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Post by moiaf on Mar 16, 2017 16:33:33 GMT -5
I'll join in! In no particular order: Gabriel García Márquez: One Hundred Years of Solitude (the ending gave me literal goosebumps) Joseph Heller: Catch-22 (to my surprise, I found that many people hate this book; not me, I loved its humour) Emily Bronte: Wuthering Heights (I'm a romantic at heart, I guess) Margaret Mitchell: Gone with the Wind (the story feels authentic and alive and Scarlett's such a unique character) Karel Čapek: War with the Newts (very creative; a book written in 1930 that predicts WWII) Angela Carter: The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories (horror and folktales!) Kazuo Ishiguro: The Remains of the Day (one of the best cases of unreliable narrator I've seen; very touching) Emma Donoghue: Room (a bit difficult to get into, but it turned out to be thrilling) James Clavell: King Rat (a story from a Japanese POW camp, not as long as other Clavell books; read it in two sittings) George RR Martin: A Game of Thrones (seems fitting, since it's my current obsession) I hate myself for the books I haven't included. This list is a compromise between highbrow/midbrow literature and what I actually enjoyed reading. EDIT: I displaced Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles, because I remembered James Clavell. An honorable mention to them. EDIT2: *remembers the existence of Jane Eyre and glares at the list**doesn't know who to push out* I'll rather let it be. Jane Eyre was very close to making my list and I was thinking of reading Room. Maybe II'll give it a try after all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 16:35:15 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as well read as most of you. Like I said when I was doing albums, I'm much more of a movie person. I'll give it a go though. I'm going to cheat and list series as one entry. They're really one big story anyway. I'm also including graphic novels. Deal with it. LotR ASoIaF First Law Dune Sandman Watchmen Essex County
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Post by konradsmith on Mar 16, 2017 16:46:22 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as well read as most of you. Like I said when I was doing albums, I'm much more of a movie person. I'll give it a go though. I'm going to cheat and list series as one entry. They're really one big story anyway. I'm also including graphic novels. Deal with it. LotR ASoIaF First Law Dune Sandman Watchmen Essex County I'd say graphic novels don't particularly fit as literature because they're defined more by the visual element rather than by prose. But I suppose once Nic's used his stuck out tongue emoticon there's no arguing with the guy. Plus Alan Moore has more interesting philosophical ideas in his work than most modern novelists with only a few exceptions. If I had to name some I'd say Batman: Year One From Hell Arkham Asylum would be the top few graphic novels I've read. With novels I'm not so much genre-prejudiced as I'm just a stickler about prose. Hence my sticking to the choices I made. While I do read other things than classics and whatnot, I can't say I like the writing itself. But genre fare has some of the best visuals, hence my complete lack of reservations about it in TV, movies and the few graphic novels I've read. Anywho. I don't want to get all elitist and shit but Kairos asked me to chime in and now I can't unring that bell.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 16:51:34 GMT -5
konradsmith I completely agree wrt Alan Moore. Much like Scorsese on the film side, he could be the majority of my list. I love From Hell, and I'd add his run on Swamp Thing (which many consider the best comics ever written), The Killing Joke, and V for Vendetta.
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Post by lojzelote on Mar 16, 2017 16:57:52 GMT -5
I'll join in! In no particular order: Gabriel García Márquez: One Hundred Years of Solitude (the ending gave me literal goosebumps) Joseph Heller: Catch-22 (to my surprise, I found that many people hate this book; not me, I loved its humour) Emily Bronte: Wuthering Heights (I'm a romantic at heart, I guess) Margaret Mitchell: Gone with the Wind (the story feels authentic and alive and Scarlett's such a unique character) Karel Čapek: War with the Newts (very creative; a book written in 1930 that predicts WWII) Angela Carter: The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories (horror and folktales!) Kazuo Ishiguro: The Remains of the Day (one of the best cases of unreliable narrator I've seen; very touching) Emma Donoghue: Room (a bit difficult to get into, but it turned out to be thrilling) James Clavell: King Rat (a story from a Japanese POW camp, not as long as other Clavell books; read it in two sittings) George RR Martin: A Game of Thrones (seems fitting, since it's my current obsession) I hate myself for the books I haven't included. This list is a compromise between highbrow/midbrow literature and what I actually enjoyed reading. EDIT: I displaced Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles, because I remembered James Clavell. An honorable mention to them. EDIT2: *remembers the existence of Jane Eyre and glares at the list**doesn't know who to push out* I'll rather let it be. Jane Eyre was very close to making my list and I was thinking of reading Room. Maybe II'll give it a try after all. You should! I know they adapted it into a movie recently, but I read it years ago as a random pick from a local library. The first few pages were a struggle until I got used to POV of a young child, but later on it was a ride and couldn't put it down.
