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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2017 12:07:34 GMT -5
They could bring back a character quote for a title, like Benjen's "The Dead Don't Rest" but I doubt it.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Aug 17, 2017 12:10:30 GMT -5
Imo, Episode 6 basically confirmed that Jon and Dany will live.
Whole episode was about the meaning of life and planting seeds for the future. You had Jorah referencing Jon's future children. You had Tyrion referencing Dany's death, which semi-confirms that it won't actually happen. You had Dany herself repeating that she is barren, which semi-confirms she will bear human children. And there was all that talk about legacies and new worlds.
I no longer think Jon being a "fire wight" means anything. Dude will live to be 120 years old.
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Post by sercreighton on Aug 17, 2017 12:13:39 GMT -5
Arya Assasinates the Night King? Thought about this before With Mel returning, she could use the Ruby to possibly get close enough to use the dagger. But from a thematic sense it has not been a big part of her story. I also wonder what Mel is doing in Essos, she is going there for a reason. I assume to rally the red priests. She could make an ally of Darrio, and take the Gold Company off the table. There are Millions of freed slaves there. Dany may have the Dothraki, and the Unsullied but her actions in freeing the slaves may pay a dividend. They're not going to like anyone taking a shot at her. Cersei may be on her home turf, but Essos belongs to Dany. Don't go playing in her back yard and not expect blow back. It would also contrast Cersei and Westeros as she loses power, you see Dany's... Sorry Daenerys actual strength among her people. But who knows. The Golden Company could provide some nice twists. I do feel sometimes like Daenerys belongs to Essos more than anywhere else, her fight against slavery is what truly started her legend to me and elevated her among other rulers. However I think what she really needs is to find a home within a family, a kindred spirit...a King in the North most likely. Cersei's story seems to still have a lot of hold over from the Aegon plot, Dorne, the Reach, Euron, the Golden Company are part of Winds of winter. I can't even figure out why Euron is working for her but I can't imagine it ends well. To Cersei it's ego driven, she thinks he wants her and he is so dumb she can just keep him the hook. But why would Euron do anything for, her? He wants power? He could smash KL in a day. Not only is he her only ally, but the only threat to him is Dany. Tyrell army, and house destroyed. Freys destroyed and Riverlands off the table, Dorne off the table, Tarly army destroyed, Lannister army wrecked, she is down to Stannis levels and like Stannis is getting a loan to aquire sellswords. He could take Cersei, KL, and all the gold in a day and she has no way to stop him. Meanwhile the north and Vale, and Dothraki, and Unsullied are with Dany. What the hell is Euron waiting for? He is just mindlessly doing what she wants for no particular reason. What he is a man of his word? Contrived is an understatement. The entire country is divided and every army is wrecked, leadership is down too Team Dany Jon easily the most powerful force. Cersei who has almost no leg to stand on, her only strength is Euron, and of course Euron. Euron has no clue about the army of the dead. So his motivation to not act like an Iron Born is Cersei going I will reward you. Why would the Golden Company even take a contract with her? They are from Essos. They know exactly what Dany can do. Umm so you lost your army and you want us to come there and die for you. Yes but I will pay you.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Aug 17, 2017 12:57:50 GMT -5
They could bring back a character quote for a title, like Benjen's "The Dead Don't Rest" but I doubt it. after the last two bland titles, idk why anyone would expect something creative or spoilery.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 13:05:01 GMT -5
Bet it's "Bent the Knee".
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Post by nikma on Aug 17, 2017 13:09:04 GMT -5
Beside loosing KL would not translate as Cersei being out of the game. Quite the opposite. Than what's the point?
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Post by daeronthegood on Aug 17, 2017 13:29:32 GMT -5
Moving this over TheWhiteDevil-"I'm starting to think that keeping Cersei in a position of power really damaged the season, it created a lot of contrivances, like Daenerys not taking the Red Keep and just the Red Keep with her Dragons... I get the necessity to have Westeros accept her but how have they been accomplishing that actually? I fail to grasp Tyrion's plans. It feels like there is no plan. I'm saying that because I truly did not like the Wight Hunt idea and execution and the call for it arise out of the need to convince Cersei. Hence IMO Cersei being on the Throne really messes things up. And the Westerosi backing her up, supposedly, after the Sept Incident seem rather flimsy. Considering how she obtained her power...I don't know. Problem is, I have no idea where else she could have been... and I'm loving the season a great deal. It just feels weird in some spots I will think about this some more. Not really sure I managed to explain myself properly or at all." Nikma -"You can like it or not, but keeping Cersei in power will make S8 the best season yet. Without her, Jaime, Gregor and Euron, S8 would be just humans vs monsters. There are hidden tunnels in KL, Cersei wouldn't just wait for her in the Red Keep." It's not a matter of liking it or not liking it. It's just a matter of logic, The are holes in it, imo. Beside loosing KL would not translate as Cersei being out of the game. Quite the opposite. I don`t think you are nitpicking here, what bothers me about this is the execution. Several characters have said if the dothraki and dragons are used game over war is done within a day-namely Yara,Tyrion,Davos,Jon,Daenerys and even Jaime. With that said, Tyrion advises against using this force because of civilian death toll and PR. Fine great set up, now we have Daenerys fighting with both hands tied behind her back against Cersei who has no limits and is willing to do anything to stay in power. In that case it becomes a fair fight actually advantage Cersei, but we know Daenerys has the trump card and is not in such dire straits that she has to use them, she actually finds a middle ground and uses them against the Lannister army in an open fiend, bad PR, but no civilian deaths. Where they lose it is when the Tarlys are burned, suddenly Tyrion and Varys are freaking out about how she`s showing Mad King tendencies, considering she's willingly fighting with a handicap, is this really the time to question to her sanity? For listening to Tyrion's disastrous plan maybe, but come on for that? No way. The second and much bigger issue I have with this is that Tyrion is all of a sudden an idiot and Varys has no intelligence to provide. It's as if Danys entire war council lost brain cells; its winter in a world where winter lasts YEARS, you're in a war and armies need to eat, the Reach is not just a tempting target it becomes central. Gold means nothing if the army is starving. Furthermore, Tyrion is so focused on the PR front (foreign invader, army of savages etc) and winning Westerosi lords, he doesn't consider that Reach lords would be the first group Cersei appeals to? Olenna has known Randyll Tarly his entire life (according to him) she's not thinking hmm he's a bit of xenophobe he could be an issue, I'm an old woman last of a house I married into, and the Tyrells are seen as usurpers of Highgarden I could be in trouble keeping my bannermen in line? Those are just a few issues I have, whole plot line didn't work, its not nitpicking, its ridiculous. They are trying to shoehorn Cersei in and it was executed badly IMHO.
