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Post by charliexcx on Aug 14, 2017 18:48:18 GMT -5
Everyone else can kill, have ambitions for the throne, want revenge for their family, etc.. but as soon as Daenerys does it....ERRRRMIIIGAAWDDD MAD QUEEN!kfjghjf! WTF IS WRONG WITH HER. Even though she is basically doing what her ancestors did and they are regarded as badasses. But that's another story.
So The Hound's vision is what we will see happen in the next episode?? Seems like it was meant to happen. Maybe even a trap?
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 14, 2017 19:07:45 GMT -5
Everyone else can kill, have ambitions for the throne, want revenge for their family, etc.. but as soon as Daenerys does it....ERRRRMIIIGAAWDDD MAD QUEEN!kfjghjf! WTF IS WRONG WITH HER. Even though she is basically doing what her ancestors did and they are regarded as badasses. But that's another story. I have to admit that she has done things that are questionable, but not Mad Queen level. I think Tyrion, Jon, and Varys might already be dead for contesting her if she was heading in that direction. The writers are still playing with the idea because her arc is more or less about struggling to overcome her father's reputation and in the end, I think she will overcome it. The Targaryen madness was something inevitable to come up in conversation given her father, but Dany showcased multiple sides of her character here. She was regal, ruthless, compassionate, genuine, and emotional all in one episode.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 14, 2017 19:19:02 GMT -5
I don't know, I think it just showed Arya will always back Jon no matter what, she didn't like the Sansa even entertaining overthrowing Jon. But Arya's not the impetuous little girl she was back in season 1 stabbing a knife repeatedly into a table because she's pissed at Sansa. She's been through a lot of shit and learned a ton of lessons about life, not just being an assassin. She should have more ability to reason this out than simply jumping on Sansa immediately. I think it makes Arya look immature and jerky to be honest. I realize she's still a 'teenager' on the show and being the more impulsive of the two this is probably to be expected. I guess it just hit me the wrong way. I expected Arya to be a lot more level headed now after all she's learned. I guess not. I admit that the Northern stuff outside a few scenes have been hard. I guess I kind of expected a little bit more unity from all of them. I guess D&D didn't know what to do with them for half of season this year. It comes off lame. Leak: And if I didn't know the outcome of the leaks, I'd be pretty pissed off now.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 14, 2017 19:30:27 GMT -5
I think people are gonna be disappointed when they realize there will be no Mad Queen, ever. Cersei has never been more rational and Dany will learn to listen to others more.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 14, 2017 19:33:51 GMT -5
Just took a look at r/asoiaf and it's just a complete Youtube critics like CinemaSins have completely ruined online criticism. Now a nitpick is seemingly all someone needs to disprove something's artistic merits. Like when people say "In the Lord of the Rings they should've just flown the eagles to Mount Doom and dropped the Ring in", as if that has anything to do with how good the story is. If storytelling was based purely on which plan makes the most logistical sense it would be boring as fuck. And characters having a flawed plan doesn't mean the storytelling itself is flawed either. But now people think you can just list quibbles without considering contextual explanations and counterarguments and voila, they get a top post or top thread thanks to their purist confirmation-bias. They also seem to intensely hate anything that is implied to have occurred offscreen. They're going "how does Tyrion know Jaime's alive?" as if that's a substantial critique. I dunno, maybe they fucking looked in the water and didn't see him? As they would do knowing what an important captive he'd be? And why didn't we see Tyrion going to KL being planned or a raven being sent to Bronn...because then we'd know how things would play out instead of having any sense of tension in the sequence. I mean obviously if you want to go into the merits of how scenes play, are shot and directed, edited and are acted that's one thing. And then writing too, if they actually analyzed dialogue and the story purposes of various scenes. But instead they just use little meme-ified catchphrases and lines to demean shit without meaningful analysis to self-congratulate one another that they're these great critics when really they just make surface level out-of-context observations and sprinkle them together. Of course this doesn't just apply to this fandom. Most forced contrarian online types do the same shit. But it aggravates me to no end because people are gravitating more and more towards this kind of shit than reading real reviews.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 14, 2017 19:35:36 GMT -5
I know Kit didn't mention it, but I really got jealousy from this scene. I know it's not just me. That's how it came across. Interesting that he already knew about his return back in 2015. Wonder what they told Wlaschiha and Huisman (I think Huisman gave vague answers about a return?) EDIT: This was meant as a reply to Al's post. Sorry!
