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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 8, 2019 19:08:24 GMT -5
i just smoked a blunt, gonna craft some new predictions for you guys cause i know that's just what everyone wants
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 8, 2019 20:30:05 GMT -5
I think Melisandre is gonna sacrifice herself in fire somehow. She's always going on about death by fire, so I bet she's gonna get one. I also don't think they're ever gonna acknowledge how old she is or her backstory. I think they're gonna be lazy and keep it mysterious.
I think Sansa is gonna stay in power at Winterfell when it's all said and done. If Jon isn't dead, I think he'll be ruling further down South. I see Sansa staying Lady of Winterfell for good.
Gendry is gonna get legitimized to revive House Baratheon. Fingers crossed for a Storm's End cameo at some point. He might also marry Arya.
Cersei is gonna outlive the Night King. This has been my pet theory for a while and I'm sticking with it. She's gonna be scheming and doing whatever tf it is she does in her spare time in King's Landing while everyone fights it out with the Night King, then they're gonna come back down South and pick back up the War of the Five Kings/Targaryen Conquest/whatever this war is called these days and probably whoop her ass.
Euron is gonna get killed either by Cersei or he's gonna drown on a sinking ship. Super random but I like the visual of Euron dying in a shipwreck. Maybe combine the two and it's a shipwreck Cersei causes.
Varys is gonna be lowkey sad that Littlefinger is dead. That was his bud.
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Post by laurya on Apr 9, 2019 5:06:09 GMT -5
Varys is gonna be lowkey sad that Littlefinger is dead. That was his bud. I hope they address this. “So you three starklings held a trial for Littlefinger?“ “Yes, and Arya cut his throat“ “Such a pity..“
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Okay, I probably should get started with this. 7. Dany will light one more fire and I think this one is tied to the birth of her child and perhaps to the death of the NK. 9. I don't think Jon is going to kill the NK, at least not in a sword fight. If GRRM is going to nix the fantasy trope of all the good guys coming together to defeat the evil monster, he'll nix the other big fantasy trope of the hero defeating the monster in a sword fight. However, this is happening it's going to be more complicated than that. Hense, the dagger. 10. All the dragons are going to die but there might be dragon eggs left behind. We're agreeing pretty much on a lot of points but to address few more we don't. I don't like if they turn Jon against others, only to push Jon and Dany closer. Will there be conflict? I guess so, even tho I'm not a fan of that in season 8. But to do that would be a disservice to Jon and Dany as characters. They can grow closer without it. I DOUBT The Night King can be killed just like that via fire. Viserion will be killed by Dany + Drogon mirroring Drogo and Viserys at Vaes Dothrak. He's immune to that as we saw CotF, Dragons fire on the ground when he killed Viserion nothing works against him. I doubt VS swords will work either. Bran might be key to it. Which brings me to my other point. Jon and NK will fight 100%. Way too many foreshadowing, 2 staredowns and there is another coming up as we hear from Vladimir Furdik. Whether he kills him or not is another question. I'm sort of leaning towards he will but maybe Jaime, Jorah or someone unexpected will do it instead. Mind you, this is not GRRM doing but Weiss and Benioff interpretation. The Night King doesn't even exist in the books in this format. Drogon will survive.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 9, 2019 11:04:41 GMT -5
Okay, I probably should get started with this. 7. Dany will light one more fire and I think this one is tied to the birth of her child and perhaps to the death of the NK. 9. I don't think Jon is going to kill the NK, at least not in a sword fight. If GRRM is going to nix the fantasy trope of all the good guys coming together to defeat the evil monster, he'll nix the other big fantasy trope of the hero defeating the monster in a sword fight. However, this is happening it's going to be more complicated than that. Hense, the dagger. 