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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 0:27:58 GMT -5
Hmmm...what does Jon say? Damn, I finally found a woman prettier than me with better hair.She might be prettier but he has the better hair in all of Planetos.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 27, 2017 10:26:03 GMT -5
To the bolded, that's how I see it as well. The very first encounter is going to be frosty, me thinks. But after that it'll be a slow chipping away of their "masks" until they finally reveal their true selves to one another. Which really very few people have seen. Dany couldn't be quite herself with Drogo, it's not like they would sit down to have deep meaningful conversations. And Jon couldn't be quite himself with Ygritte given he was planning on double crossing her the whole time. Neither Jon nor Dany have to hide these things from each other so they'll be able to truly be the,selves if they so choose. I think this is a really good point, one that never gets addressed very often. Jon and Dany loved before, but they weren't able to give themselves completely. Dany was unequal to Drogo in a lot of ways, both in strength and power. She gained more over time, but it seems like she didn't become the Dany we know until he died. Jon meanwhile was holding himself back intentionally. He never fully gave himself to Ygritte, which also made it an unequal relationship. I don't know if Dany and Jon have ever had someone who knows them completely. It could be argued Arya knew the real Jon, but he's a different man than he was then. While Jorah and Tyrion see a lot of Dany, she tends to keep certain parts of herself hidden. This would be huge for the audience, because we'll be seeing new sides to Jon and Dany that we didn't see before.Very true, they neither of them have a trye confident, not anymore. And the burden of rulling weighs heavy for the two of them, which is one of the parallels I always enjoyed. No one who hasn't done it can understand you. Tyrion can understand the management part but not the leadership part, which is also part of the burden. I hope that we see some conversation discussing some of these things and that they don't just get gloseed over.
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Post by Lils on Jul 27, 2017 12:00:42 GMT -5
I think this is a really good point, one that never gets addressed very often. Jon and Dany loved before, but they weren't able to give themselves completely. Dany was unequal to Drogo in a lot of ways, both in strength and power. She gained more over time, but it seems like she didn't become the Dany we know until he died. Jon meanwhile was holding himself back intentionally. He never fully gave himself to Ygritte, which also made it an unequal relationship. I don't know if Dany and Jon have ever had someone who knows them completely. It could be argued Arya knew the real Jon, but he's a different man than he was then. While Jorah and Tyrion see a lot of Dany, she tends to keep certain parts of herself hidden. This would be huge for the audience, because we'll be seeing new sides to Jon and Dany that we didn't see before.Very true, they neither of them have a trye confident, not anymore. And the burden of rulling weighs heavy for the two of them, which is one of the parallels I always enjoyed. No one who hasn't done it can understand you. Tyrion can understand the management part but not the leadership part, which is also part of the burden. I hope that we see some conversation discussing some of these things and that they don't just get gloseed over. I don't think either of them have had a true equal before. For all the comments about Jon "kneeling" or being a "fuckboy/consort" for Dany or Dany "losing herself", these two are now on even playing feels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 3:45:48 GMT -5
I think this is a really good point, one that never gets addressed very often. Jon and Dany loved before, but they weren't able to give themselves completely. Dany was unequal to Drogo in a lot of ways, both in strength and power. She gained more over time, but it seems like she didn't become the Dany we know until he died. Jon meanwhile was holding himself back intentionally. He never fully gave himself to Ygritte, which also made it an unequal relationship. I don't know if Dany and Jon have ever had someone who knows them completely. It could be argued Arya knew the real Jon, but he's a different man than he was then. While Jorah and Tyrion see a lot of Dany, she tends to keep certain parts of herself hidden. This would be huge for the audience, because we'll be seeing new sides to Jon and Dany that we didn't see before.Very true, they neither of them have a trye confident, not anymore. And the burden of rulling weighs heavy for the two of them, which is one of the parallels I always enjoyed. No one who hasn't done it can understand you. Tyrion can understand the management part but not the leadership part, which is also part of the burden. I hope that we see some conversation discussing some of these things and that they don't just get gloseed over. Probably not. Shame but I expect D&D to omit this as they usually do.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 29, 2017 6:56:07 GMT -5
Very true, they neither of them have a trye confident, not anymore. And the burden of rulling weighs heavy for the two of them, which is one of the parallels I always enjoyed. No one who hasn't done it can understand you. Tyrion can understand the management part but not the leadership part, which is also part of the burden. I hope that we see some conversation discussing some of these things and that they don't just get gloseed over. I don't think either of them have had a true equal before. For all the comments about Jon "kneeling" or being a "fuckboy/consort" for Dany or Dany "losing herself", these two are now on even playing feels. Agree. Which I think will be part of what attacks them to one another. Very true, they neither of them have a trye confident, not anymore. And the burden of rulling weighs heavy for the two of them, which is one of the parallels I always enjoyed. No one who hasn't done it can understand you. Tyrion can understand the management part but not the leadership part, which is also part of the burden. I hope that we see some conversation discussing some of these things and that they don't just get gloseed over. Probably not. Shame but I expect D&D to omit this as they usually do. Probably
