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Post by sercreighton on Mar 7, 2019 0:43:52 GMT -5
you're right, bud, that's pretty tinfoily. It is tinfoily, but considering the number of times Beric has been resurrected and Melisandre's age, what is deciding how long they live. I would assume the magical abilities and miracles of R'hllor and not really immortality. Jon survived BotB and Beyond the Wall because of luck, plot armor, or the Lord of Light watching over him, but I would think he eventually dies at some point. Especially if the magic disappears from the world once The Great War ends. The resurected can die as easy as anyone else, Beric just got resurected a lot. Mel gets by on magic but still ages.Red priests are juiced but they can die easy enough, Thoros. The Others can also get the axe with the right weapon. So yeah we haven't really seen anything immortal. Jon you must live forever and be forever handsome. "Eeek the agony I have to fight forever, or you know go on an extended vaction, see the world, experience the different cultures, have my first pizza, swim in the ocean, maybe start a fishing boat charter buisness on Lys. Maybe join a book club, there are always new books to read and things to see. You know being dead and in the ground doesn't seem like that much fun after all. Oh look another unique sunrise, literally makes everyday worth it and being stuck in my prime doesn't hurt either. Can I get another margarita? The fire and blood margarita, they're amaaaaazing."
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Mar 7, 2019 1:28:41 GMT -5
sercreighton, now I'm going to make a long post. From the first episode and from filming details, we know that Jon oversees the fortifications for building trenches and defenses for the impending AotD attack. They have placed dragonglass spears along the battlements and the outside grounds and built trebuchets to likely launch fireballs as the AotD approaches. I also think they will have archers on the battlements and in the field shooting obsidian tipped arrows at the AotD. This could seem silly at first, but the NK might not want to use UnViserion to breath blue fire on Winterfell because it would turn bodies to ash and dust rather than corpses he would have the ability to reanimate. I'm guessing that Drogon and Rhaegal have some part in Winterfell burning because the AotD have successfully infiltrated the castle and the NK has broken the path of the defenses Jon and Dany set up as we saw when he attacked the cave of the 3ER. It will be fucking chaos. The trailer only offered glimpses of the battle, not showing the NK and UnViserion doesn't necessarily mean WF won't also be exposed to blue fire, even if we don't see it in the shots of Arya, Jaime, etc. I suppose a dance of dragons above Winterfell will occur at some point during the battle. I mean they spent 11 weeks of night shoots filming this and then continued in the indoor studios, there's probably a lot more to this battle that we don't know. Melisandre also is a wildcard here because it depends on if she returns from Volantis with an army of R'hllor or alone but with a greater magical ability than what we have seen from her. We didn't see her in the trailer, which suggests that she must do something that's fucking insane and they want to keep that a surprise. As far as the GC goes for participating in the WF battle, they could be keeping this under wraps. But then they could also play no role in that and just stay in King's Landing until Jon and Dany's army comes south. There are reasons for and against Cersei sending them north, but you're right that there is no evidence for them at WF. No sightings during WF shooting besides the human army, which could just be part of what we saw in the trailer with Northern forces running to the gate. Pilou was never spotted and Marc Rissman is only in 2 episodes. That to me suggests a larger battle at King's Landing that is being kept more secretive. I agree that the WF battle could definitely be a distraction to this as it's only Episode 3. Finally, Jon and Dany's plan besides building the defenses I mentioned must be to hold Winterfell for as long as they can and then draw out an escape plan to Dragonstone/Riverrun/The Eyrie in the case that it falls. Drogon and Rhaegal would be able to carry several characters to those locations. The Crypts also a place to hide as we've discussed and if there is somehow magic protecting the NK from getting through it would provide the protagonists time to peace out. I don't think they will go to Cersei for help, I think it's because Jon doesn't want the KL population to become wights as konradsmith said. It's really a question of how much of the NK's forces are eliminated at WF and how much of Jon and Dany's forces are killed. I expect both sides to have heavy losses and when the NK realizes, I underestimated them maybe since the southerners aren't as prepared, I have a better chance of gaining my numbers back if I fly south. However, what's left of his forces at Winterfell could very well chase the protagonists as they retreat south. Nymeria and the Wolfpack maybe come into play in The Riverlands.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Mar 7, 2019 2:39:03 GMT -5
you're right, bud, that's pretty tinfoily. It is tinfoily, but considering the number of times Beric has been resurrected and Melisandre's age, what is deciding how long they live. I would assume the magical abilities and miracles of R'hllor and not really immortality. Jon survived BotB and Beyond the Wall because of luck, plot armor, or the Lord of Light watching over him, but I would think he eventually dies at some point. Especially if the magic disappears from the world once The Great War ends. yeah, i mean we already know from her own mouth that mel's dying this season and beric's on his last without thoros. speaking of beric tho, is the dude just using his flaming sword as a torch now? he, tormund, and edd don't look to be in full battle mode walking that calmly in winterfell. what a showoff.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on Mar 7, 2019 3:35:11 GMT -5
It is tinfoily, but considering the number of times Beric has been resurrected and Melisandre's age, what is deciding how long they live. I would assume the magical abilities and miracles of R'hllor and not really immortality. Jon survived BotB and Beyond the Wall because of luck, plot armor, or the Lord of Light watching over him, but I would think he eventually dies at some point. Especially if the magic disappears from the world once The Great War ends. yeah, i mean we already know from her own mouth that mel's dying this season and beric's on his last without thoros. speaking of beric tho, is the dude just using his flaming sword as a torch now? he, tormund, and edd don't look to be in full battle mode walking that calmly in winterfell. what a showoff. It almost looks like they're going down into the crypts, but I wonder why it's only the 3 of them if they're at WF because I don't think this shot is when they first arrive.
