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Post by konradsmith on Jul 31, 2017 6:52:24 GMT -5
That's Sansa's old handmaiden who reported her period to Cersei in 207 and reported Shae to her in 401 who we saw walk in on Jaime and Cersei there. In s6 she'd risen to be Cersei's handmaiden. And now she's dressing like her boss and even has the same haircut. For as much recasting as this show does, it's always good when a very minor role remains consistent. Since this post got more of a response than I'd expect, I'll add this detail; according to IMDB her name is Bernadette. Maybe named for Bernie Caulfield, one of the producers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 7:02:15 GMT -5
I had a night's sleep and time to gather my thoughts on Bran. Last time we saw him in S6, he was still relatively new to this 3ER-gig of his, so he was still more or less the Bran we knew and loved. But now that some time has passed, I think it makes sense for him to be very detached and distant. He is almost omniscient now. It would be surprising if that didn't change his personality. Knowing almost everything is bound to make you feel like everything is relative, like nothing is a big deal anymore, because there is always something that is larger and more important. He is losing himself in the bigger picture. That is what being the 3ER does to you. You lose your individuality and become transcendent. I'm not sure if this is what I wanted for Bran, but I can't say that I'm surprised by this development. It makes a lot of sense.
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Post by breakfest on Jul 31, 2017 7:08:08 GMT -5
Yeah the Three-Eyed Raven warned him about spending too long in the weirwoods. Without him there's been nothing to stop Bran drowning himself in all this information. Makes sense he would get like this, shame though it is.
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Post by breakfest on Jul 31, 2017 7:12:12 GMT -5
Anyone got any of them inside the episode videos? *brushes crack off face*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 7:17:30 GMT -5
Has it been mentioned already how fucking useless Varys is suddenly?
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Post by Envie on Jul 31, 2017 7:28:46 GMT -5
In Winterfell, there is that beautiful moment between Sansa and Bran that confirms nothing will ever be the same, not in Winterfell, not anywhere. This is really a key moment for the Starks and I think we're starting to see that "Bittersweet" theme GRRM has said would be the ending. Every single Stark (well every single main character really) has gone through such a long journey and irreversible change to their character. It's not surprising that even though she suffered the worst brutality at the hands of her captors and keepers, Sansa is pretty much the most 'normal' one at this point! Exactly worded here by katjushka: I thought it would be Arya at the gates and felt that Bran was a little off with his reactions to Sansa but very emotional scenes the ones they shared. I bet Sansa's thinking that her brothers are the weirdest Jon always talks about ice zombies and now Bran thinks he can see everything Like is she the only normal one in the family? They've saved their family name and home but they are all forever changed. Sansa clearly is not ready to face what happened to her with Ramsay and having Bran know about it is terrible for her, emotionally. This is her baby brother she thought was dead. To have him return so vastly different and wisened to the point he's thousands of years old in spirit now... that's a bummer and scary stuff for her. She doesn't WANT to face what happened and would prefer no one knows about it (except Theon of course). I think in time it will help her heal though. It was just really shocking to see Bran so cold and distant. But two things make me also sad about her. Once she told Ellaria that she can't sleep at night and plans her revenge over and over. And that she (cause I guess it was her order or unspoken suggestion) make her maiden looks like mini-Cersei. These two things show how huge her pain still is, how she didn't cope with her emotions, pain, humiliation. Yes! They gave Cersei some more rare moments of underlying emotion and I LOVE IT. There, in that room with a woman she knows is never going to see the light of day again, Cersei stripped off her evil queen mask and allowed herself some vulnerability. Beautifully written and it makes you see some of her motivations are justified if not sane. The way she almost cried out when she said "Why did you do that?!" to Ellaria about taking Myrcella from her. That was raw. Lena is a goddess at playing every tiny facet and detail of how complicated Cersei really is. Cersei is not a one-dimensional villain and I think everyone could sympathize with her pain and need for revenge at that moment. Ellaria took her daughter from her for no good reason other than pure hatred. Cersei instead showed some emotion and visible restraint when she took