anything I would like to say when it comes to prophecies they can often be about perspective. Kind of like how the Comet was given so many names. But that there is a truth within a prophecy itself regardless of perspective. The Red Comet could be seen as many things by many people but it was still a red comet. Waking the dragons from stone can be interpreted to mean many things, but Dany literally woke Dragons from stone. No matter how one interprets or sees something an event occurred. I think AA can be attributed to certain characters, and I am not sure how that all plays out and I don't think the Prophecy itself changes a character like Jon or Dany. Where you see it infect Stannis and more than likely Rhaegar, Dany and Jon are pretty oblivious to it and their paths are well on the road and pointed in certain directions already. Like the AA prophecy did not have anything to do with her waking the Dragons. The end result may fit really well but she was never influenced by it.

The Red comet is twice named in Dany chapters as the bleeding star, yet the naming had nothing to do with AA. It is just what they call it. Gendry names it the Red Sword also the name given to Light Bringer. The Dragons Tail in the streets of KL.

"They say it comes as a herald before a king, to warn of fire and blood to follow" Interpretation, but we are pretty much given a general connection to Dany and the Comet. King/Queen are interchangeable especially in a world that is culturally focused on men.

"Blood and fire, boy, and nothing sweet." It's just a play on the Targaryen words.

"If Daenerys is no more than a sweet young girl, the Iron Throne will cut her into sweet young piece"

Sweet being the operative word. And sweet will come up again with Dany.

"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness."

"…the Red Comet is a herald of a new age. A messenger from the gods'

"We have become swollen, bloated, foul. Brother couples with sister in the bed of kings, and the fruit of their incest capers in his palace to the piping of a twisted little monkey demon. Highborn ladies fornicate with fools and give birth to monsters! Even the High Septon has forgotten the gods! He bathes in scented waters and grows fat on lark and lamprey while his people starve! Pride comes before prayer, maggots rule our castles, and gold is all... but no more! The Rotten Summer is at an end, and the Whoremonger King is brought low! When the boar did open him, a great stench rose to heaven and a thousand snakes slid forth from his belly, hissing and biting!” He jabbed his bony finger back at comet and castle. “There comes the Harbinger! Cleanse yourselves, the gods cry out, lest ye be cleansed! Bathe in the wine of righteousness, or you shall be bathed in fire! Fire!"

Now that last quote was from a Tyrion chapter in KL, but he will hear an almost identical claim made in Essos regarding Dany.

Old Nan who is more often right than not.

"Dragons ... it be dragons, boy"

So you are given this rather strong connection to Dragons, cleansing, fire and blood, and a Red Sword. These are things also attributed to the Prince, Azor, Targaryens and Mel will even connect Dragons to both.

The world book tends to give you this view of many AA personas, which starts making it more of an idea. A hero and leader, who basically gave hope to the world during a great Darkness. Was it one person with many names or many people? Can more than one person have a flaming sword? Well the answer is yes to both. We see in Dany a Character is often joked about for her many titles and names. Different cultures have applied different names to her.Is she a hero? A leader? It depends on perspective to the slaves yes to the slavers no. But does anyone really care about the slavers feelings here?

"This Mother of Dragons, this Breaker of Chains, is above all a rescuer."

Now the comment from Xaro about the Dragons as three swords tends to tie best with Jon because shortly after that comment we get Jon with a flaming Longclaw. For Jon of course you feel the point of AA here but also given the comments about the Dragon in the moment Jon symbolizes his own house, house Targaryen, essentially the flaming sword symbolizing 1 weapon that is associated with three dragons and the color is red and Jon is in all black. Very symbolic of the Targaryen sigil. If Jon is given the last Kiss it's really not that hard for him to make a flaming blade just as Beric did. Fire and blood as it were.

Now here are a couple of less looked at elements and quotes about Jon and Dany. The first is Dany only and comes from Xaro who of course gave us the Flaming sword quote about the Dragons.

"Marry me, bright light and sail the ships of my heart"

Now I would point at Sam and the Cinnamon wind. Seem like an odd connection, well lets look.

With Sam you often get intersecting plot lines, Bran, Arya, Jon, Mawyn, Aemon, and Dany. Sam is sent on a mission by Jon to find a way to defeat the others and escort Aemon to Oldtown. Along the way he runs into Arya, and the Cinnamon Wind and hears and interesting story about the Mother of Dragons. Sam not being an idiot is like hey we are fighting the Others, the Mother of Dragons would be good. Sam expresses the ability to make a simple obvious connection which can be difficult for some to make.

