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Post by Diablotion on Aug 23, 2017 9:26:05 GMT -5
Nah, LSH would have been a lot more interesting, thematically and visually. And important for Brienne, Jaime and probably Arya. Also. Michelle Fairley is arguably the best actor this show has ever had. Definitely stronger than Richard Dormer, who is good, but not Michelle Fairley-good. But it is what it is. Visually perhaps. I can see LSH doing what Arya did in the beginning of the season (it will of course be more detailed and epic in the books) and that's the culmination of her plot line. She's going to slowly exterminate house Frey and then die. It's going to be awesome. Also, I can't wait for the Greatjon to join LSH's party. ShowBeric is super awesome though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 9:30:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure Michelle Fairley's acting talents would be in full use playing LSH. We'll never know though.
Beric has been one of the highlights of the season for me. Every scene he's had has been great.
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Post by Basil on Aug 23, 2017 9:39:21 GMT -5
Keeping Beric instead of LSH was the best decision D&D ever made. They have also developed him brilliantly. I can't wait for him to die heroically in the final battle.
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Post by Envie on Aug 23, 2017 10:06:54 GMT -5
Beric has been one of the highlights of the season for me. Every scene he's had has been great. Richard Dormer has really been a fantastic Beric. Not only does he have an amazing voice, his stage presence is amazing. He really adds dimension to the character that I never cared about in the books. I especially loved his mentoring Jon a little in this last episode. I got a quiet, calm jedi like Obi-wan feeling from him and it was lovely.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 23, 2017 10:26:22 GMT -5
*cough* LSH would've been better. Anywho, I like "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pelts"
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 23, 2017 10:47:56 GMT -5
Lady Stoneheart is bae. One of the biggest mistakes on the show IMO.
But Beric is cool too, so, it's fine, I guess, whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 11:01:52 GMT -5
I love Stoneheart in the books, but I'm not going to pretend that the shock value didn't play a rather large role in forming that opinion. D&D definitely laid the groundwork for her, until they spoke with GRRM and learned the ending, which to me suggests that her role in the story is just... Not up to much? Idk, I trust D&D cut her for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 11:12:18 GMT -5
Never liked Cat when she was alive, never liked her when she was dead.
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Post by Envie on Aug 23, 2017 11:15:09 GMT -5
I love Stoneheart in the books, but I'm not going to pretend that the shock value didn't play a rather large role in forming that opinion. D&D definitely laid the groundwork for her, until they spoke with GRRM and learned the ending, which to me suggests that her role in the story is just... Not up to much? Idk, I trust D&D cut her for a reason. I really feel having Beric still alive on the show means whatever role Stoneheart ultimately plays in the books, it isn't significant enough and keeping Beric around instead made more sense even if it's just to be a part of this "Hero Quest" at the end where he dies fighting the Night King which is what he expects to happen anyways. His telling Jon they will find no joy in this life but they can protect those who cannot protect themselves until their final end felt like a big clue to me. Beric's going to protect someone helpless and about to die as his hero's death.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 23, 2017 12:22:18 GMT -5
Nah, LSH would have been a lot more interesting, thematically and visually. And important for Brienne, Jaime and probably Arya. Also. Michelle Fairley is arguably the best actor this show has ever had. Definitely stronger than Richard Dormer, who is good, but not Michelle Fairley-good. But it is what it is. I would have kept both! You don't have to lose Beric in order to have LSH. You just need Thoros to resurrect her (and he doesn't have to die doing it, either). Win-win situation. Richard Dormer is a glorious Beric and Michelle Fairley would have been a brilliant LSH.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 12:34:41 GMT -5
I think "LSH is not significant enough" is a rather weak argument, because characters are not means to an end but rather ends in themselves. If the endgame was the only thing of importance, I'd just tune in for 806 and that's it. But we don't do that, because the journey is always as important as the destination. Using the aforementioned logic, we would have to cut everything that is not directly leading to the endgame. Why have Stannis? We could introduce Mel in a different way. Grey Worm and Missandei could easily be cut. Dany's servants could just be nameless people. There would be ways to write around Sandor too. But Sandor is important for Arya's storyline you say? Well, so was LSH for Jaime's and Brienne's. And we all know how exciting Brienne's candle-watch story was in S5... Definitely an improvement to her storyline in the books. (/sarcasm) If LSH's role in the books is to orchestrate the RW 2.0 and to cause drama between Jaime/Brienne and maybe meet Arya, then her storyline would already be worth doing on the show (considering the importance of all these storylines). Besides, D&D invent so much stuff for certain characters (e.g. Beric). So doing that with LSH instead would have been an easy task. Saying there isn't enough material for LSH, even though they invent so much material for other far less important characters is a strange argument. Look at Dorne. We spent 3 seasons with the Sand Snakes. They are all dead now. Do you think they were more important to the endgame than LSH, the mother of several POV characters and a former POV character herself? I don't think so.