Ellaria's daughter in return. Also really glad that Dany has admitted that she WAS raped by Drogo. It might be that show finally is adressing this myth that it was her one true love. Wow I'm just venturing out into social media land to look at remarks and I'm apalled at what people are saying about Daenerys. I have not seen this level of hate up to this point. I'm guessing it's her confronting Jon that has people frothing at the mouth today. I'm glad they addressed it as well. She broke down some barriers there with that commanding speech she gave Jon Snow. It was meant to be intimidating but I think it showed a bit of vulnerability too. She's telling him she believes in herself despite everything that happened. This goes back to Missandei's advice not to take everyone else's advice and to do what Dany feels is the right thing to do in her heart. I'm so very glad we have this safe haven because WOW the hate is strong outside the red door my friends. Stay in here where your words will be respected even if disagreed with. Was Dany being a bit hypocritical in her demands of Jon bending the knee and acknowledging her rulership when her Father had struck the first blow against the Starks? Yes, but she asked forgiveness and not being judged by the sins of her father. The fandom is going nuts here and totally missing the point. Jon Snow forgave the Karstarks and Umbers and refused to punish the son/daughter of those men for the sins of their father. Here's Dany asking the same thing to Jon Snow and people absolutely HATE her. Sad how far off the mark people are about it.
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Post by Lordimp on Jul 31, 2017 7:46:55 GMT -5
Melisandre going to Volantis and returning to Westeros one last time. Hmm, wonder if she brings an army of fire worshippers for the final battle.
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Post by charliexcx on Jul 31, 2017 8:05:18 GMT -5
In Winterfell, there is that beautiful moment between Sansa and Bran that confirms nothing will ever be the same, not in Winterfell, not anywhere. This is really a key moment for the Starks and I think we're starting to see that "Bittersweet" theme GRRM has said would be the ending. Every single Stark (well every single main character really) has gone through such a long journey and irreversible change to their character. It's not surprising that even though she suffered the worst brutality at the hands of her captors and keepers, Sansa is pretty much the most 'normal' one at this point! Exactly worded here by katjushka : I thought it would be Arya at the gates and felt that Bran was a little off with his reactions to Sansa but very emotional scenes the ones they shared. I bet Sansa's thinking that her brothers are the weirdest Jon always talks about ice zombies and now Bran thinks he can see everything Like is she the only normal one in the family? They've saved their family name and home but they are all forever changed. Sansa clearly is not ready to face what happened to her with Ramsay and having Bran know about it is terrible for her, emotionally. This is her baby brother she thought was dead. To have him return so vastly different and wisened to the point he's thousands of years old in spirit now... that's a bummer and scary stuff for her. She doesn't WANT to face what happened and would prefer no one knows about it (except Theon of course). I think in time it will help her heal though. It was just really shocking to see Bran so cold and distant. But two things make me also sad about her. Once she told Ellaria that she can't sleep at night and plans her revenge over and over. And that she (cause I guess it was her order or unspoken suggestion) make her maiden looks like mini-Cersei. These two things show how huge her pain still is, how she didn't cope with her emotions, pain, humiliation. Yes! They gave Cersei some more rare moments of underlying emotion and I LOVE IT. There, in that room with a woman she knows is never going to see the light of day again, Cersei stripped off her evil queen mask and allowed herself some vulnerability. Beautifully written and it makes you see some of her motivations are justified if not sane. The way she almost cried out when she said "Why did you do that?!" to Ellaria about taking Myrcella from her. That was raw. Lena is a goddess at playing every tiny facet and detail of how complicated Cersei really is. Cersei is not a one-dimensional villain and I think everyone could sympathize with her pain and need for revenge at that moment. Ellaria took her daughter from her for no good reason other than pure hatred. Cersei instead showed some emotion and visible restraint when she took Ellaria's daughter in return. Also really glad that Dany has admitted that she WAS raped by Drogo. It might be that show finally is adressing this myth that it was her one true love. Wow I'm just venturing out into social media land to look at remarks and I'm apalled at what people are saying about Daenerys. I have not seen this level of hate up to