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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2019 18:46:36 GMT -5
been looking at AFFC since the convo yesterday, since it seems like the show has finally gotten cersei to where she is at mentally in AFFC, even tho the storyline has already happened.
She's got assassins out after her brother. Her feelings towards Jaime appear to be equal parts hatred and longing. She is plotting against Jon Snow and a rival queen (Daenerys not Margarey). She has men demanding sex in exchange for loyalty. She is essentially the top dog in King's Landing.
With that being said, I wonder how much further they'll take it. Her paranoia in AFFC is really out of control (though I would argue it's far more justified than most of the fanbase gives her credit for), so I would like to see that translated into the show. They kind of already are going there, with the hiring of assassins for Jaime and Tyrion and the plotting against Jon and Daenerys. But I wonder how far it will go.
And then the whole pregnancy thing. She's definitively pregnant on the show, but some readers think she was/is pregnant in AFFC, or has a miscarriage foreshadowed (that scene with the bloody egg, and the weight gain). so i think when she miscarries on the show (hopefully tomorrow night) they might amp up the paranoia and just general craziness.
anyways that's my ramble, happy saturday!
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Post by nikma on Apr 20, 2019 19:05:45 GMT -5
i think when she miscarries on the show they might amp up the paranoia and just general craziness. I think this is what will happen. That's the purpose of that pregnancy. To give her hope that she has some future, some chance to start again, and then to take that away from her. This will be her final straw. She will realize that she lost eveything, Jaime, family, her children, any reason to live. Her only motivation will be revenge against the whole world IMO. And then, when everyone is dead, she will let Night King kill her as well, but she will be the last one standing. That's why I think she will send (part of) CG north. She will have nothing to lose. She just wants everyone to die. To watch the world burn.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2019 19:30:36 GMT -5
i think when she miscarries on the show they might amp up the paranoia and just general craziness. I think this is what will happen. That's the purpose of that pregnancy. To give her hope that she has some future, some chance to start again, and then to take that away from her. This will be her final straw. She will realize that she lost eveything, Jaime, family, her children, any reason to live. Her only motivation will be revenge against the whole world IMO. And then, when everyone is dead, she will let Night King kill her as well, but she will be the last one standing. That's why I think she will send (part of) CG north. She will have nothing to lose. She just wants everyone to die. To watch the world burn. that could very well be But I’m hesitant to believe she’d go as far as to kamikaze her own forces and welcome zombies to come kill her. If she wanted to kill herself, there’s far easier ways. All she’s ever wanted was to be Queen. And now she is. It’s bittersweet because she has lost literally everything in order to put and keep the crown on her head, but it’s still what she wants. I don’t think a miscarriage would make her suddenly forsake the mission she’s dedicated literally her entire life to. Remember 701 when Jaime points out she has no heir, and shes kind of flippant and just says then it’s all for her, then. I kind of feel like that will be her attitude- let me get as much power as I can while I’m still alive, because once I’m gone, it doesn’t matter.
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Post by belle on Apr 20, 2019 19:46:51 GMT -5
I think this is what will happen. That's the purpose of that pregnancy. To give her hope that she has some future, some chance to start again, and then to take that away from her. This will be her final straw. She will realize that she lost eveything, Jaime, family, her children, any reason to live. Her only motivation will be revenge against the whole world IMO. And then, when everyone is dead, she will let Night King kill her as well, but she will be the last one standing. That's why I think she will send (part of) CG north. She will have nothing to lose. She just wants everyone to die. To watch the world burn. that could very well be But I’m hesitant to believe she’d go as far as to kamikaze her own forces and welcome zombies to come kill her. If she wanted to kill herself, there’s far easier ways. All she’s ever wanted was to be Queen. And now she is. It’s bittersweet because she has lost literally everything in order to put and keep the crown on her head, but it’s still what she wants. I don’t think a miscarriage would make her suddenly forsake the mission she’s dedicated literally her entire life to. Remember 701 when Jaime points out she has no heir, and shes kind of flippant and just says then it’s all for her, then. I kind of feel like that will be her attitude- let me get as much power as I can while I’m still alive, because once I’m gone, it doesn’t matter. She still had Jaime in 701 though and I think she subconsciously wanted to get pregnant again.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2019 19:57:22 GMT -5
that could very well be But I’m hesitant to believe she’d go as far as to kamikaze her own forces and welcome zombies to come kill her. If she wanted to kill herself, there’s far easier ways. All she’s ever wanted was to be Queen. And now she is. It’s bittersweet because she has lost literally everything in order to put and keep the crown on her head, but it’s still what she wants. I don’t think a miscarriage would make her suddenly forsake the mission she’s dedicated literally her entire life to. Remember 701 when Jaime points out she has no heir, and shes kind of flippant and just says then it’s all for her, then. I kind of feel like that will be her attitude- let me get as much power as I can while I’m still alive, because once I’m gone, it doesn’t matter. She still had Jaime in 701 though and I think she subconsciously wanted to get pregnant again. true but whether she has a brother-boyfriend or not, that doesn’t change that fact that she was the first and last of a doomed Lannister dynasty. Idk about her trying to get pregnant, remember Qyburn basically offered her an abortion. I doubt he would do that if she was planning on another baby. Besides, the baby changes her tactics in the fight against Dany. First she declares she would rather fight her to the death, then learns she’s pregnant and decides to be a little more shrewd. So I don’t think the baby was planned IMO.
