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Post by wizzthesmith on Mar 2, 2017 16:00:54 GMT -5
There is an attack in place, led by Hosteen Frey and the Manderlys. This cavalry charge will most likely end sourly for the Freys, since the Manderlys might change sides and Stannis has according to some theorists, drilled holes in the lake. Not just the theorists, but Martin too. Or to be more specific a northerner sworn to House Glover called Ned Woods. [Really George, someone from the wolfswood called Ned Woods.] Having checked out the lake here is what he had to say to the Queens men present... That seems like a definite set up for Stannis to use the fragile lake to his advantage. Let's hope it's not the Manderly's that approach the Crofter's village from that side, Stannis would assume half the battle is done yet in reality his only hope just sunk to the bottom of that lake.
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Post by Diablotion on Mar 3, 2017 3:56:33 GMT -5
I think Jaime's endgame is to kill Cersei. Your idea of a trial by combat sounds interesting. Brienne would sacrifice herself and this would break Jaime in the long run. This would be tragic, but also great writing, since I don't really see anything special in Brienne's future. She's not going to kill Stannis and she's probably not going to find the Stark girls. She fails tragically and dies. Jaime escapes or then the Lannister forces find and rescue him. How can the BWB use Jaime? As a hostage? A diversion? The Lannisters will be pissed that their commander has disappeared. But we have seen the BWB fighting against the Lannisters before. Yeah I like the trial by combat idea too, it also brings in Oathkeeper and I feel like that sword will have a big impact somehow. Plus like you say it could work well within the narrative, tragic sacrifice leading to hero fulfilling unfinished promises etc... The BWB using Jaime is I think a possibility as the Lannister bannermen haven't gone home yet, and probably won't until Jaime is back or they receive orders to do so. So for plans to be made easier those lot need to get out of the Riverlands, or maybe they all get invited to Red Wedding 2.0? Either way they need Jaime either dead or more likely [imo] on board at some level. Get him to send the troops home and turn a blind eye? Send troops home and help take back Riverland's? Etc...There are many scenarios where his political influence would be useful. As you point out, it would be best not to piss off the Lannister retinue in the RL's. Who will do the ambush? Will the Blackfish meet LSH and will they co-operating? We know that Blackfish is an expert in scouting and hit and raid situations and he has sworn to protect Jeyne and probably Edmure as well. So I can imagine that he wants to lead this operation. What the Tullys/BWB need to do is to fire a volley of arrows and then their vanguard frees the prisoners and then they melt away into the woods. It should be over within minutes. Your idea about Blackfish leading the separated part of the BWB is good. I don't think the Blackfish would appreciate LSH. Would we have a POW view of the ambush or will we hear of it afterwards? What about the other prisoners (Greatjon, Piper etc.)? Are they still at the Twins or are they in the same convoy? We discussed Blackfish meeting LSH and came to the same conclusion as you, better leading the other half of the BWB rather than meet his messed up niece. Plus how hard would that scene be to write? Probably best to avoid it, but you never know. There are two parties to ambush [that's why I suggested paying the ransom on the prisoners from the Twins. Too many ambushes?] Jeyne and Edmure's party are heading west to the Crag/Casterly Rock, and the prisoners from the Twins are heading south east towards Kings Landing and most likely with a load of Frey's in tow. So Blackfish to lead attack on Jeyne/Edmure's party but not sure on the Twin's prisoners, with all those Frey's there it seems LSH's crew would be favourites. Maybe they barter the release of those prisoners without ransom in the meeting? Really there are loads of options. Is GRRM going to spoil us with a RW 2.0 AND a Prisoner breakout ambush? We have a wedding coming up with Daven Lannister. The sad part is, he seems like a decent Lannister. So this would be tragic, but it would suit GRRM's style for the BWB to attack the "wrong" Lannister. Walder Frey is a dead man walking, the question is, how will he die? If we get both, it's likely that at least 1 of these events will be a massive failure. Blackfish and co could all die in a failed ambush. Oh, a meeting between LSH, Howland, Galbart and Maege would be fascinating. So, do you think that Jaime will actually manage to fulfill an oath?
Good question. He has set up a scenario whereby he could give us two ambushes and a Red Wedding 2.0, it all seems too much so over to George I suppose. Please let us have all three Not likely though. There are multiple options however and therefore hope for a Riverland's resurgence in some guise. I agree Devan is caught in the middle, like you suggest typical George, and yes Walder has it coming. Not sure how, maybe the wedding?