We see plot lines beginning to intersect when Sam goes looking for who? Daeron, who was sent with Sam to try and recruit but who abandons the watch, he and Sam get in a fight. Of course Daeron is a Targaryen name of the famed Young Dragon who invaded Dorne. Now of course Dany and her namesake are also connected to Dorne and the Water gardens. And well you know Jon and Dorne have a connection as well. Dorne with it's lovely Sun symbolism. Sam will take the Cinnamon Wind to Old Town, and of course we know that ship has a connection to Dany, but if you watch you can see Martin work in some subtle clues. What is Sam's mission given to him by Jon? Find a way to stop the Others, get help. We have Daeron and Arya, Dany and her Dragons. Now Daeron may not seem like much help but this of course leads us to the Cinnamon Wind which was of great help to Sam.

Now as they sail, the Wind will be attacked and they will fend off the ship with Golden bows from the Red Archers. It was the Golden bows that caught my eye, on their own they are Golden bows but what happened next adds a little symbolism and perhaps some context to what is being relayed. 3 other ships appear, the Huntress and her Greyhounds. When you get Golden bows, the Huntress and her Greyhounds you get Artemis twin to Apollo. Apollo of course known for his Golden bow and Artemis is the Huntress and her hounds were Greyhounds. Now I don't call Jon and Dany twins, I call them Sun and Moon, and in Greek history Apollo and Artemis the Twins are also the Sun and Moon. Now interesting enough Artemis has a title, "Phaesporia" The Lightbringer.

Now you may be going well that's a stretch, can we be sure that is the symbolism? Well keep following, I am not done yet.

Sam moves along to the Citadel, and what does Sam see? A statue, a stature of who? Daeron the Young Dragon, that's your second Daeron on this journey and what is the Daeron statue pointing at? Dorne, A Young Dragon pointing at Dorne as Sam looks for help in stopping the Others. Later Sam will meet Alleras the Sphinx.

Now of course we met Alleras in the prologue of Crows. Do you remember the scene? The conversation is on? Multiple things, but the heart of it is actually Dany and her Dragons as her fame is spreading. Now Pate during the conversation of Dany is thinking about a Rose. He is no matter how you look at it so you get Dany, Dragons and a Rose being brought up again and Alleras the Sphinx is doing what? Shooting Apples. What is he shooting them with? His golden bow. So here you have Apples, a Golden Bow and a Sphinx again all three are tied heavily to Apollo, as is the Sun and funny enough Alleras comes from the Sun. You also get Leo, the Lion also symbolic of the Sun. Much like the name Leonardo. Yes Leo, I just tied your name into the Lightbringer theory using actual text evidence.

"The Dragon has three heads" Says the Sphinx.

We hear this from Aemon on Sams journey and of course in Dany's chapters, which might draw the readers attention back to who said it, and who was that? Why it was Rhaegar, in the HOTU. And of course the prologue quickly moves to mention Rhaegar right after he says that.

In the end "We speak of Rhaegar's sister, born on Dragonstone before it's fall. They one they called Daenerys." "The Stormborn. I recall her now." The conversation of course goes to Marwyn and the Glass candles.

Of course Sam will meet Allares, Marwyn, Leo and Pate/FM, that would be the second FM same has met.

The symbolism leans towards Apollo here with the Golden Bow, Apples and Sphinx. And the talk of the twin Sphinxes as they are generally found in Martins world, here they come in pairs. As they sometimes did in mythology, the twin Sphinxes, Sol and Luna which plays into the idea of Artemis and Apollo the Moon and Sun or sun and moon. Even Leo Tyrell, after all Leo the Lion is symbolized by a sun and of course the Tyrell sigil is a rose. There is a lot to be had in that chapter.

We get a lot in Sam's chapters as well as the prologue to Crows among other things. For me I don't need Jon to have a Dragon to be a Prince and I don't need Dany to have sword to be hero, I think there is more than enough evidence that Dany is connected to AA and the Prince as well as Jon. It was not the Lion of Night who brought light and love back to the World after all, it was the Maiden made of light. She was a Lightbringer. Her or Jon, Dragon or Sword? These two are connected weather people want it or not. All the Characters in one way or another are connected, but these two, well it's pretty easy to see they have a destiny in this story that leads them to each other. Sam was just another step closer to that union. It's not the FAegon story or the Euron book club fantasy novel, it's not the Mannis and how he saved the World story. Martin never said it was a mystery, it's not about surprise it's about the journey. Jon having a mystery did not make the series itself a mystery, it's a fantasy, a brutal fantasy but still a fantasy.

