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Post by alcasinoroyale on Apr 29, 2019 0:56:42 GMT -5
BTW, both Alyssa Rosenberg and Alan Sepinwall (who are probably the two most prominent TV critics and fans of the show) both kind of hated this ep for many of the same reasons I have mentioned. You do have good points, but I remember that she hated Hardhome so I can't take her seriously.
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Post by Envie on Apr 29, 2019 0:56:55 GMT -5
At this point there's no way they don't, considering how they plotted this season two years in advance and wanted this many episodes since s3. Now what it might be I haven't the foggiest but I'm confident they've got something solid in mind or they wouldn't have gone this route. They've been keeping the second half of the season very secretive and now thinking more about the filming schedule, they spent nearly 3 months at the KL set in Belfast so they obviously have something big planned there. I really hope you're right. 3 months of filming on the King's Landing set can't just be a whole lot of dialogue and shade being thrown back and forth. There's got to be more to it than our 'heroes' (still laughing that both Dany/Jon got sidelined at the very end) banging down Cersei's door with their ragtag army of misfit survivors.
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Post by konradsmith on Apr 29, 2019 0:57:05 GMT -5
Sepinwall's hated the show for years. He can eat a shoe. He loved last week's ep so that's not true. That makes one in dozens he's said a kind word for. Generally he's taken a lazily dismissive stance towards the show since probably s4. He presents himself as some great kingmaker critic who picks and chooses the losers and winners but I've never found much he's said interesting.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2019 1:02:20 GMT -5
They've been keeping the second half of the season very secretive and now thinking more about the filming schedule, they spent nearly 3 months at the KL set in Belfast so they obviously have something big planned there. I really hope you're right. 3 months of filming on the King's Landing set can't just be a whole lot of dialogue and shade being thrown back and forth. There's got to be more to it than our 'heroes' (still laughing that both Dany/Jon got sidelined at the very end) banging down Cersei's door with their ragtag army of misfit survivors. The problem is that we know the Gold Company is there to fight and that's probably what much of what looks like E5 is going to be about, them defending KL against the characters we like. And obviously, because the GC is essentially just fodder, that battle will not be compelling, especially coming on the heels of everything we saw here. It would have been so much better if they would have been dispatched by this point but it looks like the big climax of the season in terms of action at least, will just be a Tier 2 fight that we ultimately have no stakes in because we know what the outcome will be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 1:29:38 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this. Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution. There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves. This. So fucking much this. Apart from few scenes (Lyanna Mormont killing the wight giant, Jon surviving being surrounded by fuckin dozens of wights) I loved the episode until Arya killed the Night King. I seriously yelled out loud "WHAT THE FUCK" out of anger. I've been saying it as long as I've been fan of this series: the White Walker threat being resolved without any serious casualties is bad fucking storytelling and this is what just happened. Everything feels pointless now, I am seriously pondering what the fuck was the intention with this plot? A seven. Good cinematography, great score, awesome action and everything won't save them from the worst twist yet. We'll have to see what happens next but I doubt it will satisfy me at all.
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Post by Basil on Apr 29, 2019 2:02:40 GMT -5
I can't justify giving this episode anything other than 10.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 2:35:47 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this. Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution. There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves. You, me, beer.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 29, 2019 2:54:34 GMT -5
10 for the episode itself which was fantastic. Yes. I am awarding a 10. Me!
As with King Tommen I'm worried that losing the Aotd this early may be an issue. We shall see in due course
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 29, 2019 2:56:08 GMT -5
10 for the episode itself which was fantastic. Yes. I am awarding a 10. Me! As with King Tommen I'm worried that losing the Aotd this early may be an issue. We shall see in due course Bonus points for Lyanna getting squished
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Post by laurya on Apr 29, 2019 2:58:00 GMT -5
@ the two people that gave a four. Who hurt you?
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 29, 2019 5:21:18 GMT -5
@ the two people that gave a four. Who hurt you? I thought it sucked, I wrote why it sucked and I think a 4 was generous. Have no clue who the second person was. The war for the dawn was basiclly nothing more than a plot device to weaken Jon and Dany and has zero depth to it and no development of the story. It's mostly a red herring. Bran equals homing beacon, NK = the worst big bad ever. Doesn't talk, has no plan, goal? Kill. Worst villian ever, nothing to him. Epic fight with the big bad? Nope, never even drew his sword. He did go for a walk. That was exciting, he walked. Oh and he lifted his hands. Army of the dead, sort of saw them it was dark though. The Others? They went for a walk too. How nice. Arya? Teleports to right behind the NK even though he is surrounded by his minions and none of them notice. Bran? Useless, went for a flight with his birds, did nothing. Oh wait does sitting count? No emotion at all. Might as well slap a hard drive in the chair, it would be no different. Arya was good for the most part, the battle was basiclly boiled down to the main cast as quickly as they could. Not that any of them said much. Some nice visuals but also some very bad visuals, and the crypts were good. We didn't spend years and years building up to some nice Tyrion Sansa moments in the crypts. The NK isn't a character he's a McGuffin, so is Bran and so was Arya. They didn't develop this. Some last minute bs for shock value. Do yeah a 4 and again it was generous but I didn't see a dog shit option.