10. All the dragons are going to die but there might be dragon eggs left behind. We're agreeing pretty much on a lot of points but to address few more we don't. I don't like if they turn Jon against others, only to push Jon and Dany closer. Will there be conflict? I guess so, even tho I'm not a fan of that in season 8. But to do that would be a disservice to Jon and Dany as characters. They can grow closer without it. I DOUBT The Night King can be killed just like that via fire. Viserion will be killed by Dany + Drogon mirroring Drogo and Viserys at Vaes Dothrak. He's immune to that as we saw CotF, Dragons fire on the ground when he killed Viserion nothing works against him. I doubt VS swords will work either. Bran might be key to it. Which brings me to my other point. Jon and NK will fight 100%. Way too many foreshadowing, 2 staredowns and there is another coming up as we hear from Vladimir Furdik. Whether he kills him or not is another question. I'm sort of leaning towards he will but maybe Jaime, Jorah or someone unexpected will do it instead. Mind you, this is not GRRM doing but Weiss and Benioff interpretation. The Night King doesn't even exist in the books in this format. Drogon will survive. To me the fracturing of the relationships is more of an allegory of how war destroys relationships and how you can never go back to how things use to be. The consequence of this is that it'l l bring Jon and Dany together. I'm not happy about Jon and his relationship with Arya and Sam being damaged but I think it's going to happen. I don't think the fire, if used to destroy the NK, will be the only thing that will destroy him just part of it, I also discussed the idea that the Valyrian steel dagger Arya has could be the weapon that will be used to kill the NK. The dagger was very prominently featured throughout season 7 and I think it'll play an important role at least. I think that Jon and the NK will defensively face each other, what I don't think will happen is that Jon will kill the NK in battle. I think that Jon will either lose his sword or that his sword will be unable to kill the NK. Maybe it breaks or whatever. Have been predicting the death of the dragons for five years now, I'm sticking to it.
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Post by daeronthegood on Apr 9, 2019 11:38:02 GMT -5
We're agreeing pretty much on a lot of points but to address few more we don't. I don't like if they turn Jon against others, only to push Jon and Dany closer. Will there be conflict? I guess so, even tho I'm not a fan of that in season 8. But to do that would be a disservice to Jon and Dany as characters. They can grow closer without it. I DOUBT The Night King can be killed just like that via fire. Viserion will be killed by Dany + Drogon mirroring Drogo and Viserys at Vaes Dothrak. He's immune to that as we saw CotF, Dragons fire on the ground when he killed Viserion nothing works against him. I doubt VS swords will work either. Bran might be key to it. Which brings me to my other point. Jon and NK will fight 100%. Way too many foreshadowing, 2 staredowns and there is another coming up as we hear from Vladimir Furdik. Whether he kills him or not is another question. I'm sort of leaning towards he will but maybe Jaime, Jorah or someone unexpected will do it instead. Mind you, this is not GRRM doing but Weiss and Benioff interpretation. The Night King doesn't even exist in the books in this format. Drogon will survive. To me the fracturing of the relationships is more of an allegory of how war destroys relationships and how you can never go back to how things use to be. The consequence of this is that it'l l bring Jon and Dany together. I'm not happy about Jon and his relationship with Arya and Sam being damaged but I think it's going to happen. I don't think the fire, if used to destroy the NK, will be the only thing that will destroy him just part of it, I also discussed the idea that the Valyrian steel dagger Arya has could be the weapon that will be used to kill the NK. The dagger was very prominently featured throughout season 7 and I think it'll play an important role at least. I think that Jon and the NK will defensively face each other, what I don't think will happen is that Jon will kill the NK in battle. I think that Jon will either lose his sword or that his sword will be unable to kill the NK. Maybe it breaks or whatever. Have been predicting the death of the dragons for five years now, I'm sticking to it. It would be a bummer if Jon and Arya's relationship is changed in a negative direction considering how long they've been apart. But here are my predictions: 1. Rhaegal (this is killing me) dies in the battle of winterfell 2. Dany defeats NK in the air and Jon does the same on the ground (not original, but it has a certain symmetry that I love) 3. Sam and Jon's relationship is irrevocably altered. Jon is not leaving Dany and Sam can't forgive the death of his brother-daddy Tarly? Jury is still out. 4. Cersei goes out in a blaze of glory befitting her boss bitch status. 5. Dany releases Jon from his oath (bent the knee), and they marry as equals. 6. Missandei, Gilly and Drogon survive-I just love them too much to imagine them dying.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 10, 2019 22:40:47 GMT -5
