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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 7:45:58 GMT -5
Did anyone else get the impression that they’re going to change who the dagger belonged to in the show? In the books it was Robert’s, and the assassin was hired by Joffrey. I’m getting the feeling they’ll change that so it’s actually Littlefinger’s and he hired the assassin. Otherwise I don’t really see the point in bringing it up.
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Post by melrose on Aug 7, 2017 7:47:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the battle sequence is my favorite battle so far in the history of the show. "Blackwater" as a whole is a better episode, but purely in visual terms this right here is the winner. In a matter of 10 or 15 minutes, this scene basically changed the show. For 7 years we've been yearning to see what a Targaryen invasion would look like, and this scene gives us the answer and then some-- it looks fucking magnificent, but its magnificence is laced with horror. A relentless, glorious inferno, with the added wildness of the Dothraki charge giving the whole thing a visceral edge. But what was left afterwards were ashes. And it felt like the end of Westeros. At least as it is known to us. You nailed it. I watched the battle scene three times and every time I shiver when Drogon emerges from the clouds. I get goosebumps thinking about it now (okay I'm very much into dragons, what can I say). It was beautiful in the way some dark, terrifying things can be beautiful, or at least awe-inspiring. Poor infantry facing cavalry is bad enough, but airforce as well? Geez. They were doomed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 7:57:40 GMT -5
Did anyone else get the impression that they’re going to change who the dagger belonged to in the show? In the books it was Robert’s, and the assassin was hired by Joffrey. I’m getting the feeling they’ll change that so it’s actually Littlefinger’s and he hired the assassin. Otherwise I don’t really see the point in bringing it up. I don't mind. Joffrey being the culprit is one of the worst decisions GRRM has made IMO.
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Post by nikma on Aug 7, 2017 8:57:15 GMT -5
Did anyone else get the impression that they’re going to change who the dagger belonged to in the show? In the books it was Robert’s, and the assassin was hired by Joffrey. I’m getting the feeling they’ll change that so it’s actually Littlefinger’s and he hired the assassin. Otherwise I don’t really see the point in bringing it up. I think you are right
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Post by breakfest on Aug 7, 2017 9:03:17 GMT -5
I hadn't even thought about the fact that Littlefinger is of Braavosi heritage. Seeing Arya fight like a water dancer would have been eye-opening.
Will be eye-opening when she pokes some holes in his face too.
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Post by Envie on Aug 7, 2017 9:12:58 GMT -5
Here's something curious about that dagger ... it was shown in a book about dragonglass that Sam read and ultimately made him write Jon about it. So that dagger is of some significance, possibly Targaryen significance if it's linked to Dragonstone and dragonglass.
Also, when Bran says: "Do you know who this belonged to?" I get the distinct impression he's not talking about Littlefinger at all but who the original owner of the dagger was when it was forged and why it was forged. Of course Littlefinger starts rambling about how that was the question that started the war of the five kings since Ned and Catelyn asked that about the dagger and he then said it was his dagger but Tyrion had won it from him in a bet (that's how that went right?) ...
So the audience gets distracted and redirected away from what Bran asked and ultimately he doesn't answer his own question. I would keep an eye on this because I think we may have just been given a very strong endgame clue right there. Bran knows who that dagger originally belonged to and for what purpose it was created is my guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 9:16:46 GMT -5
Here's something curious about that dagger ... it was shown in a book about dragonglass that Sam read and ultimately made him write Jon about it. So that dagger is of some significance, possibly Targaryen significance if it's linked to Dragonstone and dragonglass. Also, when Bran says: "Do you know who this belonged to?" I get the distinct impression he's not talking about Littlefinger at all but who the original owner of the dagger was when it was forged and why it was forged. Of course Littlefinger starts rambling about how that was the question that started the war of the five kings since Ned and Catelyn asked that about the dagger and he then said it was his dagger but Tyrion had won it from him in a bet (that's how that went right?) ... So the audience gets distracted and redirected away from what Bran asked and ultimately he doesn't answer his own question. I would keep an eye on this because I think we may have just been given a very strong endgame clue right there. Bran knows who that dagger originally belonged to and for what purpose it was created is my guess. I wonder if it belonged to Aegon the Conqueror?
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Post by sand0r on Aug 7, 2017 9:18:50 GMT -5
Did anyone else get the impression that they’re going to change who the dagger belonged to in the show? In the books it was Robert’s, and the assassin was hired by Joffrey. I’m getting the feeling they’ll change that so it’s actually Littlefinger’s and he hired the assassin. Otherwise I don’t really see the point in bringing it up. I think you are right Agreed. Bran's "chaos is a ladder" line was perfect way to end that scene. Now if Bran the All-Knowing knows everything, even if it's like bits and pieces of fractured history, the assumption is he knows who ordered teh attempt on his life. How fitting then that he should give the dagger to his sister, who's become quite the killer. Now it's just a matter of when she'll use it.