this point. I'm guessing it's her confronting Jon that has people frothing at the mouth today. I'm glad they addressed it as well. She broke down some barriers there with that commanding speech she gave Jon Snow. It was meant to be intimidating but I think it showed a bit of vulnerability too. She's telling him she believes in herself despite everything that happened. This goes back to Missandei's advice not to take everyone else's advice and to do what Dany feels is the right thing to do in her heart. I'm so very glad we have this safe haven because WOW the hate is strong outside the red door my friends. Stay in here where your words will be respected even if disagreed with. Was Dany being a bit hypocritical in her demands of Jon bending the knee and acknowledging her rulership when her Father had struck the first blow against the Starks? Yes, but she asked forgiveness and not being judged by the sins of her father. The fandom is going nuts here and totally missing the point. Jon Snow forgave the Karstarks and Umbers and refused to punish the son/daughter of those men for the sins of their father. Here's Dany asking the same thing to Jon Snow and people absolutely HATE her. Sad how far off the mark people are about it. Yeah i don't get the Dany hate. But anyone who challenges Jon Snow the fandom hates them. I saw people hating on Sansa HARD last episode. As much as I love the fandom, they are a bunch of hypocrites.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 31, 2017 8:10:34 GMT -5
Oh, I've always noticed. But I felt like they went really heavy handed with it for the GA in this episode. They needed to say it a bit louder for the people in the back. I was reading some reviews and there are people who still don't get it. I saw this on reddit, this is from the "expert" reviewer:
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Post by moiaf on Jul 31, 2017 8:11:33 GMT -5
NGL there has been far too much Sam for me this year. His storyline has its charms, but I don't want it in every episode lol. Greyscale better be important in the next season or we have just been wasting a lot of time on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 8:13:23 GMT -5
Melisandre going to Volantis and returning to Westeros one last time. Hmm, wonder if she brings an army of fire worshippers for the final battle. Hopefully Kinvara.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 31, 2017 8:16:22 GMT -5
Varys' true origin is teased on more than on one occasion. This was also the second time a Red Priestess has rattled his chain and shook him up with foreshadowing of his past and his destiny/purpose. I think he was playing smug and accusatory (the same as he did with Kinvara) until Mel turned the tables on him and let him know he's going to die there like her. I want more than ever to know BOTH of their backgrounds! Also, I'm so very glad they went with a guilty confession from Mel. She could have played it off with Varys but she told the truth without actually saying what happened. She admitted she made mistakes. I appreciated that and Carice did a good job continuing the sad/defeated Melisandre journey. This was very nice to see. She's almost like a completely different character but it's on point with what she experience, her dissolution etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 8:18:25 GMT -5
Another thing that I noticed: it was interesting that Sansa blamed Cersei for Ned, Robb and Cat, because Cersei had actually very little to do with the Red Wedding. She had more to do with Ned dying, but even that was not her initial plan for Ned. Cersei was surprised by Joff's decision as well and even tried to change his mind. However, I think Sansa saying this about Cersei is yet another clue that later episodes are likely going to contain some sort of conflict between the two of them. Also, Tyrion mentioning that Sansa is smart could be more than just a nice throwback to past seasons, but actually a hint that Sansa and Tyrion will work together and put their wits to good use. Sansa paralleling Cersei or otherwise referencing her in some capacity has been an element of every single S7 episode so far. I'm sure that will lead to something eventually.
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Post by nikma on Jul 31, 2017 8:20:00 GMT -5
I don't know what to write that others didn't say. This was the best episode this season, so far, and D&D are really killing it this year. This could be my favorite season yet if the next 4 episodes are this strong.
They really combine all these characters so perfectly now.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jul 31, 2017 8:24:23 GMT -5
They needed to say it a bit louder for the people in the back. I was reading some reviews and there are people who still don't get it. I saw this on reddit, this is from the "expert" reviewer: lol but wait. who wrote this? someone paid him/her for this or is it from blog? I don't know what is worse really. ugh why?
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