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Post by konradsmith on Aug 18, 2016 23:33:48 GMT -5
Maybe he catches Jorah trying to sneak in and find a Maester to help cure his greyscale. Could be. Though I think Jorah would just get in via ship. Though come to think of it so would Jaqen or anyone else who needed to show up. In this way I guess KL makes a bit more sense since it'll be in more of a lockdown mode. Though come to think of it the City Guard isn't specified as being at the gate like the Gate Guard character up in the North is. He could be patrolling the streets of wherever he is too. So it could still be Oldtown and just finding someone up after curfew or something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 0:41:39 GMT -5
It really was a huge missed opportunity. Well Mel's just gotta move on to bigger and better things now. Leave Snow in the rearview and find someone who doesn't mind petty infractions like human sacrifice. She should've said, "Jeez, Jon do you EVEN utilitarianism?" And then asked if her being banished meant he wanted her to unressurect him too. I won't forgive that ungrateful weenie for at least a few more weeks. Â
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 19, 2016 0:48:46 GMT -5
Well Mel's just gotta move on to bigger and better things now. Leave Snow in the rearview and find someone who doesn't mind petty infractions like human sacrifice. She should've said, "Jeez, Jon do you EVEN utilitarianism?" And then asked if her being banished meant he wanted her to unressurect him too. I won't forgive that ungrateful weenie for at least a few more weeks. That 2010 Emilia. Reminds me I still have to rewatch 110. Mel could go that way. But then she's a hipster R'hollorist, so she'll go, "Who's Kinvara backing?" They'll go, "Dany." And she'll go, "Hmm, that seems a bit obvious. I think I'll go with..."
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Post by breakfest on Aug 19, 2016 6:30:14 GMT -5
Finally something meaty.
Can't say I have a clue who any of them could be though. Warrior is the most intriguing, since it seems to be the largest role. I have a feeling all of these will be invented characters.
Filming dates would help a lot to gauge whether any of these roles will film on location.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 19, 2016 6:36:03 GMT -5
Absolutely, Jon earned that for being who he was not because of his last name. Also, I just think that this news is going to devastate him, he will find no happiness in the news of his biological parents are. He might come to terms with it eventually but I can't see him dealing with the news well at all. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, Ned raised Jon and was a father to him anyway. There's also a possibility he will embrace being Lyanna's son; it surely beats almost every other theory he had (mainly a random whore). For all their nobility that the Starks have, they put their family first even if the consequences have a dishonorable trait. Ned claiming Jon as an adulteress mirrors Ned claiming Joffrey as the rightful heir to protect Sansa/Arya at Baelor. Echo Brandon and Rickard at the hands of the Mad King. It wasn't honor on the line but Jon rushing in to attempt to save Rickon was a Stark move-putting family first. Jon's life was saved for Ned's lie. Hopefully he'll get that. He'll eventually appreciate and admire what Ned did for him but I can't see him reacting well to the news of who his parents were. I mean, how would you feel if someone told you, you were adopted (if you're not adopted already)? If someone told me that my mom wasn't my real mom (I didn't grow up with my father so my mom was my only parent) I would be completely devastated. It would shatter my world. If she raised me because my real mom died and she made a promise to raise and take care of me I would eventually understand that and be thankful for it but learning the truth would be earth-shattering to me. Not only because she's not my "real mom" but because she hid the truth from me. You can't rationalize when you initially hear that kind of news.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 19, 2016 7:09:58 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, Ned raised Jon and was a father to him anyway. There's also a possibility he will embrace being Lyanna's son; it surely beats almost every other theory he had (mainly a random whore). For all their nobility that the Starks have, they put their family first even if the consequences have a dishonorable trait. Ned claiming Jon as an adulteress mirrors Ned claiming Joffrey as the rightful heir to protect Sansa/Arya at Baelor. Echo Brandon and Rickard at the hands of the Mad King. It wasn't honor on the line but Jon rushing in to attempt to save Rickon was a Stark move-putting family first. Jon's life was saved for Ned's lie. Hopefully he'll get that. He'll eventually appreciate and admire what Ned did for him but I can't see him reacting well to the news of who his parents were. I mean, how would you feel if someone told you, you were adopted (if you're not adopted already)? If someone told me that my mom wasn't my real mom (I didn't grow up with my father so my mom was my only parent) I would be completely devastated. It would shatter my world. If she raised me because my real mom died and she made a promise to raise and take care of me I would eventually understand that and be thankful for it but learning the truth would be earth-shattering to me. Not only because she's not my "real mom" but because she hid the truth from me. You can't rationalize when you initially hear that kind of news. "I'll kill every Targaryen I get my hands on..." Robert "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned." LyannaBran (and Howland Reed/Benjen Stark) just has to pass on THAT message.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 19, 2016 7:18:56 GMT -5