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Post by cjs on Jul 29, 2017 17:56:34 GMT -5
Finally after the long wait, it's happening. Jon and Daenerys will finally meet. I know there's other's here like Lils that are all about Jonerys, but you and I have been championing it for SO LONG! Sweet vindication is almost upon us. Funny enough, I think I may remember you from several years ago (2012 or 2013) in Westeros.org arguing those topics. I was mostly a lurker at the time but the tide on those forums were completely against this even possibly happening. I wonder if 'Apple Martini' is still around. I remember she in particular was vehemently against these two ever getting together. Her reaction to this would have be amazing
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Post by Envie on Jul 29, 2017 21:56:01 GMT -5
I know there's other's here like Lils that are all about Jonerys, but you and I have been championing it for SO LONG! Sweet vindication is almost upon us. Funny enough, I think I may remember you from several years ago (2012 or 2013) in Westeros.org arguing those topics. I was mostly a lurker at the time but the tide on those forums were completely against this even possibly happening. I wonder if 'Apple Martini' is still around. I remember she in particular was vehemently against these two ever getting together. Her reaction to this would have be amazing I'm a long-standing R+L=J champion who left there the first or second season of the show because of so much hate about it over the years. I can't even begin to imagine how bad it got once people started Jon/Dany shipping. I've already gotten my satisfaction with the show confirming Jon's true heritage but I'd be lying if I didn't admit just a tiny bit of curiosity about what all the R+L=J deniers think of it now.
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Post by Envie on Jul 29, 2017 22:45:30 GMT -5
Well friends, it won't be much longer and we won't have to rely on fan-made photo-shopping and art anymore!
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Post by cjs on Jul 29, 2017 23:13:18 GMT -5
Funny enough, I think I may remember you from several years ago (2012 or 2013) in Westeros.org arguing those topics. I was mostly a lurker at the time but the tide on those forums were completely against this even possibly happening. I wonder if 'Apple Martini' is still around. I remember she in particular was vehemently against these two ever getting together. Her reaction to this would have be amazing I'm a long-standing R+L=J champion who left there the first or second season of the show because of so much hate about it over the years. I can't even begin to imagine how bad it got once people started Jon/Dany shipping. I've already gotten my satisfaction with the show confirming Jon's true heritage but I'd be lying if I didn't admit just a tiny bit of curiosity about what all the R+L=J deniers think of it now. Same. I actually still post their occasionally but the R&R (with Elio and Linda's blessings) have pretty much driven off a huge chunk off the people there. But in this case, I'm referring more to the Asoiaf forum where only book discussion was allowed. There, everyone sneered at people who thought Jon and Dany might hook up at some point. Various arguments were used against them. I'm sure everyone here has heard those arguments a million times though so I don't need to restate them LOL
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Jul 30, 2017 8:45:57 GMT -5
[article] But in this case, I'm referring more to the Asoiaf forum where only book discussion was allowed. There, everyone sneered at people who thought Jon and Dany might hook up at some point. Various arguments were used against them. I'm sure everyone here has heard those arguments a million times though so I don't need to restate them LOL
See, even when I read the books I could see the clues for Jon and Dany. Martin's parallels are masterful, but as has been discussed in great detail, they are truly given away during Dany's HotU visions.
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Post by Lils on Jul 30, 2017 10:22:06 GMT -5
This week just dragged. 6 seasons and 20 years! At last!
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Post by sercreighton on Jul 30, 2017 12:20:10 GMT -5
Well friends, it won't be much longer and we won't have to rely on fan-made photo-shopping and art anymore! It's a good thing I have plenty of drugs to sedate myself, cause I am going to lose my shit tonight.
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Post by Envie on Jul 30, 2017 12:37:43 GMT -5
This week just dragged. 6 seasons and 20 years! At last! We have all journeyed so far to see the dragon and wolf finally meet on even ground ...
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Post by Envie on Jul 30, 2017 12:39:26 GMT -5
Well friends, it won't be much longer and we won't have to rely on fan-made photo-shopping and art anymore! It's a good thing I have plenty of drugs to sedate myself, cause I am going to lose my shit tonight. Hey friend, glad you're back and doing well (if sedated) from your surgery!
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Post by Lils on Jul 30, 2017 13:59:14 GMT -5
This week just dragged. 6 seasons and 20 years! At last! We have all journeyed so far to see the dragon and wolf finally meet on even ground ... We're going to have to pop some champagne to celebrate!
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