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Post by Envie on Aug 7, 2017 9:49:08 GMT -5
Here's something curious about that dagger ... it was shown in a book about dragonglass that Sam read and ultimately made him write Jon about it. So that dagger is of some significance, possibly Targaryen significance if it's linked to Dragonstone and dragonglass. Also, when Bran says: "Do you know who this belonged to?" I get the distinct impression he's not talking about Littlefinger at all but who the original owner of the dagger was when it was forged and why it was forged. Of course Littlefinger starts rambling about how that was the question that started the war of the five kings since Ned and Catelyn asked that about the dagger and he then said it was his dagger but Tyrion had won it from him in a bet (that's how that went right?) ... So the audience gets distracted and redirected away from what Bran asked and ultimately he doesn't answer his own question. I would keep an eye on this because I think we may have just been given a very strong endgame clue right there. Bran knows who that dagger originally belonged to and for what purpose it was created is my guess. I wonder if it belonged to Aegon the Conqueror? Yeah I'm not sure if that's what they're trying to allude to but it has to be very old if it was in that book Sam found at the Citadel and as we already know, most of the valyrian steel blades of Westeros belonged to the biggest houses and were passed down through the generations. We know the Targaryens had swords that are missing (Blackfyre and Dark Sister) as well. The key here with this dagger is that not only was it in a book about Dragonstone/dragonglass but also is supposed to have a "Dragonbone handle" according to lore in the books. I'd say it was most likely a Targaryen blade.
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Post by freypies on Aug 7, 2017 10:05:28 GMT -5
Most of you have probably watched it already, but for those of you who haven't, the making-of video for the battle is really great:
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Post by lordcarson on Aug 7, 2017 10:15:47 GMT -5
Most importantly I don’t have to eat any socks because it looks like Jaime made it out alive. Otherwise his death would’ve been shown, right? RIGHT? i would say you should toss one of those in a blender and drink it at least
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Post by freypies on Aug 7, 2017 10:50:27 GMT -5
Also, just came across the review by Gretchen Felter-Martin. Never heard of her before today, but she seems semi-popular, and her review on the episode may be my favourite so far: nonameinanytongue.tumblr.com/post/163893252341/review-game-of-thrones-74-the-spoils-of-warReally liked the last part: "Arya should never have had to learn to kill. Bran should never have been forced to break his own mind on the altar of destiny. Sansa may have been groomed for command by her captors, but at what cost to her soul? In their power, as in the furnace hearts of Dany’s dragons, is a reminder of the essential ugliness of the world in which they live and a warning not to let the horrors of the battlefield become our heart’s desire. The spoils of war aren’t glory or freedom; they’re fire and blood."
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Post by Lordimp on Aug 7, 2017 11:08:47 GMT -5
The dothraki who watched the battle with Tyrion , was he the one who mocked Dany in S6?
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Post by lordcarson on Aug 7, 2017 11:31:49 GMT -5
The dothraki who watched the battle with Tyrion , was he the one who mocked Dany in S6? yes he's a captain now
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Aug 7, 2017 11:53:20 GMT -5
Here's something curious about that dagger ... it was shown in a book about dragonglass that Sam read and ultimately made him write Jon about it. So that dagger is of some significance, possibly Targaryen significance if it's linked to Dragonstone and dragonglass. Also, when Bran says: "Do you know who this belonged to?" I get the distinct impression he's not talking about Littlefinger at all but who the original owner of the dagger was when it was forged and why it was forged. Of course Littlefinger starts rambling about how that was the question that started the war of the five kings since Ned and Catelyn asked that about the dagger and he then said it was his dagger but Tyrion had won it from him in a bet (that's how that went right?) ... So the audience gets distracted and redirected away from what Bran asked and ultimately he doesn't answer his own question. I would keep an eye on this because I think we may have just been given a very strong endgame clue right there. Bran knows who that dagger originally belonged to and for what purpose it was created is my guess. I agree 100%...even hubby caught the significance, and much stuff goes right over his head. The dagger is important (we've been hammered over the head with it several times now) and Bran knows it is and he knew it was meant for Arya for the moment...and possibly Jon at a later date when he finds out his heritage. He was just putting the game pieces in motion to bring down LF. I agree that the look of actual fear in LF's eyes was the first time that we've seen him without an escape clause. I think Sansa thought she was the one who was the most changed and she's seeing that her siblings have been through more than she can possibly imagine. They've all changed and have been scarred by their experiences...she'll never have her little brother and little sister back and that revelation was sad and disturbing to her. I think it is a very apt call to compare this to LotR. Frodo (Bran) has been changed so much that he can no longer live as he was in the Shire. I have a feeling there is a weirwood root cave under Winterfell where he will ultimately end up.
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