In the end Dany could probably use Jon and his flaming sword if he ever gets one, and Jon sure as heck could use Dany her flaming Dragon Sword as they have been described. Martin is no idiot, he knows what symbolism he puts on both of them, it has not somehow escaped his attention. In world more than likely the idea of who they are will come down too perspective, some may say oh Jon has a penis he must be the hero. Some may say well the Maiden made of Light has returned with love and light and some warmth, lots of warmth, like a blast furnace warm.

I would not leave Tyrion out of the equation either as he is not only tied to both of them but last I checked a Lion has always been tied to both Azor and Maiden and Lion. It's an interesting dynamic between those three and the Others that's for sure. Mormont sure thought the watch could use a guy like Tyrion and Jon sure did wish for a dragon or three. He even get the magical beautiful Queen in the process that's like the best wish ever coming true. "Dear old Gods I know I have not been all that good lately what with my Emo, and my Emo and my well lets just say Sansa may have forgot to mention the Vale on the show but I did sort of forget to mention Bran or even question the Wildlings at Crasters about him. So lets call it even. I know I can be a putz, but ummmm the Others are scary do you think that maybe I could get like a Dragon to help, actually you know make it three." "Holy crap 3 Dragons, a giant army or stars on horses and a smoking hot magical fairy princess. EEEEEEK! I must be the best boy ever and... Oh shit Tyrion is up in this mofo too? Fo shizzle my nizzle, what uuuuup plot armor?"

Artemis was named the Light Bringer, because the moment after she was born she acted as mid wife to her mother and brought Apollo into the world. I like the Spanish interpretation.

The Sphinx was not so much a warning but a riddle. The question becomes who or what is the Sphinx, the answer is Tyrion. Tyrion has interesting symbolism, the Gargoyle, the Lion and the Sphinx. Cause he has dragon blood, shhhhh.

As for the Undying it's a great chapter, I need to look at it again though, it's just one of those really dense chapters with just a ton buried in it. Yes it appears undead things are really drawn to Dany.

Funny how Lightbringer is tied to three just like Dany. There is so much in that damn house, the undying are like prophecy hoarders, Dany was intervention.

Here is the thing about Lightbringer for me. You know I have a sort of fundamental core in how I look at the books. It's essentially the sun and moon and the unity of opposition. Which is one thing to me and I see no difference in the Lightbringer issue. I think Lightbringer is bad, not bad now but when Azur forged the blade I think he messed up big time. This is a different time and while there is mirroring things are different. Like I think Sal was right, and the World book hints at this as well. The world was broken, out of balance is how I see it. The talk of Aemon, love is the death of duty, and the talk of Mercy and Justice. Lightbringer was like Duty and Justice, but love and family were sacrificed. What I see with Dany is different. The Night's King story mirrors Lightbringer, it's an inverse. You know she took his soul, just like Lightbringer took the soul of Nissa. Each choice lacked balance. But the dragons are different. Sure you can say they are a weapon, but also alive they touch on both ends of the Sword and the King. And how they were forged, Dany took no souls, Mirri was burned, but the belief is the souls that went into the eggs were Rheago, Drogo and Viserys. She never sacrificed them, Viserys mad a stupid choice and Dany tried to save him. Drogo was injured and Dany tried to save him and was betrayed as was her child.

There is a contrast there. We sort of see it in this prophecy.

 three heads has the dragon . . .
. . . three fires must you light . . . one for life and one for death and one to love . . .
. . . three mounts must you ride . . . one to bed and one to dread and one to love . . .
. . . three treasons will you know . . . once for blood and once for gold and once for love . . .

Here we see those choices played out, but the third choice always yields the best results. Love, and Dany had love for those 3, even Viserys, sure she is conflicted but his death traumatized her and she tried to protect him. And the dragons she loves, they are not swords to her. She can fight using them but she cares very much for her babies. I think we may see another form of Lightbringer in the future, but I think the Dragons are in general close to that idea. That they have some balance between them and the sword and the Night's king. For me Azur got it wrong and the Night's king was wrong. And I am hoping that Dany and Jon get it right. Or Dany Jon and Tyrion. That comes back to an idea expressed in the undying to drink from the cup of fire and to drink from the cup of ice. Find that balance between the red sword and the Night's king.

I can always talk about the undying, and it's a core idea in the Night's King seeking Dany just as the Undying who mirror the Others seek Dany or as they say they were waiting a 1000 years for her. How they try to deceive her into joining them and tempt her with magic, eternal existence, and beauty. You get a Wizard king and Queen in silver, and she sees through it and the truth is revealed, beneath the gold lies the bitter truth. Further when she moves on to the real Undying she sits at the table and next her the man who looks across the table at a women who is directly across from Dany. These two seem to reflect the truth of the man and women she spoke to before she entered the room.