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Post by jared on Aug 17, 2017 13:32:19 GMT -5
My guess for the title of Episode 7 would be "The Great War", because that phrase has been used a few times already this season, and there's the line that Jon says in the initial house sigil trailer that we haven't heard yet: "There's only one war that matters. The Great War. And it is here." That sounds like something that he would say to Cersei in the Dragonpit scene, although I suppose that it could have been a line that was recorded for the trailer.
Going back through the preseason trailers, I think that the only other line that we haven't heard yet after Episode 6 is Sansa saying "When the snows fall, and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." It seems like a virtual certainty that this is something that she's going to say in her big speech to Littlefinger as she reveals his crimes to the Northern Lords and just before she has Arya kill him. Had that speech happened in say, Episode 6, I would have liked "The Lone Wolf" as a potential episode title for that episode, but since the Stark children will be uniting as a pack in the finale, I don't think it fits here.
I also like "The Realms of Men", "Night Gathers", and "The Fall" as potential titles. But honestly, I have no clue. Through a combination of filming knowledge and blind luck, I used to be able to correctly predict 3 or 4 episode titles per year, but I'm 0/6 this year. "Stormborn" was the only one I even seriously considered.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 17, 2017 13:57:36 GMT -5
A good question now is where is Yara? Last we saw her she was in the Red Keep, but then we know Euron went to Casterly Rock. Did he bring her with him, or is she still there? Or is she somewhere else? Captive on Pyke?
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Post by nikma on Aug 17, 2017 13:58:16 GMT -5
I think for the show the best solution is the Red Keep.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 17, 2017 14:00:55 GMT -5
I think for the show the best solution is the Red Keep. probably, but they need to actually establish that. hopefully we'll see her in the finale, wherever she is. If Theon raids the Red Keep in season 8, that could factor into some Euron/Cersei drama.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Aug 17, 2017 14:05:16 GMT -5
A good question now is where is Yara? Last we saw her she was in the Red Keep, but then we know Euron went to Casterly Rock. Did he bring her with him, or is she still there? Or is she somewhere else? Captive on Pyke? seeing pyke again, even in s8, would make it less frustrating that they used it on the map for two eps where no one was in the iron islands instead of at least showing casterly rock in 704. (since the lion sigil is blatantly missing in kl)
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 17, 2017 14:09:57 GMT -5
A good question now is where is Yara? Last we saw her she was in the Red Keep, but then we know Euron went to Casterly Rock. Did he bring her with him, or is she still there? Or is she somewhere else? Captive on Pyke? I imagine she's belowdecks in the Silence. They brought her out of the Red Keep when Euron rode out after all instead of leaving her in the dungeons there.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 17, 2017 14:12:52 GMT -5
A good question now is where is Yara? Last we saw her she was in the Red Keep, but then we know Euron went to Casterly Rock. Did he bring her with him, or is she still there? Or is she somewhere else? Captive on Pyke? seeing pyke again, even in s8, would make it less frustrating that they used it on the map for two eps where no one was in the iron islands instead of at least showing casterly rock in 704. (since the lion sigil is blatantly missing in kl) the opening map has been disappointing this year lol. still a stag on KL, no Casterly Rock, no Highgarden. I think whoever the animators are got lazy lol. A good question now is where is Yara? Last we saw her she was in the Red Keep, but then we know Euron went to Casterly Rock. Did he bring her with him, or is she still there? Or is she somewhere else? Captive on Pyke? I imagine she's belowdecks in the Silence. They brought her out of the Red Keep when Euron rode out after all instead of leaving her in the dungeons there. She's probably the show's equivalent to Falia Flowers, although hopefully not pregnant by Euron and not had her tongue cut out. If they don't show her in the finale, Euron will at least reference her in the Dragonpit. Hopefully we'll actually see her though, maybe with Euron when he's sailing back into KL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 14:16:29 GMT -5
Beside loosing KL would not translate as Cersei being out of the game. Quite the opposite. Than what's the point? As I said before, I find Cersei being able to keep KL in the current situation and considering Daenerys's forces and advisors, Tyrion and Varys, who should be two of the most clever men in the 7Kingdoms, quite weak from a logical, pragmatic and realistic point of view and that for me, makes for weak narrative. That is the point.
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