We also have a huge wolf pack led by Arya/Nymeria that George said of.............
So that could be another way in to Riverland's [sort of GNC] awesomeness.
Cheers Hoarfrost Jaime betraying the Lannister cause seems quite odd to me. Even though he's going to want to fulfill his oath, I don't see him acting against his house quite yet. Not in such a drastic manner that he just gives up the Riverlands. Jaime might leave the RL and it just turns to shit soon afterwards. Who knows. The Oathkeeper will play a big role in this! What I think that will happen at the moment is, Jaime and Brienne are forced to fight each other, Brienne dies and Jaime walks freely. Will Jaime attend the wedding? I just don't think he's going to die in the Riverlands. He might be at Casterly Rock or King's Landing when one of these events (ambush 1, 2 or the wedding) happens. Unless they take him hostage and Cersei ransoms him (unlikely). Or if they swap Jaime for the safe release of ALL the prisoners? Yeah, I have to agree with you, there are too many ambushes. What's the time schedule for the prisoner transfer (the King's Landing one)? Could it be possible that IF we get a RW 2.0, they would still be at the Twins and they could break free and join the attackers. (If Greatjon doesn't literally break his chains, I will be disappointed ) What is your opinion on Greatjon Umber? Will he be set free and will he ever achieve anything major in the story? The wedding would be a brilliant way to kill of Walder, but is it too repetitive? What do you expect that the wolf pack can achieve? Hopefully nothing too major.
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Post by wizzthesmith on Mar 3, 2017 11:18:53 GMT -5
Jaime betraying the Lannister cause seems quite odd to me. Even though he's going to want to fulfill his oath, I don't see him acting against his house quite yet. Not in such a drastic manner that he just gives up the Riverlands. Jaime might leave the RL and it just turns to shit soon afterwards. Who knows. The Oathkeeper will play a big role in this! What I think that will happen at the moment is, Jaime and Brienne are forced to fight each other, Brienne dies and Jaime walks freely. Will Jaime attend the wedding? I just don't think he's going to die in the Riverlands. He might be at Casterly Rock or King's Landing when one of these events (ambush 1, 2 or the wedding) happens. Unless they take him hostage and Cersei ransoms him (unlikely). Or if they swap Jaime for the safe release of ALL the prisoners? Yeah I must say Jaime going totally against the Lannisters seems highly unlikely, but under duress from the BWB perhaps his hands are tied to some degree? Rather than give up the Riverlands outright, help them achieve some targets. As you say 'who knows?' there are many options and we're probably missing the one George will eventually choose. Swapping Jaime for the safe release of all the prisoners is a good idea, I still think LSH would want more from him though. Can't wait for TWOW so we can see what these schemes come to. What's the time schedule for the prisoner transfer (the King's Landing one)? Could it be possible that IF we get a RW 2.0, they would still be at the Twins and they could break free and join the attackers. (If Greatjon doesn't literally break his chains, I will be disappointed ) What is your opinion on Greatjon Umber? Will he be set free and will he ever achieve anything major in the story? The Twins to Kings Landing prisoner transfer is scheduled for later than Jeyne and Edmure's [which is already on the move] Edwyn Frey has to travel back to the Twins, inform Walder and organise the prisoners ready for moving. So yeah, quite a bit of time before they move for Kings Landing. Breaking free at a potential Red Wedding 2.0 would be great! But if I was Walder I would think twice about inviting the families of whom I currently have sons/fathers of in my dungeons. That is asking for a fight/breakout attempt I would've thought. Maybe the wedding will be at Riverun? Greatjon Umber is an awesome character but I think it's impossible to call whether or not he'll have more of a role. I certainly hope so. The Umbers are scheming up north and the Greatjon would be a superb addition. Let's hope he smashes those chains in one way or another. The wedding would be a brilliant way to kill of Walder, but is it too repetitive? What do you expect that the wolf pack can achieve? Hopefully nothing too major. Some might say too repetitive, others may say it is poetic justice. I'm not fussed either way, I would enjoy seeing him get what he deserves at a red wedding 2.0, but anywhere will do. As for the wolf pack, I had my authors hat on, it is another tool at his disposal if he wants mayhem and Frey/Lannister carnage in the Riverlands. Perhaps they could attack one of parties, that sort of thing. As I mentioned, George has a menace in his voice/tone when he says he hasn't just hung the wolf pack on the wall, I think he has something cool up his sleeve for Nymeria and co.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Mar 3, 2017 16:03:30 GMT -5
The wolves are going to rule the Riverlands, supping every night on Frey pies made my LSH. It is known (Sorry guys, it's been a long week.) I do feel that Nymeria and her pack have an important part to play, and I only hope it's to reconnect with Arya and head North. The cold is coming, and the wolves will be looking to find a steady food source. As the wars wind down in the Riverlands, the North will become our next battle zone. Jamie will only turn against the Lannisters when the stabs Cersei for burning the Sept, among other crimes. Her reign both through Tommen and then after will be brutal, and the valonqar isn't who she suspects. Whether or not Brienne will be involved in Cersei's death and Jamie's escape afterward I'm not sure. I'm not as certain of her journey in TWoW.