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Post by katjushka on Apr 29, 2019 5:22:59 GMT -5
At this point there's no way they don't, considering how they plotted this season two years in advance and wanted this many episodes since s3. Now what it might be I haven't the foggiest but I'm confident they've got something solid in mind or they wouldn't have gone this route. My (maybe misguided) fear is that like some ASOIAF fans, they have had the notion that they needed to just "deal" with the supernatural story in its entirety first and then end the series with the Game of Thrones. So they planned a huge spectacle to take care of this messy WW stuff so we could then pretend like it didn't really matter for the end run of the show which will now go back to the palace intrigue stuff. And I really don't think that's how Martin is going to deal with it. This is a fantasy story first and foremost with the backdrop of the War of the Roses to provide your entry point. If you are just going to fully dispense with the fantasy elements before the end of the story, that's a grave mistake IMO. But there's still plenty of fantasy elements left on the show though? Also Martin very recently said he feels the show follows the books about 97 % of the time, he's never spared his words if the show has done something he doesn't like so I don't see him lying and pretending it's all fine now if that's not truely the case.
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Post by nikma on Apr 29, 2019 5:24:33 GMT -5
Didn't you criticize the possibility that NK goes to KL? Well, you get what you wanted.
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Post by katjushka on Apr 29, 2019 5:29:08 GMT -5
While there are elements in this episode that are generally great, I fucking hate that they had this taking place in the dark, I hated it during Blackwater and pretty much hate any battle sequence done this way. They do it for logistical reasons obviously but it would have been 10x better to be able to see what the hell was going on in so many of the scenes. Hardhome and the Field of Fire 2 are your greatest examples of this. Also, I can't honestly rate this until I see the rest of the eps because I literally have lost interest in what they're going to do next. I don't care about whether or not Cersei stays on the throne (spoiler, she isn't). And now all the conflict and supernatural aspect of the story has just been extinguished and it kind of seems like it's pointless it even existed in the first place if this was going to be the resolution. There's four hours left and the preview for E4 doesn't look to have anything compelling going on so they're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of their asses to have this final season wrap things up in the fashion that it deserves. This. So fucking much this. Apart from few scenes (Lyanna Mormont killing the wight giant, Jon surviving being surrounded by fuckin dozens of wights) I loved the episode until Arya killed the Night King. I seriously yelled out loud "WHAT THE FUCK" out of anger. I've been saying it as long as I've been fan of this series: the White Walker threat being resolved without any serious casualties is bad fucking storytelling and this is what just happened. Everything feels pointless now, I am seriously pondering what the fuck was the intention with this plot? A seven. Good cinematography, great score, awesome action and everything won't save them from the worst twist yet. We'll have to see what happens next but I doubt it will satisfy me at all. I know you probably mean casualties among the characters we know and care about but I still have to state the obvious. There has been massive casualties in this war, NK and his army have destroyed entire families and villages, killed countless people and posed a threat for the entire continent. I personally don't understand why main characters have to die in order for the story to be believable. After all they are chosen by someone to be the main characters and could have been chosen for the exact reason that they survive until the end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 5:42:47 GMT -5
This. So fucking much this. Apart from few scenes (Lyanna Mormont killing the wight giant, Jon surviving being surrounded by fuckin dozens of wights) I loved the episode until Arya killed the Night King. I seriously yelled out loud "WHAT THE FUCK" out of anger. I've been saying it as long as I've been fan of this series: the White Walker threat being resolved without any serious casualties is bad fucking storytelling and this is what just happened. Everything feels pointless now, I am seriously pondering what the fuck was the intention with this plot? A seven. Good cinematography, great score, awesome action and everything won't save them from the worst twist yet. We'll have to see what happens next but I doubt it will satisfy me at all. I know you probably mean casualties among the characters we know and care about but I still have to state the obvious. There has been massive casualties in this war, NK and his army have destroyed entire families and villages, killed countless people and posed a threat for the entire continent. I personally don't understand why main characters have to die in order for the story to be believable. After all they are chosen by someone to be the main characters and could have been chosen for the exact reason that they survive until the end. I meant that they really didn't go on a kingdom-destroying rampage like I always thought. That's okay i guess but it really annoys me that now everyone south of the Neck can remain in the belief that the WW's were not real. And main characters don't have to die so the story is believable but it's annoying when GoT, known for it's realism, has Jon surviving dozens of wights like this was the Hobbit with every dwarf killing a hundred goblins.
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