Some great stuff above, especially Envie's detailed post I'll do some abstract predictions, not to be taken seriously in any way : 1) Jon and Dany are no messiahs. They're just decent people trying to do good. Kinvara's desire for the dragons to "purify souls by the thousands" will probably come to pass in some terrible and unexpected way (destruction of King's Landing), except no one will be purified. GRRM's distaste of hero worship and religion coming into play here. All of Jon and Dany's followers disillusioned or humbled by the end. 2) Cleverness will be Tyrion's undoing. He'll cleverly try to serve Dany and aid Cersei and fail horrendously. Intelligent people always die in GoT, especially if it gets entangled with hubris which may well happen to Tyrion. 3) Euron will be so gross this season that people will be cheering for Cersei by the end. Not unlike High Sparrow/Cersei back in season 6. 4) Arya will give the gift of mercy to an already dying Cersei. Thus ending Arya's creepy obsession with death (and her deluded idea of death as vengeance). 5) Varys will hear Bran's voice and recognize it as the demon's voice from the flames. And yes, this is also ties with GRRM's religious theme. 6) Sam and Gilly will unearth the sad, gory story of human sacrifice throughout the ages, ancient sacrifices meant to placate nature/children of the forest/white walkers, related to previous Long Night(s) and unbalanced seasons. All of which will be revealed in 2 minutes. 7) The Night King is coming for Jon and Dany's child: the ultimate sacrifice. Don't ask me why. Maybe because the child signifies the promise of change, and change is poison to the Others. Men must continue to be subservient ("valar morghulis"; "valar dohaeris"). An alternative is that he's coming for Gilly's kid. In any case, babies represent the uncertain future. 8) Breaking the wheel means putting an end to senseless sacrifice and suffering (a la Shireen, Hodor etc.), which is in itself a form of slavery. Gilly's story about Craster and Gilly's "many brothers" will resonate with Dany deeply. (It already resonated with Jon back in s2). 9) Jon and Dany will refuse to give up their child (or Gilly's kid) even if the sacrifice means ending the war. This is the old argument between the humanist choice and the utilitarian choice. Characters (and audiences) will be divided, all sorts of tension and chaos arising from this. 10) There will be no heroic sacrifice a la Nissa Nissa. There will be no more "death pays for life" chants or blood magic. This war does not end in a pact. (These things have never produced anything good before; only more horror). 11) Sam's role in the season will be making sure people learn from the mistakes of history.12) The Iron Throne will be destroyed, but the series won't end in democracy, or in a constitutional monarchy or anything like that. Type of government will be a non-issue. But Westeros will usher in a new human age, free of the chains of slavery, no longer subservient to nature, magic and superstition. That said, all the surviving characters will have been humbled in a major way, so it won't be the out-of-control arrogant humanity of earlier seasons. 13) The battle never stops. The fight with Death goes on forever. If this means the Night King lives or is replaced, or if death takes on a new form, I don't know. But the necessity of Death will be understood. I don't expect a "vanquishing of evil" like Sauron in LotR, because death isn't the villain here. Human nature is, and that evil isn't going away either. 14) Jon and Dany retire to Essos after all the horror, and perhaps find joy for the first time. The world is disillusioned with them, but they have each other, and they know (at long last) what's important. *****End Rambling*****
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We're agreeing pretty much on a lot of points but to address few more we don't. I don't like if they turn Jon against others, only to push Jon and Dany closer. Will there be conflict? I guess so, even tho I'm not a fan of that in season 8. But to do that would be a disservice to Jon and Dany as characters. They can grow closer without it. I DOUBT The Night King can be killed just like that via fire. Viserion will be killed by Dany + Drogon mirroring Drogo and Viserys at Vaes Dothrak. He's immune to that as we saw CotF, Dragons fire on the ground when he killed Viserion nothing works against him. I doubt VS swords will work either. Bran might be key to it. Which brings me to my other point. Jon and NK will fight 100%. Way too many foreshadowing, 2 staredowns and there is another coming up as we hear from Vladimir Furdik. Whether he kills him or not is another question. I'm sort of leaning towards he will but maybe Jaime, Jorah or someone unexpected will do it instead. Mind you, this is not GRRM doing but Weiss and Benioff interpretation. The Night King doesn't even exist in the books in this format. Drogon will survive. To