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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 11:42:14 GMT -5
The thing is Jon and Sansa do not fit together as two individuals, emotions of being raised together. Their relationship is the one of distrust, prejudice that dates back to their childhood. Jon looking after Ned and Sansa after Cat. First of all it would be a bit creepy for Jon to pin over Cat 2.0 given what Cat did to him from an emotional point of view. It has to be resolved in the future and I believe it will once Jon's parentage comes out to light - Jon and Sansa will trust and be more united than ever. If people want to see it as sexual, they can do it but show will not go this way. Dany and Jon complement each other far more as characters and whre one has strength the other has weakness. This is something I think that Jonsa shippers forget. Not only did they have a difficult childhood together, with her following her mother's lead, they are two completely different people now. All it takes is looking at what Sansa wants to do with the Karstarks and Umbers compared to Jon. Or even who they view the primary threat as. They don't think on the same wave length as Jon and Dany will. It's one thing having conflicting ideals and methods with family, but with a partner? There would be too much conflict between them because they won't agree. Punishing children for the sins of their fathers is something Jon would never do and Dany is learning in the books to change her views on the Starks. Their view of the threat is also important because Jon is pushing them to prepare for the white walkers and Sansa wants to deal with Cersei. I wonder why did they not included some scene with them talking about the white walkers but then it might complicate things because the Boltons were the main concern for them. Jon won't get any sweet ending, you can be sure of that. George likes to torture our favourite bastard and the rest of our characters. I feel you guys and girls are setting yourself up for a dissapointing conclusion. No doubt Jonerys will be epic, key, beautiful in every aspect and I'll enjoy every bit of it - but good things do not last in this world for a very long. More i read about the happy ending from people around me for them, more depressing iam, because knowing George we won't get that. I don't see how this makes them annoying. I know some fellow Jonerys shipper who gives us a bad rep. I don't blame Jon and Arya shippers and to be honest withyou - I was one of them long time ago before picking up on Dany and Jon. Books do have certain hints supporting possible outcome - which brother would think about Arya every time there is a sexual situation or undertone to it? It could be a tribute to the original version but nothing more than that. George originally wanted to go there with Jon and Arya. I think show will adapt og outline it with Jon, Dany and Tyrion. OG Lads leaks suggest or hint at Tyrion having a thing for Dany which Cersei calls him out on. He's also not happy with Dany and Jon getting closer. Calling Jon/Sansa gross is not a word I would use. It can be easily turned around on us who ships Jon/Dany - both are legal but icky due to incest to the other party or level of shared genes. These relationships were fairly normal at that time in medieval Europe and Westeros cousins/aunt and nephew. I don't want to take high moral ground here over Jonsa shippers because this is simply not a place for it. I'd rather take a different stance of why it will not be happening. The thing is Jon and Sansa do not fit together as two individuals, emotions of being raised together. Their relationship is the one of distrust, prejudice that dates back to their childhood. Jon looking after Ned and Sansa after Cat. First of all it would be a bit creepy for Jon to pin over Cat 2.0 given what Cat did to him from an emotional point of view. It has to be resolved in the future and I believe it will once Jon's parentage comes out to light - Jon and Sansa will trust and be more united than ever. If people want to see it as sexual, they can do it but show will not go this way. Dany and Jon complement each other far more as characters and whre one has strength the other has weakness. I find it annoying, because on the show there is no indication for Jonarya or Jonsa whatsoever. Like 0%. I don't even ship Jonerys, but the show has so obviously set up the entire story for that ship that I can't even begin to fathom how anyone could seriously think Jonarya is still going to happen. Some people argue for this ship with a persistency that is quite frankly irritating and they write rants after rants about how much they hate Sansa. I'm sure it happens the other way around too (Jonsa shippers with regard to Arya). And it annoys the shit out of me. Look, I don't mind crackships. If people have fun with it, then I say go for it. But let's not pretend they're canon. They're not. I never used the word "gross" by the way. Ps: The books have a much deeper psychology. GRRM likes to go all Freudian with his characters, but I don't see it as foreshadowing. A sexual undertone in a scene can have a multidude of meanings that have nothing to do with "character X wanting to bang character Y". People use the books and the original outline. Mainly passages from the books and I have to say there is something to it but show is going away from it. I don't like when they twist everything tofit into their own ideas, this is what could be described as annoying from them. I thought you used the word gross or maybe it was someone, else my apoligies for the mistake.
