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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:53:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that was what I meant by leaving the baby behind, I just couldn't bring myself to write it!! Well, I can see why fans might like/hate this idea as it would bring the whole thing full circle where Jon was raised by Ned so that's definitely some bittersweet irony. But the difference this time around being Jon's baby will know who his/her Mother was and how heroic and wonderful she was and saved them. I'm one of those who is trying to keep an open mind on the theories that one or both of them dies, or neither. I think the 'arrow' theory is also at least a valid concern though I don't like the idea of Daenerys dying at all, much less the same way Ygritte did. That seems gratuitously over the top. Stop scaring us, people.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Aug 30, 2017 11:02:17 GMT -5
You know with all the talk of arrows I surprised Jon is not insisting she wear armor. Who knows maybe it will be a gift. In the books she does think about armor for the future when the dragons are big enough to ride. She actually sees herself in armor Incidentally, someone else dreamed of seeing themselves in black armor This is an interesting parallelk that I've not seen discussed. Both have prophetic dreams and they're both armored in black.
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Post by Envie on Aug 30, 2017 11:10:14 GMT -5
This is an interesting parallel that I've not seen discussed. Both have prophetic dreams and they're both armored in black.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Aug 30, 2017 11:12:57 GMT -5
Yep, that one too....^^^^
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Post by katjushka on Aug 30, 2017 11:17:35 GMT -5
Yeah, that was what I meant by leaving the baby behind, I just couldn't bring myself to write it!! Well, I can see why fans might like/hate this idea as it would bring the whole thing full circle where Jon was raised by Ned so that's definitely some bittersweet irony. But the difference this time around being Jon's baby will know who his/her Mother was and how heroic and wonderful she was and saved them. I'm one of those who is trying to keep an open mind on the theories that one or both of them dies, or neither. I think the 'arrow' theory is also at least a valid concern though I don't like the idea of Daenerys dying at all, much less the same way Ygritte did. That seems gratuitously over the top. Jon, the reluctant king, sitting on the throne with a baby in his arms. Having saved the people of Westeros but lost the love of his life in the process. There's something, something there. I don't want it to happen but somehow it feels a little right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 11:20:02 GMT -5
Well, I can see why fans might like/hate this idea as it would bring the whole thing full circle where Jon was raised by Ned so that's definitely some bittersweet irony. But the difference this time around being Jon's baby will know who his/her Mother was and how heroic and wonderful she was and saved them. I'm one of those who is trying to keep an open mind on the theories that one or both of them dies, or neither. I think the 'arrow' theory is also at least a valid concern though I don't like the idea of Daenerys dying at all, much less the same way Ygritte did. That seems gratuitously over the top. Jon, the reluctant king, sitting on the throne with a baby in his arms. Having saved the people of Westeros but lost the love of his life in the process. There's something, something there. I don't want it to happen but somehow it feels a little right. Sadly, there is a bittersweet vibe around this. Even these "spoiler" or fan theory said this. I guess, people thinks of this option very loudly but still it's Jon get this and that.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Aug 30, 2017 11:25:12 GMT -5
Jon, the reluctant king, sitting on the throne with a baby in his arms. Having saved the people of Westeros but lost the love of his life in the process. There's something, something there. I don't want it to happen but somehow it feels a little right. I've pictured this for years, but I sure hope that I'm mistaken.
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Post by Lils on Aug 30, 2017 11:30:22 GMT -5
I've just never been of the theory that Jon and/or Dany will die. I've gone into it before, but GRRM always mentions the aftermath of war and administration. That seems to be what he wants to focus on and I could see him wanting to explore what Jon and Dany do. There's a reason "together" is used so often with Jon/Dany. They are merged now, their future is one.
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on Aug 30, 2017 11:37:41 GMT -5
I've just never been of the theory that Jon and/or Dany will die. I've gone into it before, but GRRM always mentions the aftermath of war and administration. That seems to be what he wants to focus on and I could see him wanting to explore what Jon and Dany do. There's a reason "together" is used so often with Jon/Dany. They are merged now, their future is one. Yes, this gives me hope, because he's been vocal about how Tolkien didn't tell us how Aragorn and Arwen ruled, just that they ruled wisely. I just know how he likes to jerk the rug out from under us if he thinks we're comfortable with the way things are going.