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Post by mandzipop on Mar 7, 2019 4:00:39 GMT -5
D&D made a conscious decision at some point that they would be comfortable revealing details about everyone congregating at Winterfell in E1 and that there would be a huge battle in E3 at Winterfell between the good guys and the WW's. And that's it. Every conversation and piece of promotional material about this season has focused basically on these two portions of the season and nothing else. The trailer I don't think has one single shot that occurs past E3. And the crazy thing is that the trailer that is so heavy on it's huge battle finds a way to not give us any money shots from it or reveal the enemy once (unless you count blurry silhouettes and a pair of dead horse legs). It's so crazy how much they're holding back considering that they still have 3-4 hours after E3 to show with a presumably depleted cast all in most likely one setting (King's Landing). That's a ton of story to tell that we know essentially nothing about. You can bet there are some gigantic action set pieces included in that. I think the shot of Tyrion is post ep3. It looks like he's in KL. The ground has no snow and he's in the daylight looking up. He has yellow stone under his feet. To me that screams Kings Landing. I doubt he'd be down there before ep3. To me that is the only one which looks like it could be from a later episode.
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Post by Envie on Mar 7, 2019 9:04:20 GMT -5
I also thought it was really clever of them to have that shot of Cersei crying right after Jaime in battle. Lot of people on social media saying and thinking that she’s crying because she’s just heard Jaime died in Winterfell.imo It was purposefully their intention to make people think that by cutting to that shot of her after the Jaime in battle one. Yes! I've seen a couple of speculative comments on blogs and media site articles about the suspiciously bookended Cersei/Jaime clips. That was clearly done on purpose to misdirect fans. I'm not saying I think Jaime survives, he's probably doomed, but I don't think that's what Cersei is almost crying about in the trailer. This would be like the worst punishment imaginable for someone like Jon Snow and would also fit his character like a glove. And Aemon's, Alliser's and Beric's statements would take on new meaning. I'm not sure about immortality for Jon, but I'm definitely onboard with any theory that suggests Beric or Melisandre brings him back again by giving their own life much as Beric did with Catelyn but maybe with less gruesome results. Jon is "The Reluctant King" archetype. He doesn't want to rule and even said as much in his speech to the northmen. "You all made me your king. I didn't want it. But I accepted it because this is my home..." His sense of duty and honor are strong so if he's resurrected again, it's because he has one last job to do. Rule. Melisandre also is a wildcard here because it depends on if she returns from Volantis with an army of R'hllor or alone but with a greater magical ability than what we have seen from her. We didn't see her in the trailer, which suggests that she must do something that's fucking insane and they want to keep that a surprise. I definitely think they are holding back a LOT of information about not only the Winterfell battle but what happens after that. Great trick they did there showing us a ton of battle eye-candy and nothing else. Good job D&D, you didn't even want to do a trailer but you gave us an amazing one that basically amounts to cotton candy haha. I would not be surprised if Melisandre shows up at Winterfell - or maybe, as ordered by Jon when she was exiled, she stays south and is involved in the final confrontation which is probably more fitting for her story since she's not tied to the northern story anyway. I do hope we get to see some greater magic from her in the end. It almost looks like they're going down into the crypts, but I wonder why it's only the 3 of them if they're at WF because I don't think this shot is when they first arrive. After seeing this gif slowed way down and lightened a lot, it really looks to me like that could be King's Landing. I know, that seems absurd, this is Edd, Tormund and Beric, they were at the wall, we expect them to go to Winterfell. But what if they survive or are sent south to warn King's Landing with Jon after Winterfell goes down? The bricks color and pattern on the side of the opening has that Red Keep pattern to me. And what about that round pillar that passes in front of the camera as it pans around? Round pillars are not a Winterfell crypt or castle thing that I'm aware of. It looks lighter in torchlight but that just doesn't look like Winterfell to me. I'm probably wrong but hey, all speculation fair game here!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:13:08 GMT -5
D&D made a conscious decision at some point that they would be comfortable revealing details about everyone congregating at Winterfell in E1 and that there would be a huge battle in E3 at Winterfell between the good guys and the WW's. And that's it. Every conversation and piece of promotional material about this season has focused basically on these two portions of the season and nothing else. The trailer I don't think has one single shot that occurs past E3. And the crazy thing is that the trailer that is so heavy on it's huge battle finds a way to not give us any money shots from it or reveal the enemy once (unless you count blurry silhouettes and a pair of dead horse legs). It's so crazy how much they're holding back considering that they still have 3-4 hours after E3 to show with a presumably depleted cast all in most likely one setting (King's Landing). That's a ton of story to tell that we know essentially nothing about. You can bet there are some gigantic action set pieces included in that. I think the shot of Tyrion is post ep3. It looks like he's in KL. The ground has no snow and he's in the daylight looking up. He has yellow stone under his feet. To me that screams Kings Landing. I doubt he'd be down there before ep3. To me that is the only one which looks like it could be from a later episode. Agree with this. That's definitely KL.
