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Post by nikma on Jun 9, 2018 6:09:48 GMT -5
Why does The Walking Dead have a spin-off on at the same time? Or The Big Bang Theory? Because they’re popular and people watch them. In the same vein, why are there a million Marvel movies out each year and a million Marvel TV shows. And DC movies and DC TV shows. And Star Wars movies and coming soon down the line, Star Wars TV shows. It's a cynical move creatively but financially this tendency towards franchises and "shared universes" and all this kind of thing is only going to get more and more common. And HBO wants in. Whether it works or not is a different matter but they're sure going to try it out. The more they keep the brand alive the more they can saturate the market with it. They will keep brand alive if they air GoT shows for the next 15 years, not if they rush everything and have 3 new shows in the same world at the same time. And Star Wars is in crisis right now so I'm not sure that what Lucasfilm did is a good example. DC movies as well. And HBO wants another Emmy powerhouse with this new show. I don't think Marvel shows are their "inspiration" at all.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Jun 9, 2018 7:28:45 GMT -5
Why does The Walking Dead have a spin-off on at the same time? Or The Big Bang Theory? Because they’re popular and people watch them. In the same vein, why are there a million Marvel movies out each year and a million Marvel TV shows. And DC movies and DC TV shows. And Star Wars movies and coming soon down the line, Star Wars TV shows. It's a cynical move creatively but financially this tendency towards franchises and "shared universes" and all this kind of thing is only going to get more and more common. And HBO wants in. Whether it works or not is a different matter but they're sure going to try it out. The more they keep the brand alive the more they can saturate the market with it. Yep the Marvel Netflix is probably the best comparison. Different shows with different showrunners, with several in production at any given time and green lights for others well in advance
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Post by atargbyanothername on Jun 9, 2018 7:29:25 GMT -5
Star Wars is in crisis? Erm, ok then
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Post by nikma on Jun 9, 2018 7:36:31 GMT -5
Solo is a big flop. Toys are in decline. Blue rays for TLJ are doing much worse than TFA.
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Post by katjushka on Jun 9, 2018 8:17:21 GMT -5
I think what might be a challenge with simultaneous spin offs is if they're set in very different times in the history of Westeros. Could be confusing. On the other hand if the stories are not intertwined and the shows are about completely separate events, why not.
I like the sound of the one they picked up for a pilot, sounds dark.
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 9, 2018 20:59:44 GMT -5
Solo is a big flop. Toys are in decline. Blue rays for TLJ are doing much worse than TFA. If you say so...
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 1:50:10 GMT -5
Solo is a flop. It's not matter of opinion. And I think Disney era of Star Wars is the best, so I'm not a hater, but it's true that Lucasfilm's decision to realise 4 films in 2,5 years harmed the brand.
The same will happen if HBO puts 3 new GoT show at the same time. Ratings will be much worse than GoT's and they can forget about the awards.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 14:12:27 GMT -5
Solo is a flop. It's not matter of opinion. And I think Disney era of Star Wars is the best, so I'm not a hater, but it's true that Lucasfilm's decision to realise 4 films in 2,5 years harmed the brand. The same will happen if HBO puts 3 new GoT show at the same time. Ratings will be much worse than GoT's and they can forget about the awards. I disagree, its all about quality. Marvel has 2-3 films a year, BP and IW were released within 2 months of each other and 3 months before BP was TR. Not to mention the Marvel shows on Netflix-Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage- air at the same time and are completely different shows, atmospheres and sensibilities. The weakest of the bunch Iron Fist I predict does not have long, but the other shows are STRONG, well made and have their own identity. You will never confuse a JJ with DD or LC etc, despite it happening at the same time, in the same city and with supporting characters crossing over. So multiple shows in the same universe can be done. HBO caught lightning in a bottle with GOT, very difficult to recreate that magic and like all things has a time limit on popularity. Once Hollywood finds something profitable they beat that horse to death till people get sick of it. I highly doubt they will put all their GOT eggs in one basket, it's bonkers to assume it will still be popular 15 years from now-our culture moves way to fast for that. I predict the second spin-off premieres a year or two after the first one and if both do well, the third spin-off rolls out a year or two after that. In a few years if there are 3 spin-offs on at the same time each show starts a new season every other year like Westworld or Netflix shows to use a better example.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 15:21:33 GMT -5
I predict the second spin-off premieres a year or two after the first one and if both do well, the third spin-off rolls out a year or two after that. I agree that this could happen. If the first spin off becomes well established and popular we will se the second one after several seasons. Not to mention the Marvel shows on Netflix-Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage Yeah, but that's all crap TBH, not high quality drama nominated for Emmy. I think HBO's role model is Better call Saul, not Marvel's shows. BCS is critically acclaimed TV show that came after one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows of all time.