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Post by Diablotion on Mar 4, 2017 9:15:35 GMT -5
What's the time schedule for the prisoner transfer (the King's Landing one)? Could it be possible that IF we get a RW 2.0, they would still be at the Twins and they could break free and join the attackers. (If Greatjon doesn't literally break his chains, I will be disappointed ) What is your opinion on Greatjon Umber? Will he be set free and will he ever achieve anything major in the story? The Twins to Kings Landing prisoner transfer is scheduled for later than Jeyne and Edmure's [which is already on the move] Edwyn Frey has to travel back to the Twins, inform Walder and organise the prisoners ready for moving. So yeah, quite a bit of time before they move for Kings Landing. Breaking free at a potential Red Wedding 2.0 would be great! But if I was Walder I would think twice about inviting the families of whom I currently have sons/fathers of in my dungeons. That is asking for a fight/breakout attempt I would've thought. Maybe the wedding will be at Riverun? Greatjon Umber is an awesome character but I think it's impossible to call whether or not he'll have more of a role. I certainly hope so. The Umbers are scheming up north and the Greatjon would be a superb addition. Let's hope he smashes those chains in one way or another. Good to know! I heavily doubt that we'll get 2 ambushes. Perhaps the one with Edmure and Jeyne will succeed and the Freys refuse to risk the rest of the prisoners. How many prisoners do the Freys exactly have in the "King's Landing convoy"? I was just thinking that LSH would be more interested in a RW 2.0 than rescuing Edmure. So that would fall on Blackfish and she would attempt to take the Twins. A prisoner revolt is possible. He's one of my favorite minor characters! I'm sure he's fuming after the Freys killed his son. Seeing him fighting for Jon against the WW would be beautiful. The wedding would be a brilliant way to kill of Walder, but is it too repetitive? What do you expect that the wolf pack can achieve? Hopefully nothing too major. Some might say too repetitive, others may say it is poetic justice. I'm not fussed either way, I would enjoy seeing him get what he deserves at a red wedding 2.0, but anywhere will do. As for the wolf pack, I had my authors hat on, it is another tool at his disposal if he wants mayhem and Frey/Lannister carnage in the Riverlands. Perhaps they could attack one of parties, that sort of thing. As I mentioned, George has a menace in his voice/tone when he says he hasn't just hung the wolf pack on the wall, I think he has something cool up his sleeve for Nymeria and co. Matter of perspective. I don't know what to think about it yet. A failed RW 2.0 would be beautiful. Catelyn/LSH loses.. again. Hard to see how a wolfpack would play a major role. They might help the BWB or just attack random Freys. The wolves are going to rule the Riverlands, supping every night on Frey pies made my LSH. It is known (Sorry guys, it's been a long week.) I do feel that Nymeria and her pack have an important part to play, and I only hope it's to reconnect with Arya and head North. The cold is coming, and the wolves will be looking to find a steady food source. As the wars wind down in the Riverlands, the North will become our next battle zone. Jamie will only turn against the Lannisters when the stabs Cersei for burning the Sept, among other crimes. Her reign both through Tommen and then after will be brutal, and the valonqar isn't who she suspects. Whether or not Brienne will be involved in Cersei's death and Jamie's escape afterward I'm not sure. I'm not as certain of her journey in TWoW. Pff.. Frey-piesâ„¢ are patented to house Manderly. It is known. With Arya, yes, but I can't see them doing anything on their own. Even when Arya is warging them. Jaime will strangle/stab Cersei as he tries to stop the Mad Queen, but this time, he isn't able to stop it and he dies embracing his dead sister as the wildfire destroys them and the rest of the city. Talking about house Manderly and Wyman. He's one of the most fascinating minor characters and he's trying to outsmart the Boltons. Will he succeed? His last surviving son is free and safe at White Harbor, so I can guess that gives him free hands to operate. He's loyal, but I think he's also very ambitious. If he succeeds, and Rickon is installed as the Lord of Winterfell or even the KitN, he will most likely get named regent and could rule through Rickon. This would make house Manderly by far the most powerful house in the North. Quite the gamble to make, but Wyman is a gambler. So, that's his goal, but will he succeed? Who is allying with him? What is he going to do at WF? Can Stannis trust him? So many questions to answer.