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 14, 2017 19:41:37 GMT -5
Just took a look at r/asoiaf and it's just a complete Youtube critics like CinemaSins have completely ruined online criticism. Now a nitpick is seemingly all someone needs to prove something's artistic merits. Like when people say "In the Lord of the Rings they should've just flown the eagles to Mount Doom and dropped the Ring in", as if that has anything to do with how good the story is. If storytelling was based purely on which plan makes the most logistical sense it would be boring as fuck. And characters having a flawed plan doesn't mean the storytelling itself is flawed either. But now people think you can just list quibbles without considering contextual explanations and counterarguments and voila, they get a top post or top thread thanks to their purist confirmation-bias. They also seem to intensely hate anything that is implied to have occurred offscreen. They're going "how does Tyrion know Jaime's alive?" as if that's a substantial critique. I dunno, maybe they fucking looked in the water and didn't see him? As they would do knowing what an important captive he'd be? And why didn't we see Tyrion going to KL being planned or a raven being sent to Bronn...because then we'd know how things would play out instead of having any sense of tension in the sequence. I mean obviously if you want to go into the merits of how scenes play, are shot and directed, edited and are acted that's one thing. And then writing too, if they actually analyzed dialogue and the story purposes of various scenes. But instead they just use little meme-ified catchphrases and lines to demean shit without meaningful analysis to self-congratulate one another that they're these great critics when really they just make surface level out-of-context observations and sprinkle them together. Of course this doesn't just apply to this fandom. Most forced contrarian online types do the same shit. But it aggravates me to no end because people are gravitating more and more towards this kind of shit than reading real reviews. Yeah, this is a growing trend everywhere now. I think there is plenty of legitimate criticism that can be applied to this episode, but complaining about travelling distances and not seeing all the irrelevant stuff that happens offscreen doesn't help their cause.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 14, 2017 19:47:09 GMT -5
Just took a look at r/asoiaf and it's just a complete Youtube critics like CinemaSins have completely ruined online criticism. Now a nitpick is seemingly all someone needs to prove something's artistic merits. Like when people say "In the Lord of the Rings they should've just flown the eagles to Mount Doom and dropped the Ring in", as if that has anything to do with how good the story is. If storytelling was based purely on which plan makes the most logistical sense it would be boring as fuck. And characters having a flawed plan doesn't mean the storytelling itself is flawed either. But now people think you can just list quibbles without considering contextual explanations and counterarguments and voila, they get a top post or top thread thanks to their purist confirmation-bias. They also seem to intensely hate anything that is implied to have occurred offscreen. They're going "how does Tyrion know Jaime's alive?" as if that's a substantial critique. I dunno, maybe they fucking looked in the water and didn't see him? As they would do knowing what an important captive he'd be? And why didn't we see Tyrion going to KL being planned or a raven being sent to Bronn...because then we'd know how things would play out instead of having any sense of tension in the sequence. I mean obviously if you want to go into the merits of how scenes play, are shot and directed, edited and are acted that's one thing. And then writing too, if they actually analyzed dialogue and the story purposes of various scenes. But instead they just use little meme-ified catchphrases and lines to demean shit without meaningful analysis to self-congratulate one another that they're these great critics when really they just make surface level out-of-context observations and sprinkle them together. Of course this doesn't just apply to this fandom. Most forced contrarian online types do the same shit. But it aggravates me to no end because people are gravitating more and more towards this kind of shit than reading real reviews. Yeah, this is a growing trend everywhere now. I think there is plenty of legitimate criticism that can be applied to this episode, but complaining about travelling distances and not seeing all the irrelevant stuff that happens offscreen doesn't help their cause. Oh for sure. It's not that I mind people disagreeing with me. I mind how they disagree with me.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 14, 2017 19:57:58 GMT -5
Interesting that he already knew about his return back in 2015. Wonder what they told Wlaschiha and Huisman (I think Huisman gave vague answers about a return?) I think it makes sense since they'd be outlining S7 during the end of filming S6, but Davos was definitely the best way to bring Gendry back into the story. So with that in mind, I don't think he really could have fit into S4 - S6. I guess the only thing they could have done is maybe something with Varys since he knows who Gendry is. Jaqen, I thought we could have seen at the Citadel, but they didn't have time for it. Daario could potentially return with the golden company as we've discussed, but personally, it would be cool to see what type of a role the Faceless Men could have played in the end game.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 14, 2017 20:31:12 GMT -5
Sure I squabble about things, but if you just sit back just a little and look at the big picture, the showrunners contributions to this saga have been amazing. I never got mad about the teleporting and an outfit that somebody was wearing.