me the fracturing of the relationships is more of an allegory of how war destroys relationships and how you can never go back to how things use to be. The consequence of this is that it'l l bring Jon and Dany together. I'm not happy about Jon and his relationship with Arya and Sam being damaged but I think it's going to happen. I don't think the fire, if used to destroy the NK, will be the only thing that will destroy him just part of it, I also discussed the idea that the Valyrian steel dagger Arya has could be the weapon that will be used to kill the NK. The dagger was very prominently featured throughout season 7 and I think it'll play an important role at least. I think that Jon and the NK will defensively face each other, what I don't think will happen is that Jon will kill the NK in battle. I think that Jon will either lose his sword or that his sword will be unable to kill the NK. Maybe it breaks or whatever. Have been predicting the death of the dragons for five years now, I'm sticking to it. Dany did kill Sam's brother, and it might prompt Sam to tell Jon about his parentage in order to break his relationship with Dany. It'll be highly unpopular but it might happen. Just that it'll push them closer. I just hope that Jon and Arya, Sansa will be good. Doubt they're going to completely destroy their relationship. Will it change? Sure, they might not be as close but completely destroyed is still doubtful imo. I missed that stuff about the dagger. Although, wouldn't it be too much like if Jon was using his VS Longclaw. Killing The Night King with just a dagger? Having said that about dragons and The Night King. I still want to see them trying to burn him down, to see what happens. I read or heard something about how The Night King might be defeated and it involved different characters and not Jon, Dany. Whatever they choose, I'm sure will be good. I have nothing to base my Drogon prediction on other than my feeling. I guess part of me wants him to live, Viserion's death was already pretty tough. It might be one dragon=one child kind of deal. Only death may pay for lifeI'd love nothing more than that as these two deserve some peace and happiness but Emilia said that she was unsure if people will see her character in the same light as they do now after Game of Thrones ends. That hints at some controversy going on, it could be part of the supposed bittersweet ending. Obviously, she could be just being purposefully vague and doom and gloom about it. Aside from that, both Dany and Jon are leaders. I think Westeros will be in need of someone to rule, lead them as their arcs or well especially Dany is about learning to rule. It might not be in a classic fashion on the Iron Throne as we talked about it 'constitutional monarchy' as it might going to get destroyed. I'm curious about it but I do think they'll live.
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Post by Envie on Apr 11, 2019 14:35:57 GMT -5
Great writeup TheArchmaester! Absolutely loved all your predictions! I've never been too crazy about the Jon/Dany's baby as sacrifice theory, but pairing that with Little Sam as "The Prince Who Was (Literally) Promised" (and was denied by Sam/Gilly escaping with him) -- I could see it actually being a thing. I wanted to address one of your points because I really liked your take on it: 12) The Iron Throne will be destroyed, but the series won't end in democracy, or in a constitutional monarchy or anything like that. Type of government will be a non-issue. But Westeros will usher in a new human age, free of the chains of slavery, no longer subservient to nature, magic and superstition. That said, all the surviving characters will have been humbled in a major way, so it won't be the out-of-control arrogant humanity of earlier seasons. I think this is what I've been trying to summarize for a while now, but unable to articulate into a final 'theme' or overall story-arc that made sense because of how opposing the political and mystical elements of the story have always been. On one hand, there's always been the "Game of Thrones" political side, which is grounded in brutal humanity with all of the base desires, betrayals and consequences. And on the other hand, there are the mystical/magical elements of the story that didn't necessarily match up with the human story other than to inject a fantasy element and a 'great evil' that has to be destroyed in the end, like Sauron in LotR. But I think GRRM is more clever than that and so like you said, the magical elements (Dragons, White Walkers, Resurrections, warging, etc) has to mean something more than just a heroic magical ending. The ending could definitely support a future world free of the endless cycle of ice and fire and all it represented from the mystical standpoint. This also supports my theory that magic will come to an end in the world as