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Post by wizzthesmith on Mar 4, 2017 20:03:31 GMT -5
Matter of perspective. I don't know what to think about it yet. A failed RW 2.0 would be beautiful. Catelyn/LSH loses.. again. Hard to see how a wolfpack would play a major role. They might help the BWB or just attack random Freys. Ha, exactly. While not directly GNC, but regarding my mentioning the wolves, there's a good example of the kind of thing I mean in ASOS when Arya dreams of the wolf pack attacking men in the Riverlands. It is subtle but this dream is actually happening in real time. After escaping Harrenhal some of the mummers were sent to find Arya and co...tired and in need of sleep [unaware the mummers are making good time] Arya and the crew decide to rest. Again this dream is Arya actually seeing through the eyes of current timeline Nymeria as she sleeps.... Our first potential clue that Arya is present within Nymeria is the accurate description that the pale man was Lyseni, the dark brutal man from Ib, but most importantly she/they knew Iggo's name. This comes from Arya's experience with the mummers, Nymeria wouldn't know this information. This is the early stages of wolf dreaming/skinchanging and therefore Arya doesn't/can't influence Nymeria's decision making as such [yet] but the text points to her presence nevertheless, even if she is actually asleep a few miles away. George then subtly tells us 'she' is hunting them, 'she' is not just a girl but a huge wolf. Again this insinuates her presence as she is fully aware of her animal state, but at this early stage with no real influence in skinchanging terms she thinks it just a dream. But we as readers know through Bran and Summer's experiences that she can actually control Nymeria, but she is still learning. The best is yet to come. The pack attacking and the brutal finishing of Iggo I highlighted to show how badass it could get. But again 'she' attacked in rage and 'exulted' at the outcome. Is this Nym's happy at a kill and revenge for her 'sisters', or is it Arya happy that the disgusting mummers got what they had coming, dream or no. I think a bit of both, they are as one. Again, we as readers know this is how the mummers died, but Arya isn't fully aware of that fact. She actually had no knowledge of who was coming after her from Harrenhal. Imagine if for some reason they turned back and found the corpses, Arya would be freaked out. Well maybe not, she's hard as nails that girl. Hope that gives you an idea of what I'm thinking Hoarfrost. Arya being fully aware of who she sees when inhabiting Nymeria and can therefore act on this appropriately as an improved skinchanger. [The pack seems to follow whatever Nymeria does, so a semblance of organisation there as well] What I really want is for Walder to have to travel to the wedding [or for some other reason] Arya/Nymeria see him, and take down not only him but the whole lot of his retinue. We can dream.
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Post by sercreighton on Mar 6, 2017 23:48:45 GMT -5
Here is a link to the Riverlands section of the GNC written by ladygwynhyfvar of Radio Westeros, you may recognise some of the research. I also hope to have added a little depth with the Piper & Vance angle and quotes. The link directs you to her website which is absolutely worth a read if you haven't before, highly recommended!!
This is the first essay I read that inspired me to go and do my own 'close reading' and researching of the text. For that I am most grateful, thanks ladygwynhyfvar .
ladygwynhyfvar.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/gnc/ Ah, the GNC, Lady G is good people, for the record, only I call her lady G. We have a torrid history of Sugar free Gummy bears and Sanka, you gotta earn the right to call her Lady G, you also have to know who Terry and Puddles are. Miss her, she used to tell me bed time stories, her and Yolkboy. She is good people, though I don't go much with the GNC and I had to break one of it's many revisions. Not her fault others ran with a core idea she had and turned it into a circus. When they had the Tyrells secretly plotting to put John on the throne it had to go down. Outside of that she is an insightful doll from Bean town and we had fun on the the R+L thread for years. Now you made me miss the old gang.