He'll eventually appreciate and admire what Ned did for him but I can't see him reacting well to the news of who his parents were. I mean, how would you feel if someone told you, you were adopted (if you're not adopted already)? If someone told me that my mom wasn't my real mom (I didn't grow up with my father so my mom was my only parent) I would be completely devastated. It would shatter my world. If she raised me because my real mom died and she made a promise to raise and take care of me I would eventually understand that and be thankful for it but learning the truth would be earth-shattering to me. Not only because she's not my "real mom" but because she hid the truth from me. You can't rationalize when you initially hear that kind of news. "I'll kill every Targaryen I get my hands on..." Robert "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned." LyannaBran (and Howland Reed/Benjen Stark) just has to pass on THAT message. Yeah, but that still doesn't negate the fact that Ned wasn't his real father or better said his biological father (because technically Ned was Jon's real father). You can't rationalize that news at the moment, with time and perspective you can but not at the moment. Jon's identity and his struggle with it is an integral part of his arc and to now find out he is not who he believed himself to be and that he has been lied to his whole life about it, it will destroy him. All good acts aside, this news will not be good news for Jon.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 19, 2016 7:24:40 GMT -5
"I'll kill every Targaryen I get my hands on..." Robert "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned." LyannaBran (and Howland Reed/Benjen Stark) just has to pass on THAT message. Yeah, but that still doesn't negate the fact that Ned wasn't his real father or better said his biological father (because technically Ned was Jon's real father). You can't rationalize that news at the moment, with time and perspective you can but not at the moment. Jon's identity and his struggle with it is an integral part of his arc and to now find out he is not who he believed himself to be and that he has been lied to his whole life about it, it will destroy him. All good acts aside, this news will not be good news for Jon. All my life I wanted to be Jon Stark.Not being a bastard drove his conscious. (Again we'll have to find out if Rhaegar/Lyanna was married, the way the message is passed on, etc.) I obviously respect your POV, but hope he leans my way of thinking here.
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Post by moiaf on Aug 19, 2016 7:38:37 GMT -5
Yeah, but that still doesn't negate the fact that Ned wasn't his real father or better said his biological father (because technically Ned was Jon's real father). You can't rationalize that news at the moment, with time and perspective you can but not at the moment. Jon's identity and his struggle with it is an integral part of his arc and to now find out he is not who he believed himself to be and that he has been lied to his whole life about it, it will destroy him. All good acts aside, this news will not be good news for Jon. All my life I wanted to be Jon Stark.Not being a bastard drove his conscious. (Again we'll have to find out if Rhaegar/Lyanna was married, the way the message is passed on, etc.) I obviously respect your POV, but hope he leans my way of thinking here. Him wanting to be a Stark was specific to wanting to be the legitimate son of Ned Stark. He has no relation or connection to the Targaryens I don't think Rhaegar and Lyanna having a marriage ceremony would make that much of a difference to Jon, because that now entails not being Ned Stark's legitimate son which is all he ever wanted. Whether he is a Targaryen bastard or somehow legitimate doesn't take away the fact that the man he grew up believing to be his father is not his father. Also, keep in mind that even if Lyanna and Rhaegar were madly in love their actions sparked the domino effect that ended up being Robert's Rebellion (I personally don't view either Lyanna or Rhaegar very favorably) that lead to the deaths of Rickon and Brandon and the fall of House Tragaryen. Like I already said, I agree with you that he'll come around to understanding Ned's reasons and will be very grateful for them, it's just not going to happen right away. GRRM has created very realistic characters and as a human being you can't find out that kind of information and not be broken by it.