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Post by milyagaryen on Aug 30, 2017 11:44:16 GMT -5
Jon, the reluctant king, sitting on the throne with a baby in his arms. Having saved the people of Westeros but lost the love of his life in the process. There's something, something there. I don't want it to happen but somehow it feels a little right. I've pictured this for years, but I sure hope that I'm mistaken. Oh god, this is just tragic. . All I can say is that if one of them is going to die, we'd better get some legit happy scenes between them next season before it happens.
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Post by Lils on Aug 30, 2017 11:54:51 GMT -5
I've just never been of the theory that Jon and/or Dany will die. I've gone into it before, but GRRM always mentions the aftermath of war and administration. That seems to be what he wants to focus on and I could see him wanting to explore what Jon and Dany do. There's a reason "together" is used so often with Jon/Dany. They are merged now, their future is one. Yes, this gives me hope, because he's been vocal about how Tolkien didn't tell us how Aragorn and Arwen ruled, just that they ruled wisely. I just know how he likes to jerk the rug out from under us if he thinks we're comfortable with the way things are going. The way I look at that is that he has kept the "shocking" deaths to near the beginning of the story. Notice in the show that there really aren't any Red Wedding style deaths. We had the sept, but this season? How many main characters were killed compared to earlier seasons? The story is different now. The point of those shocking moments was to make us feel like the main characters weren't safe and it worked. But now it's expected and I can't see him ending this journey with death. He said we will have a satisfactory ending and losing Dany and/or Jon isn't that. GRRM isn't big on battles, he's a conscientious objector and that shows up in his AWOIAF book, specifically how the Children and the First Men ended their war. It was through a deal, it was outside of the box and I suspect he will do that again. He likes the politics, the battles are less so for him.
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Post by Lils on Aug 30, 2017 11:58:40 GMT -5
This is a really good video that theorizes how the story will end in regards to the Battle for the Dawn. It's a compelling argument. One thing that is important is to remember what sort of author GRRM and his personal beliefs regarding war. It's not glamorous and a heroic sacrifice falls more into "tragic" instead of bittersweet. I honestly think that the war will end with something we aren't expecting.
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Post by lojzelote on Aug 30, 2017 13:00:01 GMT -5
Why are you guys feeling down? We've just got five episodes of Jon/Dany content with baby foreshadowing! Have I interrupted an obligatory masochism hour or something? Frankly, I think you are worrying over nothing. For years people argumented that her reunion with Drogo and Rhaego signifies her death, although Jon back from the dead to tell us that there is no afterlife. For years people have claimed she will totes die in childbirth, now she will totes die by an arrow. I don't know if she will die or not, but what I know for totes is that she can't die both in childbirth and by arrow, LOL, so there's got to be some BS in all this totes analysis. I'll be honest: I see zero reasons as to why Dany should die and I've never understood why people are searching for anything that could foreshadow her death. I haven't seen this with any other character except Arya. With both of them people take one sentence or one scene and consider it a clear confirmation that the character in question will die. Also - this is not a proof of anything but purely my personal sentiment - I really hate the trope of a dead mother. It's a trope appearing often in fiction, and it's disturbing. Even GRRM participates in this awful trope - and not only with Rhaella, Lyanna, and Joanna. Catelyn and her children are literally the exception proving the rule. Which characters think of their mothers ever? Catelyn has a relationship with her father and uncle, but she hardly even mentions her mother. Ned never ever thinks of his mother, although Lyarra Stark should lay in the crypts next her husband and children. Cersei and Jaime don't think of their mother much either, although they've got to remember her. Brienne's mother conveniently died soon as well. Arianne's mother? Not dead, but completely absent, left for Norvos years ago. Theon and Asha's mother? Allegedly used to be badass, but now she's crazy and Lady Not Appearing. Pretty much all the main characters have complex relationship with their fathers or father figures, but mothers are an idolized pantheon from another sphere that doesn't have any bearing on their children's life. It's like if mothers aren't allowed to have any influence on their children except popping them out. I'd really hate if the same fate befell Daenerys in the end. The theme of being a mother is so strong in her arc - I hope she actually gets to be a mother to her child instead of an idealized heroine from a song that died after pushing it out. Okay, that's it. Rant over.