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Post by belle on Apr 20, 2019 20:01:43 GMT -5
She still had Jaime in 701 though and I think she subconsciously wanted to get pregnant again. true but whether she has a brother-boyfriend or not, that doesn’t change that fact that she was the first and last of a doomed Lannister dynasty. Idk about her trying to get pregnant, remember Qyburn basically offered her an abortion. I doubt he would do that if she was planning on another baby. Besides, the baby changes her tactics in the fight against Dany. First she declares she would rather fight her to the death, then learns she’s pregnant and decides to be a little more shrewd. So I don’t think the baby was planned IMO. I agree it wasn’t planned. but when she had Jaime a baby was a possibility and after she miscarries it won’t be.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2019 20:07:12 GMT -5
true but whether she has a brother-boyfriend or not, that doesn’t change that fact that she was the first and last of a doomed Lannister dynasty. Idk about her trying to get pregnant, remember Qyburn basically offered her an abortion. I doubt he would do that if she was planning on another baby. Besides, the baby changes her tactics in the fight against Dany. First she declares she would rather fight her to the death, then learns she’s pregnant and decides to be a little more shrewd. So I don’t think the baby was planned IMO. I agree it wasn’t planned. but when she had Jaime a baby was a possibility and after she miscarries it won’t be. oh well yeah, now she really really has nothing
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Post by belle on Apr 20, 2019 20:09:29 GMT -5
I agree it wasn’t planned. but when she had Jaime a baby was a possibility and after she miscarries it won’t be. oh well yeah, now she really really has nothing That’s what I’ve been trying to say the whole time lol.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2019 20:13:47 GMT -5
oh well yeah, now she really really has nothing That’s what I’ve been trying to say the whole time lol. wdym
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 21, 2019 7:32:50 GMT -5
If Dany is pregnant, when do you think the latest episode can be for the reveal? Nothing happened in episode 1. Should it be 2/3 or 4? I can't see it happening in 3 as there's too much else going on for her to discover she's pregnant. To me it has to be either 2 or 4. If not in 4, I don't think she will be. Even that episode is getting a bit late in the day for my liking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 7:43:08 GMT -5
If Dany is pregnant, when do you think the latest episode can be for the reveal? Nothing happened in episode 1. Should it be 2/3 or 4? I can't see it happening in 3 as there's too much else going on for her to discover she's pregnant. To me it has to be either 2 or 4. If not in 4, I don't think she will be. Even that episode is getting a bit late in the day for my liking. I'd say 2 because 4 feels far too late. I'm starting to question that it happens at all now, though.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 21, 2019 9:04:26 GMT -5
If Dany is pregnant, when do you think the latest episode can be for the reveal? Nothing happened in episode 1. Should it be 2/3 or 4? I can't see it happening in 3 as there's too much else going on for her to discover she's pregnant. To me it has to be either 2 or 4. If not in 4, I don't think she will be. Even that episode is getting a bit late in the day for my liking. I'd say 2 because 4 feels far too late. I'm starting to question that it happens at all now, though. I agree. Unless there are time jumps between episode 4 and 6, I am beginning to question whether it will even happen at all.
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Post by Envie on Apr 21, 2019 12:41:50 GMT -5
I'd say 2 because 4 feels far too late. I'm starting to question that it happens at all now, though. I agree. Unless there are time jumps between episode 4 and 6, I am beginning to question whether it will even happen at all. This has been my primary complaint with a pregnancy plot all along. They waited so long to get to the ending, now it all just feels rushed, with Jon's identity, the Night King taking down the wall and attacking, etc. So, how does the reveal make a meaningful ending if both Jon and Daenerys live? Will they just ride off into the sunset and we don't know whether they have a boy or a girl? That doesn't feel satisfying at all. For those fans who favor a baby sacrifice (I don't) how does that happen... in the final episode? That feels like 8 seasons of massive buildup for a tragic ending to me. Will there be a prologue to explain what happens to the baby? None of that really feels right, but I'm not the writers, so I will leave it to them to tell the story and any pregnancy they are going to sandwich in to the remaining 5 episodes of this saga IF it's going to happen.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 21, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -5
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there's no baby. But I was so brainwashed in the off-season that I am now 99.9% expecting the baby to happen I have my own theories about the ending (some of them are on the theories thread) but mostly I just want to be surprised. And I want Dany to play an active role until the end, something she can't do if she's about to give birth.
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Post by Envie on Apr 21, 2019 12:55:38 GMT -5
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there's no baby. But I was so brainwashed in the off-season that I am now 99.9% expecting the baby to happen I have my own theories about the ending (some of them are on the theories thread) but mostly I just want to be surprised. And I want Dany to play an active role until the end, something she can't do if she's about to give birth.Good point I've always wondered about too. Unless she keeps it a secret, I don't see how Jon or anyone would let her get on Drogon to fight in whatever end battles happen.
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