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Post by Basil on Mar 16, 2017 17:06:37 GMT -5
Antoine de Saint-Exupery - The Little Prince <3 J. K. Rowling - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Mary Shelley - Frankenstein Susan Kay - Phantom George R. R. Martin - A Storm of Swords Harper Lee - To Kill A Mockingbird Charles Dickens - Oliver Twist Gaston Leroux - The Phantom of the Opera Stephen King - Misery Alexandre Dumas - The Three Musketeers Wow, I'm plesantly surprised to see someone who loved Order of Phoenix. For many people it seems to be simply the book Where Harry Was So Emo. I thought that Harry's response to what's going on felt very realistic (how much is a teenage boy supposed to take before it gets on his nerves?), and on the whole the HP world got so much darker, not only because of Voldemort, but the Ministry of Magic and easily impressionable public. Order of the Phoenix has always been my favourite Potter book. I mean, I'd be lying if I said that capslock Harry didn't annoy the hell out of me, but I think those moments of anger and frustration also made him a more complex character in a way. Order also gave us the most in-depth depiction of what day to day life in Hogwarts actually looks like, which I absolutely loved. And I love to hate Umbridge so much, she's such a great villain. Half-Blood Prince would be a close second for me, though that's mainly because I LOVE all the scenes between Harry and Dumbledore, as well as all the glimpses into Voldemort's past. Apart from that, everyday life in Hogwarts was kind of dull and forgettable in that book, but the climax is one of the most emotional parts in the entire series. What I don't like in any Harry Potter novel is the romance. I'm a sucker for romance in real life, but for some reason it has always felt weird and flat to me in Harry Potter.
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Post by lojzelote on Mar 16, 2017 18:20:11 GMT -5
Wow, I'm plesantly surprised to see someone who loved Order of Phoenix. For many people it seems to be simply the book Where Harry Was So Emo. I thought that Harry's response to what's going on felt very realistic (how much is a teenage boy supposed to take before it gets on his nerves?), and on the whole the HP world got so much darker, not only because of Voldemort, but the Ministry of Magic and easily impressionable public. Order of the Phoenix has always been my favourite Potter book. I mean, I'd be lying if I said that capslock Harry didn't annoy the hell out of me, but I think those moments of anger and frustration also made him a more complex character in a way. Order also gave us the most in-depth depiction of what day to day life in Hogwarts actually looks like, which I absolutely loved. And I love to hate Umbridge so much, she's such a great villain. Half-Blood Prince would be a close second for me, though that's mainly because I LOVE all the scenes between Harry and Dumbledore, as well as all the glimpses into Voldemort's past. Apart from that, everyday life in Hogwarts was kind of dull and forgettable in that book, but the climax is one of the most emotional parts in the entire series. What I don't like in any Harry Potter novel is the romance. I'm a sucker for romance in real life, but for some reason it has always felt weird and flat to me in Harry Potter. Haha, I think I'm probably the only person that felt bad for Harry instead of being pissed at him. My ranking of the series would be: The Best: 3 and 4 The Very Good: 1, 2, and 5 The Middling: 6 and 7 I don't want to claim that any of them were bad. In 6 I loved the beginning and the ending with the Inferi and you-know-which-character's death and the idea of Horcruxes, but the everyday life at Hogwarts missed me. All that talk of snogging, monsters in chest, and quiditch... I wanted more action, drama, and horror. I believe that JKR didn't have a plan how to resolve it and struggled with 7. I think she was going for the Horcruxes and the Peter Pettigrew effect with the Deathly Hallows and the reveal of what they are and who they belong to, but IMHO it felt a bit like asspull. The Peter Pettigrew reveal back in 3 was ingenious and I understand why we would never hear of Horcruxes before, but we should have had heard of the Deathly Hallows earlier, IMHO. I also really missed the Hogwarts. Still, it was good, and as opposed to many, I didn't hate the epilogue. I'm much less impressed with JKR's present work. I refuse to admit that the Cursed Child is canon. When I learnt about its plot the first time around, I though there must be a conspiracy to keep secret the true plotline, but nooooo. And the Fantastic Beasts... oh god. According to this newest addition to the lore, Harry should have died or become a deranged tornado before he got his Hogwarts letter. It's like she doesn't care what was established in the earlier canon anymore.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Mar 17, 2017 11:58:01 GMT -5
I never really had time for the classics. Maybe cause the ones we had to read in high school never resonated with me. I mostly just read historical fiction and some fantasy.