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Post by Maesteress on Mar 7, 2019 9:18:23 GMT -5
After seeing this gif slowed way down and lightened a lot, it really looks to me like that could be King's Landing. I know, that seems absurd, this is Edd, Tormund and Beric, they were at the wall, we expect them to go to Winterfell. But what if they survive or are sent south to warn King's Landing with Jon after Winterfell goes down? The bricks color and pattern on the side of the opening has that Red Keep pattern to me. And what about that round pillar that passes in front of the camera as it pans around? Round pillars are not a Winterfell crypt or castle thing that I'm aware of. It looks lighter in torchlight but that just doesn't look like Winterfell to me. I'm probably wrong but hey, all speculation fair game here! Agree with this - I too did not think this looked like typical WInterfell architecture. Round pillars, sweeping tall arches look much more like KL. Someone mentioned earlier that signs are pointing that Davos does not accompany Jon to KL....these three could make for fun traveling companions and certainly some decent protection on the trip down. Plus, they might not realize temps have dropped and volunteered, thinking they're heading towards warmth for once lol. I'm in Chicago and I feel like I'm living the Long Night lol - this winter has been BRUTAL and honestly feels like it's never going to end. Whenever I see these characters bundled in their furs and searching for warmth, I so relate. I hope the end of the series does bring us some sunshine and Jon Snow without his 100lb smelly fur....enjoying some warmth finally. We're ALL dreaming of spring at this point......
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Post by Envie on Mar 7, 2019 9:21:35 GMT -5
I know this isn't the same exact archway but the architecture and colors are similar (with steps going down): If there's a room in Winterfell that looks like that one they're entering in the gif, I've never seen it. The crypts have dark, very jagged stones and lower arches, not rounded pillars and masonry edged openings.
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Post by belle on Mar 7, 2019 9:27:05 GMT -5
I also think that shot of smug Cersei looking at black water bay is a misdirect. They want us to think she's looking at the GC but imo it could easily be something else. I also think that shot might be after ep 3
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Post by Envie on Mar 7, 2019 9:31:38 GMT -5
I also think that shot of smug Cersei looking at black water bay is a misdirect. They want us to think she's looking at the GC but imo it could easily be something else. I also think that shot might be after ep 3 Right. It's entirely possible she just got word that Winterfell went down and was destroyed. Maybe that's why Qyburn looks so worried in that shot, he is starting to wonder why she isn't taking the threat more seriously? As Jaime warned her, if the undead army wins, they head to King's Landing and destroy them next. Maybe Cersei is really underestimating things here, thinks she's safe in the Red Keep with the Golden Company to protect the city?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:38:24 GMT -5
I also think that shot of smug Cersei looking at black water bay is a misdirect. They want us to think she's looking at the GC but imo it could easily be something else. I also think that shot might be after ep 3 Maybe they weren't fucking with us and she's legit waiting for Jonno boy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:40:07 GMT -5
I know this isn't the same exact archway but the architecture and colors are similar (with steps going down): If there's a room in Winterfell that looks like that one they're entering in the gif, I've never seen it. The crypts have dark, very jagged stones and lower arches, not rounded pillars and masonry edged openings. Also, agree. My instinct is that gif takes place in KL and NOT Winterfell. I guess it could also be somewhere on the wall? Eastwatch was destroyed so maybe the next opportunity they have to get down from the wall after the NK attack is an abandoned castle.
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Post by nikma on Mar 7, 2019 9:42:29 GMT -5
Who will be the biggest death of WF battle? Jorah?
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Post by Maesteress on Mar 7, 2019 9:51:54 GMT -5
Am I the only one who does find it a little odd Beric is using his flaming sword as a torch? Edd's sword is not raised, so there doesn't appear to be an eminent threat. But the need for an insta-torch would indicate where they are headed is somewhat abandoned or oddly empty. If it's KL, as the architecture seems to indicate...where is everyone and why are they creeping around?
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