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Post by belle on May 28, 2017 12:10:05 GMT -5
lmao this season is going to be rough for the cersei haters. like i can understand thinking that she'll lose against dany. but you think they would have realized by now that she's not the type to go down easily
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 12:13:06 GMT -5
lmao this season is going to be rough for the cersei haters. like i can understand thinking that she'll lost against dany. but you think they would have realized by now that she's not the type to go down easilySo the leak was wrong?
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Post by belle on May 28, 2017 12:16:38 GMT -5
lmao this season is going to be rough for the cersei haters. like i can understand thinking that she'll lost against dany. but you think they would have realized by now that she's not the type to go down easilySo the leak was wrong? lmao oh you..
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 12:38:05 GMT -5
Perhaps this is just down to the parts of the Internet I tend to visit, but the focus/disdain Jonsa shippers have got on here lately has really baffled me because I can honestly say I haven't seen any If I didn't know any better, I'd have said they were everywhere from the way y'all were talking. (I'm not defending them btw, Jonsa is a really weird ship that I do. Not. See.)
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Post by belle on May 28, 2017 12:42:11 GMT -5
Perhaps this is just down to the parts of the Internet I tend to visit, but the focus/disdain Jonsa shippers have got on here lately has really baffled me because I can honestly say I haven't seen any If I didn't know any better, I'd have said they were everywhere from the way y'all were talking. (I'm not defending them btw, Jonsa is a really weird ship that I do. Not. See.) its really hard to avoid on tumblr.
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Post by Lils on May 28, 2017 12:52:23 GMT -5
Perhaps this is just down to the parts of the Internet I tend to visit, but the focus/disdain Jonsa shippers have got on here lately has really baffled me because I can honestly say I haven't seen any If I didn't know any better, I'd have said they were everywhere from the way y'all were talking. (I'm not defending them btw, Jonsa is a really weird ship that I do. Not. See.) its really hard to avoid on tumblr. It's everywhere on tumblr.
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Post by belle on May 28, 2017 12:59:19 GMT -5
its really hard to avoid on tumblr. It's everywhere on tumblr. so many fics on AO3 too....
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Post by Envie on May 28, 2017 12:59:59 GMT -5
Perhaps this is just down to the parts of the Internet I tend to visit, but the focus/disdain Jonsa shippers have got on here lately has really baffled me because I can honestly say I haven't seen any If I didn't know any better, I'd have said they were everywhere from the way y'all were talking. (I'm not defending them btw, Jonsa is a really weird ship that I do. Not. See.) its really hard to avoid on tumblr. Yeah, I tend to stay away from tumblr unless someone here links a good one with gifs or something. The fan-fic over there in tumblr can get pretty weird. Like @fireandblood said, it probably depends on the areas of the internet you frequent what sorts of haters or shippers you'll run across. Like r/freefolk, tumblr has it's own unique culture, to put it nicely.
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Post by sercreighton on May 28, 2017 13:19:18 GMT -5
Perhaps this is just down to the parts of the Internet I tend to visit, but the focus/disdain Jonsa shippers have got on here lately has really baffled me because I can honestly say I haven't seen any If I didn't know any better, I'd have said they were everywhere from the way y'all were talking. (I'm not defending them btw, Jonsa is a really weird ship that I do. Not. See.) I have not seen much of it recently but I don't go looking for it either. Just remember when it and the Arya thing started and was in many debates arguing those. A friend from another site who is a woman was sort of obbsessed with Arya getting bigger boobs and wowing Jon. It was a strange argument but Arya was her fav and I never took either that seriously. But over the years we have probably all seen some strange theories. One I recall and forget the name of was a fan had Jon dying and coming back which is pretty normal, but he was coming back as half Ned Stark and Half Drogo. It was called something like Khal Ned or something and the fan was dead serious. There was also the one that had Sansa becoming a wizard and the mother of Dragons because Bran saw a large bat skeleton in BL's cave and Sansa was sort of the lady of HH. I thought they had bats in the bell free but they were serious if only people could just see the truth of her power. And that wass from some of the more respected Sansa fans on AFOIAF. A lot of times certain posters who tell people what they want to hear end up getting a following and people believe what they say as fact because they have a big following of people who want the same things they do. Never my cup of tea, I told people what I interpreted from the writing weather I liked it or not. Made me rather controversial, and people would take disagreements personal. People can