-Game of Thrones by GRRM -I, Claudius by Robert Graves -Bring up the Bodies by Hilary Mantel -The Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell -The Sunne in Splendour by Sharon Kay Penman -Blood Meridian by Cornac McCarthy -The First Man in Rome by Colleen McCullough -Fire from Heaven by Mary Renault -Julian by Gore Vidal -The Lord of the Rings by Tolkien
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 13:56:44 GMT -5
I am fancified? Sure, Mr "I haven't read anything good in recent years because good prose is so rare to come by". Well it is. It's like cheesecake in that respect. To me characterization, themes and plot have always been more important than prose. If the first three are excellent, I can accept prose that is not up to par with the greats. I'll join in! In no particular order: Gabriel García Márquez: One Hundred Years of Solitude (the ending gave me literal goosebumps) Joseph Heller: Catch-22 (to my surprise, I found that many people hate this book; not me, I loved its humour) Emily Bronte: Wuthering Heights (I'm a romantic at heart, I guess) Margaret Mitchell: Gone with the Wind (the story feels authentic and alive and Scarlett's such a unique character) Karel Čapek: War with the Newts (very creative; a book written in 1930 that predicts WWII) Angela Carter: The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories (horror and folktales!) Kazuo Ishiguro: The Remains of the Day (one of the best cases of unreliable narrator I've seen; very touching) Emma Donoghue: Room (a bit difficult to get into, but it turned out to be thrilling) James Clavell: King Rat (a story from a Japanese POW camp, not as long as other Clavell books; read it in two sittings) George RR Martin: A Game of Thrones (seems fitting, since it's my current obsession) I hate myself for the books I haven't included. This list is a compromise between highbrow/midbrow literature and what I actually enjoyed reading. EDIT: I displaced Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles, because I remembered James Clavell. An honorable mention to them. EDIT2: *remembers the existence of Jane Eyre and glares at the list**doesn't know who to push out* I'll rather let it be. I love Kazuo Ishiguro. The Remains of the Day is simply beautiful.
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Post by konradsmith on Mar 17, 2017 14:04:15 GMT -5
Well it is. It's like cheesecake in that respect. To me characterization, themes and plot have always been more important than prose. If the first three are excellent, I can accept prose that is not up to par with the greats. As in all things my concern tends to be the aesthetic of the writing. And if the words would work by themselves and be beautiful with absolutely no context. Which makes writing rather difficult for me because I'm not kind to my own writing as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:16:55 GMT -5
I'd say graphic novels don't particularly fit as literature because they're defined more by the visual element rather than by prose. That's actually a really interesting question that is being debated a lot. I think nowadays the term "literature" is more inclusive than it used to be (because of post-structuralist notions). Today literary prizes are awarded to graphic novels, they are the topic of literature classes at university and they have entered the literary canon of many literature departments (including the one I'm studying at). More conservative voices are belittling this development of course, but that doesn't change the fact that it has been happening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:25:10 GMT -5
To me characterization, themes and plot have always been more important than prose. If the first three are excellent, I can accept prose that is not up to par with the greats. As in all things my concern tends to be the aesthetic of the writing. And if the words would work by themselves and be beautiful with absolutely no context. Which makes writing rather difficult for me because I'm not kind to my own writing as a result. I get that, actually. But for some reason I only apply that way of thinking to poetry. Although words being beautiful with absolutely no context is one of the appealing qualities of modernist fiction. Virginia Woolf, T.S. Eliot, James Joyce... These authors used to terrify me but now I love them.
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Post by konradsmith on Mar 17, 2017 14:26:06 GMT -5
I'd say graphic novels don't particularly fit as literature because they're defined more by the visual element rather than by prose. That's actually a really interesting question that is being debated a lot. I think nowadays the term "literature" is more inclusive than it used to be (because of post-structuralist notions). Today literary prizes are awarded to graphic novels, they are the topic of literature classes at university and they have entered the literary canon of many literature departments (including the one I'm studying at). More conservative voices are belittling this development of course, but that doesn't change the fact that it has been happening. For me it's not anything against graphic novels. I'd actually like to be involved with writing one sometime because I have some ideas that I don't think I could translate into either film or prose. It's just that they're defined by different things so I'd put them in different categories. Though I guess it depends on how one is analyzing them. None of the English classes I took analyzed writing in a way I approved of, so I guess I don't greatly care what they teach under that umbrella anymore if they're not going to bother to do it right anyways. But I still want these definitions to be thorough enough to define the elements at play here. As for post-structuralism...
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Post by Diablotion on Mar 30, 2017 11:57:21 GMT -5
Just started reading Carl von Clausewitz's classic On War. As a massive history nerd, this will be a very pleasant read.
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Post by melrose on Apr 11, 2017 14:51:59 GMT -5
I want to play, too, if that's alright!
Here's my10 fave non-Greek books:
1. One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel García Márquez 2. The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter 3. The Secret History by Donna Tartt 4. Lolita by V. Nabokov 5. Harry Potter by JKR (cheating here and putting the whole series) 6. The Captive Prince by C.A. Pacat (cheating again) 7. His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman (so much cheating) 8. Autobiography in Red by Anne Carson (poetry/novel in verse) 9. LoTR by JRR Tolkien 10. The Beach by Garland and Honorary Mention: Storm of Swords, the best exampe of suspence in a book that I can think of.
I'm sure I forgot loads. I liked Middlesex and Wuthering Heights and the Bluest Eye and several Greek ones; but I think these are the ones I've reread the most and will prob reread again in the future.
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