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Post by Lils on Aug 30, 2017 13:03:06 GMT -5
Why are you guys feeling down? We've just got five episodes of Jon/Dany content with baby foreshadowing! Have I interrupted an obligatory masochism hour or something? Frankly, I think you are worrying over nothing. For years people argumented that her reunion with Drogo and Rhaego signifies her death, although Jon back from the dead to tell us that there is no afterlife. For years people have claimed she will totes die in childbirth, now she will totes die by an arrow. I don't know if she will die or not, but what I know for totes is that she can't die both in childbirth and by arrow, LOL, so there's got to be some BS in all this totes analysis. I'll be honest: I see zero reasons as to why Dany should die and I've never understood why people are searching for anything that could foreshadow her death. I haven't seen this with any other character except Arya. With both of them people take one sentence or one scene and consider it a clear confirmation that the character in question will die. Also - this is not a proof of anything but purely my personal sentiment - I really hate the trope of a dead mother. It's a trope appearing often in fiction, and it's disturbing. Even GRRM participates in this awful trope - and not only with Rhaella, Lyanna, and Joanna. Catelyn and her children are literally the exception proving the rule. Which characters think of their mothers ever? Catelyn has a relationship with her father and uncle, but she hardly even mentions her mother. Ned never ever thinks of his mother, although Lyarra Stark should lay in the crypts next her husband and children. Cersei and Jaime don't think of their mother much either, although they've got to remember her. Brienne's mother conveniently died soon as well. Arianne's mother? Not dead, but completely absent, left for Norvos years ago. Theon and Asha's mother? Allegedly used to be badass, but now she's crazy and Lady Not Appearing. Pretty much all the main characters have complex relationship with their fathers or father figures, but mothers are an idolized pantheon from another sphere that doesn't have any bearing on their children's life. It's like if mothers aren't allowed to have any influence on their children except popping them out. I'd really hate if the same fate befell Daenerys in the end. The theme of being a mother is so strong in her arc - I hope she actually gets to be a mother to her child instead of an idealized heroine from a song that died after pushing it out. Okay, that's it. Rant over. Well how else do you expect us to spend our lunch hour?
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Post by moiaf on Aug 30, 2017 13:06:37 GMT -5
Why are you guys feeling down? We've just got five episodes of Jon/Dany content with baby foreshadowing! Have I interrupted an obligatory masochism hour or something? Frankly, I think you are worrying over nothing. For years people argumented that her reunion with Drogo and Rhaego signifies her death, although Jon back from the dead to tell us that there is no afterlife. For years people have claimed she will totes die in childbirth, now she will totes die by an arrow. I don't know if she will die or not, but what I know for totes is that she can't die both in childbirth and by arrow, LOL, so there's got to be some BS in all this totes analysis. I'll be honest: I see zero reasons as to why Dany should die and I've never understood why people are searching for anything that could foreshadow her death. I haven't seen this with any other character except Arya. With both of them people take one sentence or one scene and consider it a clear confirmation that the character in question will die. Also - this is not a proof of anything but purely my personal sentiment - I really hate the trope of a dead mother. It's a trope appearing often in fiction, and it's disturbing. Even GRRM participates in this awful trope - and not only with Rhaella, Lyanna, and Joanna. Catelyn and her children are literally the exception proving the rule. Which characters think of their mothers ever? Catelyn has a relationship with her father and uncle, but she hardly even mentions her mother. Ned never ever thinks of his mother, although Lyarra Stark should lay in the crypts next her husband and children. Cersei and Jaime don't think of their mother much either, although they've got to remember her. Brienne's mother conveniently died soon as well. Arianne's mother? Not dead, but completely absent, left for Norvos years ago. Theon and Asha's mother? Allegedly used to be badass, but now she's crazy and Lady Not Appearing. Pretty much all the main characters have complex relationship with their fathers or father figures, but mothers are an idolized pantheon from another sphere that doesn't have any bearing on their children's life. It's like if mothers aren't allowed to have any influence on their children except popping them out. I'd really hate if the same fate befell Daenerys in the end. The theme of being a mother is so strong in her arc - I hope she actually gets to be a mother to her child instead of an idealized heroine from a song that died after pushing it out. Okay, that's it. Rant over. I apologize if this makes you uncomfortable but I find your rant super sexy. Grrrrr. On a positive note, I'll finally be home tomorrow. I've enjoyed my vacation but I'm looking forward to sleeping on my bed. It's a comfy one.
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