have the truth or they can be happy, because ignorance can be bliss, unfortunately the truth usually comes out. Though I admit I enjoy watching Club denial scramble with theories or claim the show and book endings will be totally different and one has nothing to do with the other. I am sure some Jonsa fans are scrambling, but I am also sure some have come to terms with reality as well. I mean Dany haters like Preston who have been totally wrong year after year are still trying to convince people they are right. Though most of what he did was steal others conclusions and then try to spin theories that made no sense to get to the conclusion and thus take credit for them. The fan base is full of people desperate for one thing or another, to be right, to have the story go their way, to be recognized, some think if their theories are right it will lead them down a path of bliss where the world acknowledged their greatness and blah, blah, blah you will all see. Personally I just wanted to crush a specific group of Dany haters, see them driven before me and to here the lementation of the Dany fans. Mission accomplished. I think one of them is still floating around out there, "JQC" but she hass become the crazy person babbling nonsense nex to the temple of the false gods. Not that she was ever normal, thought she would some day hook up with Book Jon. So many good stories about this kind of thing. Oh where have all the Paperweavers of the fan base gone? I miss the flame wars.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 28, 2017 13:41:08 GMT -5
lmao this season is going to be rough for the cersei haters. like i can understand thinking that she'll lost against dany. but you think they would have realized by now that she's not the type to go down easilySo the leak was wrong? (I wanted an excuse to use this gif)
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Post by alcasinoroyale on May 28, 2017 14:26:55 GMT -5
I was confused for a Jonsa shipper once because I said Jon and Sansa were two of my favorites. I didn't care about either of them until ASOS/S4, but I don't like the idea of them being together, especially when they've grown up as siblings and that's how it should stay.
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Post by sercreighton on May 28, 2017 14:56:25 GMT -5
I was confused for a Jonsa shipper once because I said Jon and Sansa were two of my favorites. I didn't care about either of them until ASOS/S4, but I don't like the idea of them being together, especially when they've grown up as siblings and that's how it should stay. Can you blame them though, think about it. First they had Joff, then they got book Tyrion, and while he was nice to her they wanted someone a little taller and less forced on her. So they shipped her with the Hound, then LF came into play and they didn't like the slimy. Along the Way you had the bard/rapist, Dontos, Sweet Robin, and on the show Ramsey. Even with the incest and sibling relationship he would still be a step up compared to the rest. Plus he is a super important character who is central to the plot, and Kit is very attractive. Harry is an option in the books but you can smell his Robert like nature from a mile away. Essentially she has been given options her fans think of as shit and they want more for her and Jon is the big catch. You could also probably figure that it would take away from Dany's story and that would also make them happy. Personally, she is Married to Tyrion and like her mother will learn to love her true husband. Sansa Tyrion = Tansa? Stynsa? Stanis? It means something. Probably part of the deal Jon makes with Dany, this way he can get rid of Sansa who wants to challenge his claim with her BFF LF. He will turn her over to Tyrion and she will live at the Rock and give him at least a dozen babies to rebuild his house. Or maybe he has her marry Sweet Robin? The Vale is lovely. Though she better get used to breast feeding real quick. Or maybe she tries to hook up with Gendry and Arya offs her. You know Sansa Gendry could happen on the show, Dany could legitimize Gendry, Arya has no plans for anything like that, and their really isn't anyone else at least on the show and that is if she even ends up with anyone outside her real husband Tyrion.
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Post by nikma on May 28, 2017 15:08:19 GMT -5
I agree that Tyrion is Sansa's endgame.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on May 28, 2017 15:36:40 GMT -5
The tinfoil is abundant on tumblr, and some of the theories out there border on psychopathic. Just because the twin Lannisters have a thang, doesn't mean ever family in the neighborhood is filled with rampant incest. Jon is only out of the Night's Watch on a technicality, and Sansa has already endured two horrific examples of marriage. Honestly, why would she even want a man at this stage of her life? I've always suspected she ended up with Theon, as it would be nice and sexless, but that's just how I would feel after marriage to Ramsey Bolton.
If Arya must end up with someone, I'd want it to be Gendry. He could trade the Stormslands for something closer to Winterfell, and they could work together. Gendry can make the weapons of death, an Arya can be the salesperson/demonstration model. Really, I do think they would make a nice compliment to each other.
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