D&D created Season 6-8 from a napkin full of end-game notes. What started as a faithful adaptation, has turned into something where they were forced to write the final seasons basically solo and ultimately write the ending of an epic story.
It's something that quite frankly, I don't know if GRRM has the balls or dedication to do. There I said it.
They have written more new ASOIAF then GRRM has probably done over 10 years. They are adapting content that doesn't exist yet.
Overall I'm grateful.
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Post by lordcarson on Aug 14, 2017 21:26:48 GMT -5
Just took a look at r/asoiaf and it's just a complete Youtube critics like CinemaSins have completely ruined online criticism. Now a nitpick is seemingly all someone needs to disprove something's artistic merits. Like when people say "In the Lord of the Rings they should've just flown the eagles to Mount Doom and dropped the Ring in", as if that has anything to do with how good the story is. If storytelling was based purely on which plan makes the most logistical sense it would be boring as fuck. And characters having a flawed plan doesn't mean the storytelling itself is flawed either. But now people think you can just list quibbles without considering contextual explanations and counterarguments and voila, they get a top post or top thread thanks to their purist confirmation-bias. They also seem to intensely hate anything that is implied to have occurred offscreen. They're going "how does Tyrion know Jaime's alive?" as if that's a substantial critique. I dunno, maybe they fucking looked in the water and didn't see him? As they would do knowing what an important captive he'd be? And why didn't we see Tyrion going to KL being planned or a raven being sent to Bronn...because then we'd know how things would play out instead of having any sense of tension in the sequence. I mean obviously if you want to go into the merits of how scenes play, are shot and directed, edited and are acted that's one thing. And then writing too, if they actually analyzed dialogue and the story purposes of various scenes. But instead they just use little meme-ified catchphrases and lines to demean shit without meaningful analysis to self-congratulate one another that they're these great critics when really they just make surface level out-of-context observations and sprinkle them together. Of course this doesn't just apply to this fandom. Most forced contrarian online types do the same shit. But it aggravates me to no end because people are gravitating more and more towards this kind of shit than reading real reviews. I obviously 100% agree with of thing you said because uh of course duh its obviously correct but then I also think about things like me and @fatherofdragons giving this episode a 9 and a 10 because Gendry was cool as fuck so maybe we're no better
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Aug 14, 2017 21:35:53 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that when Dany asked Tyrion how he was going to get into King's Landing, everyone in the camera view turned and looked at Davos?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 21:47:45 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that when Dany asked Tyrion how he was going to get into King's Landing, everyone in the camera view turned and looked at Davos? Of course. Davos is both a former smuggler, and from KL.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 14, 2017 22:33:28 GMT -5
i rewatched and i would like to retract my bitching from last night about cersei being boring this year. they were fine
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Post by belle on Aug 14, 2017 22:36:30 GMT -5
I agree with you but i thought the chemistry between Lena and Nikolaj was actually really good in this ep for like the first time in forever lmao so I felt like that made up for the fact that the scenes didn't have so much depth to them. I've been dreading the pregnancy shit forever but I caught myself smiling for a heartbeat when those two were being all happy. The smile only lasted for a second but I was surprised it came at all lmao Don't look if you don't want to know: According to the leaks, the last scene this season with Cersei is her waking in a "bed of blood" -- implying that she has a miscarriage. So in true "soap opera" form -- if it plays out that way -- I predict that next season she will not tell Jaime about the miscarriage but keep him under her control with the promise of the baby -- and when he find out that she lied after the miscarriage - he will not respond well (and that might be the valonqar scene -- but all of the next season stuff is pure speculation on my part). Hmm I think that season 8 theory is unlikely tbh. I just don't see it going down that way
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