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Post by nikma on Jun 10, 2018 15:25:50 GMT -5
it's bonkers to assume it will still be popular 15 years from now-our culture moves way to fast for that I disagree with this. GoT will be relevant for almost 10 years when S8 airs. What is another 10 or 15? And books are there for more than 20 years already. Harry Potter is popular for more than 20 years so far and they even started new film series. Star Wars is popular for more than 40 years. LOTR is popular for decades, but if you only count the visual medium, it's popular for 17 years already. They had 2 trilogies and now TV show. GoT is not going anywhere.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 15:48:56 GMT -5
I predict the second spin-off premieres a year or two after the first one and if both do well, the third spin-off rolls out a year or two after that. I agree that this could happen. If the first spin off becomes well established and popular we will se the second one after several seasons. Not to mention the Marvel shows on Netflix-Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage Yeah, but that's all crap TBH, not high quality drama nominated for Emmy. I think HBO's role model is Better call Saul, not Marvel's shows. BCS is critically acclaimed TV show that came after one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows of all time. Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, GOT is a cash cow. Breaking Bad while critically acclaimed and beloved was nowhere near the gargantuan popularity of GOT, its in a completely different universe of success and for any business that's what matters. Awards are great, but eye balls and subscriptions are what matter. So the Netflix model is what makes sense from a business stand point.
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Post by breakfest on Jun 10, 2018 15:52:23 GMT -5
Have to agree with nikma on this one. I hope that HBO have the sense not to create more than one spin-off show at first - or else you risk spreading yourself too thin too soon. Just make sure the new show is as good as you can possibly make it, because if it's a failure right out of the gates, that would be incredibly difficult to come back from.
Honestly I hope they don't build a multi-media, expanded universe franchise out of Westeros because those are immensely fatiguing to me. They probably will eventually though.
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Post by breakfest on Jun 10, 2018 15:56:11 GMT -5
I agree that this could happen. If the first spin off becomes well established and popular we will se the second one after several seasons. Yeah, but that's all crap TBH, not high quality drama nominated for Emmy. I think HBO's role model is Better call Saul, not Marvel's shows. BCS is critically acclaimed TV show that came after one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows of all time. Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, GOT is a cash cow. Breaking Bad while critically acclaimed and beloved was nowhere near the gargantuan popularity of GOT, its in a completely different universe of success and for any business that's what matters. Awards are great, but eye balls and subscriptions are what matter. So the Netflix model is what makes sense from a business stand point. HBO also have a bit of a superiority complex though, in a good way. They have a brand of prestige to uphold, which means their shows have to reach certain self-imposed standards of quality. They tend to be fairly savvy when it comes to which shows to push and which shows to cancel. I don't think they'll blow their load on multiple spin-off at once.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 16:01:33 GMT -5
it's bonkers to assume it will still be popular 15 years from now-our culture moves way to fast for that I disagree with this. GoT will be relevant for almost 10 years when S8 airs. What is another 10 or 15? And books are there for more than 20 years already. Harry Potter is popular for more than 20 years so far and they even started new film series. Star Wars is popular for more than 40 years. LOTR is popular for decades, but if you only count the visual medium, it's popular for 17 years already. They had 2 trilogies and now TV show. GoT is not going anywhere. Only time will tell of course. But remember LOTR and Star Wars and even Harry Potter to certain extent had their peak popularity pre-internet. They became cultural touch stones for young and old alike. GOT is a super popular series, but lets be real its nowhere near HP. Another thing the aforementioned series have in common is they were marketed and consumed by children, who grow up and pass it down to their kids, the nostalgia factor is huge. GOT is a very adult series, adult oriented books/films rarely have the massive success GOT has. I believe people will still be reading it 50 years from now, but to compare it SW, LOTR or HP is not fair.
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Post by daeronthegood on Jun 10, 2018 16:11:50 GMT -5
Awards are great, but HBO is a business and they are after cash money, GOT is a cash cow. Breaking Bad while critically acclaimed and beloved was nowhere near the gargantuan popularity of GOT, its in a completely different universe of success and for any business that's what matters. Awards are great, but eye balls and subscriptions are what matter. So the Netflix model is what makes sense from a business stand point. HBO also have a bit of a superiority complex though, in a good way. They have a brand of prestige to uphold, which means their shows have to reach certain self-imposed standards of quality. They tend to be fairly savvy when it comes to which shows to push and which shows to cancel. I don't think they'll blow their load on multiple spin-off at once. I agree HBOs tagline is "its not tv, its HBO", that doesn't preclude them from having multiple series set in the same universe; especially when the trend and the proven money maker in Hollywood right now is a multi media expanded universe. When done right you have MCU/Netlfix model, when done wrong you have DCU. Airing 2 or 3 shows set in the GOT universe does not automatically mean quality will suffer, unless you assume the same people will be producing and writing all three at the same time. Each show will be its own entity and have its own team. HBO is not going to air something its not confident in. But how many times has the better written and acted show failed to garner viewers despite the awards recognition and the more run of mill show achieved great success? GOT massive financial and critical success is a rarity, not the norm.
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