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Post by wizzthesmith on Mar 10, 2017 16:29:41 GMT -5
Ah, the GNC, Lady G is good people, for the record, only I call her lady G. We have a torrid history of Sugar free Gummy bears and Sanka, you gotta earn the right to call her Lady G, you also have to know who Terry and Puddles are. Miss her, she used to tell me bed time stories, her and Yolkboy. She is good people, though I don't go much with the GNC and I had to break one of it's many revisions. Not her fault others ran with a core idea she had and turned it into a circus. When they had the Tyrells secretly plotting to put John on the throne it had to go down. Outside of that she is an insightful doll from Bean town and we had fun on the the R+L thread for years. Now you made me miss the old gang. Haha I'm afraid I cannot offer you Gummy Bears or Sanka [which is coffee apparently?] neither do I know who Terry and Puddles are. Though I could read you a bed time story if you so desired [One of Old Nan's scary one's of course] I have seen you around as they say, which makes sense you being one of the old gang and all. I was a season three newbie and soon realised where all the solid analysis was, so went searching/reading the old posts/threads. I missed the era of ladygwynhyfvar and Yolkboy etc... but enjoyed the hunt for some of the best analysis out there on the forums nevertheless. Although it has led to an addiction that I'm finding hard to kick. I'm truly sorry I made you miss the old gang, let's hope the good people in question ride in on the winds of winter to continue enlightening us all. Or we could look into how we get to Bean town? :tardis: Cheers sercreighton
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Post by sercreighton on Mar 17, 2017 22:13:57 GMT -5
Ah, the GNC, Lady G is good people, for the record, only I call her lady G. We have a torrid history of Sugar free Gummy bears and Sanka, you gotta earn the right to call her Lady G, you also have to know who Terry and Puddles are. Miss her, she used to tell me bed time stories, her and Yolkboy. She is good people, though I don't go much with the GNC and I had to break one of it's many revisions. Not her fault others ran with a core idea she had and turned it into a circus. When they had the Tyrells secretly plotting to put John on the throne it had to go down. Outside of that she is an insightful doll from Bean town and we had fun on the the R+L thread for years. Now you made me miss the old gang. Haha I'm afraid I cannot offer you Gummy Bears or Sanka [which is coffee apparently?] neither do I know who Terry and Puddles are. Though I could read you a bed time story if you so desired [One of Old Nan's scary one's of course] I have seen you around as they say, which makes sense you being one of the old gang and all. I was a season three newbie and soon realised where all the solid analysis was, so went searching/reading the old posts/threads. I missed the era of ladygwynhyfvar and Yolkboy etc... but enjoyed the hunt for some of the best analysis out there on the forums nevertheless. Although it has led to an addiction that I'm finding hard to kick. I'm truly sorry I made you miss the old gang, let's hope the good people in question ride in on the winds of winter to continue enlightening us all. Or we could look into how we get to Bean town? :tardis: Cheers sercreighton Enjoy yourself that's what is important, but always remember when studying this stuff Ser Creighton is always right. At least in my own head. I think they still do analysis on youtube with LML and some others, a link should be in LML's sig, if not just ask him he loves talking about the books and is really nice. We have our differences on the source material but he can also give really good insight. He used to and still may do a round about with them. I am semi retired from analysis till Winds comes out, I tend to only work with moiaf these days and she can always give some excellent insight. But both of us kind hit our mark and now it's like the rest we wait and we see. I am a firm believer that it's not enough to focus on the individual characters, but that you need to focus on all of them as an overarching plot, the intersecting plot lines of the series are the story and everyone has their own story within. Martin develops characters the same way he develops world, lots of in depth detail and immersion. He wants you to be emotionally connected on a deep level, with them and the world.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Jul 27, 2017 14:15:44 GMT -5
There is an attack in place, led by Hosteen Frey and the Manderlys. This cavalry charge will most likely end sourly for the Freys, since the Manderlys might change sides and Stannis has according to some theorists, drilled holes in the lake. I caught that on my first read-through...GRRM loves Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn and a battle was won in that series by sinking an army on a frozen lake...incidentally, a turncloak sacrificed himself to lure the army out there.... (there are lots of other easter eggs in the series too...a sword called Needle, a prince with one hand, a man with a hound's helm. GRRM even named two of his characters Josua and Elias..I could go on for ages)Anyway, I saw that set-up immediately and believe that the lake is going to swallow an army, to benefit Stannis. If you haven't read this series, do so. It is more predictable than ASoIaF, but still really well done. I also think Arya/Nymeria's wolf pack will have something to do with disrupting a wedding. When the Freys described the events of the Red Wedding, they said that Robb and his bannermen changed into wolves and started killing the peaceful Freys. So, I think they are going to actually experience this. The logical place would be Daven's wedding at Riverrun. Especially since the BwB is in place and waiting.
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