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Post by Envie on Aug 23, 2017 12:55:27 GMT -5
I think "LSH is not significant enough" is a rather weak argument, because characters are not means to an end but rather ends in themselves. If the endgame was the only thing of importance, I'd just tune in for 806 and that's it. But we don't do that, because the way is always as important as the destination. Using the aforementioned logic, we would have to cut everything that is not directly leading to the endgame. Why have Stannis? We could introduce Mel in a different way. Grey Worm and Missandei could easily be cut. Dany's servants could just be nameless people. You're twisting things around that I said. I never said LSH is insignificant therefore they cut her to save time, or to jump forward to the endgame. I think you know me better than that by now, or I would hope so. I am on this journey for the journey as much as anyone and not 8x06. I feel like you're exaggerating things a bit with all those examples of every other character that could have been cut because they're not 'significant' when that's not what anyone meant at all. The point was, they DID choose to cut her and the reason they may have made that decision was because they felt there wasn't enough weight to her story to bring Michelle Fairley back to play it again. I'm not saying that was the right decision and none of us here can even argue that decision because we don't actually know the endgame for her role in the books. We can theorize she does what Arya did in the show, but we don't know that. It may surprise you to know I was a fAegon fan and enjoyed the political intrigue of what I was pretty sure was an imposter sent to stir things up in Westeros. A minority in the book world since most are quite glad he was cut entirely from the show. Was he 'insignificant' to the story? I don't know. But I don't try to justify his being cut based on whatever endgame theory may or may not make his story a part of the bigger picture. For all I know, he lands on Westeros, begins his march to King's Landing and is killed before he ever gets there to try and take the Iron Throne. I see Stoneheart in the same sense of possibility. She may or may not have had some sort of political impact. She's not 'insignificant' to the overall story, but for whatever reason her role was insignificant enough they chose to cut it. That's just the facts. Lots of things in the story were reduced or removed, it's just the necessity of trimming the fat off a huge epic saga to fit into a television series. They can't possibly cut someone like Jon or Daenerys, or Jaime and Cersei for perspective. But sure, they could have cut Beric altogether probably, as well as Tormund, Missandei, etc etc. But that's not the point. They chose to keep those characters for whatever entertainment and story color they felt they wanted them for where they decided Stoneheart didn't. And to be clear one last time, I never had a problem with LSH in the books nor was I happy or sad either one she was cut from the show. I do understand both sides of it and always have. I don't defend fAegon being cut for the same reasons.
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Post by Basil on Aug 23, 2017 12:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 23, 2017 13:11:18 GMT -5
They likely just cut her because they didn't like Catelyn, D&D have favorites too. Stannis' story is likely drastically changed because they didn't care for him either and the only reason Bran is still around is because he is important to the endgame. Otherwise no way they'd keep him.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Aug 23, 2017 13:24:19 GMT -5
*Looks into this thread*
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