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Post by Envie on Aug 19, 2016 9:53:21 GMT -5
That 2010 Emilia. Reminds me I still have to rewatch 110. Mel could go that way. But then she's a hipster R'hollorist, so she'll go, "Who's Kinvara backing?" They'll go, "Dany." And she'll go, "Hmm, that seems a bit obvious. I think I'll go with..." Speaking of Kinvara, do we think the actress who played her will let loose if she's coming back or not? I really thought she was going to play a larger role in Season 6 Meereen, but they didn't even show her connecting with Daenerys at all. Odd that was, I thought. I expected Dany to end up with a Melisandre type sidekick the same as Jon because "God-bowl" seemed like a good bet. Now I'm not so sure. The casting for her role was over-hyped I guess. ETA: God-bowl definitely not a thing since Cersei saw to take care of the Sparrow/Seven side of that which is great, but there's still the religion theme between the God of Life, the God of Death and the Old Gods to unravel.
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Post by konradsmith on Aug 19, 2016 14:09:07 GMT -5
That 2010 Emilia. Reminds me I still have to rewatch 110. Mel could go that way. But then she's a hipster R'hollorist, so she'll go, "Who's Kinvara backing?" They'll go, "Dany." And she'll go, "Hmm, that seems a bit obvious. I think I'll go with..." Speaking of Kinvara, do we think the actress who played her will let loose if she's coming back or not? I really thought she was going to play a larger role in Season 6 Meereen, but they didn't even show her connecting with Daenerys at all. Odd that was, I thought. I expected Dany to end up with a Melisandre type sidekick the same as Jon because "God-bowl" seemed like a good bet. Now I'm not so sure. The casting for her role was over-hyped I guess. I hope Ania Bukstein comes back. It would be a crime for her to have only showed up once.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Aug 19, 2016 19:43:07 GMT -5
I hope they will not make Jon fall apart because of his parentage. Yes, Jon always wanted to be trueborn, the trueborn son of Ned Stark. He wanted to be his father's son. He's heard the story of how Ned loved his sister so much he went to war to avenge her. Finding out Lyanna is him mother might be the best thing that every happened. It gives answer to every question he has asked. "Does my mother know me?" "Does she know where I'm going?" "Does she live?" Now he will understand how much it cost Ned to love Lyanna so much; that to save her son, he lied to his friends, his family, and his new wife concerning Jon and his story. I don't think it will matter much to Jon that Rhaegar was his father. The only Targaryen he's known was Master Aemon, and I doubt they spent much time talked about family matters Jon has always aligned himself as a Northern Stark, with the favored daughter as his mother, it makes his claim as King in the North tighter. With Bran dealing with being the 3ER, and Sansa dealing as the Lady of Winterfell, I don't think finding out he is the blood of old Valyria will mean anything to Jon until he learns about Dany and her dragons.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Sept 5, 2016 15:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by Envie on Sept 5, 2016 15:28:43 GMT -5
Or at the very least, the Northern armies are on the move and heading southward. I imagine there will be more tent battle-planning scenes similar to the ones Robb Stark had. I hope they go take back Riverrun and sack the Twins while they're at it to create a choke-point between North/South. Robb and his armies didn't have time to siege but I imagine Jon and crew will.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Sept 5, 2016 15:34:16 GMT -5
Or at the very least, the Northern armies are on the move and heading southward. I imagine there will be more tent battle-planning scenes similar to the ones Robb Stark had. I hope they go take back Riverrun and sack the Twins while they're at it to create a choke-point between North/South. Robb and his armies didn't have time to siege but I imagine Jon and crew will. Yeah that's a good point. They could certainly liberate The Riverlands, but it's also likely that Jon sends men North to defend the abandoned castles on The Wall as well. I could definitely see a few scenes with the Northern Lords dedicated to preparing for the WW invasion too.
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