well. Since we're on the topic of the final ending and I just read that interview with Isaac regarding Bran, I've decided I need to make the final prediction I have been hesitant to do (but hinted about) in my long prediction essay. So here goes! For a while now I've been leaning more towards the fans that theorize Bran is the final key to ending the war against The Night King. There are so many hints throughout his story in the show. Jojen, the CotF, Three-Eyed Raven, even Benjen ... they've all said The Night King was coming for Bran and he would have to be ready. Ready for what? if Bran is the one The Night King is really after, what does he have to do to defeat him? Become The Night King as some theorize? Warg into The Night King or into Viserion, or even one of the other dragons? I do think it's Bran, but I'm not quite certain on what he does with his powers that does it. It could be something really obscure we cannot predict yet, like many of us were shocked with the "Hold The Door" reveal being how Hodor got his name. So I think the closest I've seen anyone come to a theory that makes sense for what/how Bran does is this guy: Hope you get time to watch it before the final season starts and let me know what you think! So I'm going to state my official guess of how The Night King is defeated is by Bran Stark who will either warg into Viserion or into The Night King himself and stop the 'hive mind' of undead. Ok, I'm done sitting on the fence about that and placing my bets! We've only got a few more days to wait and then 6 episodes to find out!
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 11, 2019 20:11:29 GMT -5
-Ned had a chance to seize the Throne with Renley’s help and handle the succession differently. Wonder if Sansa and Team Stark will get a redux. -Mel will resurrect a dragon and die for it.
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Post by izzue on Apr 14, 2019 11:53:45 GMT -5
-Ghost dies in 803, though he survives the novels if they ever come out. Please, please say it ain't so! I was just getting excited about seeing him come back in S8 after such a long absence ... However ... I realize this is probably a logical prediction given that Ghost has been so absent ever since before the BOTB. Show has basically already phased him out? But ... then if Nymeria comes back into play, he'll probably be there, too. I'm remembering reading other predictions that by the end of the series, 'magic' will be gone, thus no direwolves or dragons left. Seems to me that's plausible, too.
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Post by nikma on Apr 15, 2019 8:13:32 GMT -5
I think some system like Roman Republic is possible for Westeros, after they break the wheel. Either Stark children or some kind of council(like Roman Senate) will rule at the end. There was a reason why the last book was titled "A Time for Wolves".
Jon and Dany will leave Westeros at the end. They will be like - we've done our job, the weel is broken, there is not IT anymore, maybe even no monarchy at all, so we are leaving.
Cersei will be the last person in history to sit on the Iron Throne.
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Post by daeronthegood on Apr 15, 2019 9:36:06 GMT -5
I think some system like Roman Republic is possible for Westeros, after they break the wheel. Either Stark children or some kind of council(like Roman Senate) will rule at the end. There was a reason why the last book was titled "A Time for Wolves". Jon and Dany will leave Westeros at the end. They will be like - we've done our job, the weel is broken, there is not IT anymore, maybe even no monarchy at all, so we are leaving. Cersei will be the last person in history to sit on the Iron Throne. But a republic controlled by an oligarchy of noble houses is just as oppressive as a kingdom. And make no mistake that is what will happen. The writers gave themselves an out by never defining "break the wheel". IMO though if it doesn't include expanded rights to the smallfolk, which will inevitably come at the expense of the nobility, then no wheels are broken.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 15, 2019 13:29:02 GMT -5
I think some system like Roman Republic is possible for Westeros, after they break the wheel. Either Stark children or some kind of council(like Roman Senate) will rule at the end. There was a reason why the last book was titled "A Time for Wolves". Jon and Dany will leave Westeros at the end. They will be like - we've done our job, the weel is broken, there is not IT anymore, maybe even no monarchy at all, so we are leaving. Cersei will be the last person in history to sit on the Iron Throne. agree, I think they might take on more of a empire/republic government. With a senate and a leader who isn’t necessarily chosen thru bloodline.
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