The fire the life is a theme and I tend to find life and light to be interchangeable more often than not, much as is the case with Artemis. At the end of the seen in an act of self preservation Dany is seeking the light much as the undying were seeking the life.

Perspective, perspective is often at the core of Martins work.

Back in the day Ygritte gave Jon and example, when she told him he was not from the North, in truth he isn't but more than she knew. She said she was from the north and anything south of the wall was south to her. Jon returns basically pointing out it's about perspective. "I guess it depends on where you are standing."

""When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

This is an exercise in perspective. How could the sun rise in the west and set in the east? Well like Jon and Yigritte it depends where you are standing. Like the North Essos is referred to as the east, and Westeros the west. The sun both rises and sets in the east every day, same for the north. And it happens that when the sun is rising in Westeros it is setting in Essos. So it basically points to Dany being in Westeros. So who will return to her? Drogo? Or her sun and stars? Drogo is not coming back, maybe a vision. But a sun does come to her a Prince of Dorne, is it the right prince? Or perhaps another prince from Dorne?

"To go north, you must go south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow."

Pree tells Dany to always use the first door on the right. Which she does until? There is no first door on her right. This entire hallway is very important, as the riddle is in the perspective.

Remember when we talked about that theory on Visions, the future is always shown as symbolism and the past is literal as it has already occurred?

The visions in the Hallway start out as perspective before becoming literal, this suggests the chronological order is reversed. Dany is going backwards.

The first of this is a woman being savaged by four little rat-like men.

The second is a room filled with savagely slaughtered corpses which appear to have been attending a feast. A dead man with the head of a wolf, wearing an iron crown and holding a leg of lamb like a king might hold a sceptre, sits at a throne, his eyes looking at Dany with mute appeal.

Now the next three rooms show the past and go further and further backwards.

The third room shows her old home in Braavos and Ser Willem Darry.

The fourth shows an old man on a barbed throne, saying to another man below him "Let him be king over charred bones and cooked meat," and "Let him be king of ashes.".

The fifth room, finally, shows a man very much alike her brother Viserys, except that he is taller and has eyes of dark indigo rather than lilac. He is speaking to a woman who is nursing a newborn babe, telling her that the child's name should be Aegon and saying that "What better name for a king?". The woman asks him if he will make a song for the child, and he replies that he has a song and that "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.". He appears to look at Dany then, as if seeing her, and then he adds that "There must be one more," and "The dragon has three heads.".

So Dany is going backwards, and there is no door on the right, but many on the left. And then comes the cold and something in the cold and the lights begin to go out. To go forward she must go back. And then it comes to Dany "The first door on the right, is the last door on the left." The perspective is in what direction you are facing and the same applies to those visions.

People are looking at a lot of things wrong both in the books and out. Azur, Nissa is described as who he loves most in this world. He slays her, choosing Duty over love. The Night's King is said to have loved the Night's Queen but he was of the watch he picks Love over Duty in both cases you get an extreme. All fire or all ice, and in neither case did we get the child who symbolizes balance. The child at the center of a black and white pearl, a child of light and night. We got fire or we got ice. Spring is not the hot summer or the cold winter, it is the time of rain, a dream, a Dream of Spring.

Something else, read the very end of the Undying. The doors two of them described like a mouth, Just like the door Bran used at the Night Fort after going down all those steps, just like Dany went up all those steps and ended up at a door shaped like a mouth.

If the Show is right then Dany ended up dealing with the Undying the blue cold dead and Bran will end up with the Others trying to kill him while he learns info on visions. In both cases a child of Rhaegar plays a prominent role in the vision. In Dany's case a Father and Bran's a Mother.

"Ahead of her a door like an open mouth."

And before she met the undying.

"When she stopped, she found herself in yet another dank stone chamber ... But this time the door opposite was round, shaped like an open mouth,"

From the door she enters a stair and up up up she goes. It's an inversion Bran just like the Shade trees and the Weirwood trees.

Where is she going? Well given the cyclical nature I would say she is headed to a door shaped like a mouth. It's like her rebirth cycles. When Dany lost her hair in pyre, the white ravens flew, summer was over and fall had arrived, when Dany lost her hair in Dance, which we don't find out until the last chapter just like in Thrones, what do we see in the epilogue? The white ravens fly, fall has ended and winter is here. She will lose her hair in fire one last time, when winter becomes spring. It's what she does, this mother of dragons, this breaker of chains, is above all a rescuer.

Tyrion just has the nephews confused.