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Post by mattpeto on Jul 1, 2016 9:36:08 GMT -5
I pretty much agree, but I would have also bolded Roose dying, and Dany sailing for Westeros with the Ironborn. I was thinking ADOS for both of those at first, but I could see them happen in TWOW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 9:52:54 GMT -5
I pretty much agree, but I would have also bolded Roose dying, and Dany sailing for Westeros with the Ironborn. I was thinking ADOS for both of those at first, but I could see them happen in TWOW. I'll be pretty pissed if Dany doesn't spend at least a full book in Westeros. GRRM originally planned on having her arrive in book 2 of a trilogy, so it's beyond time to get her there.
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Post by moiaf on Jul 1, 2016 9:57:15 GMT -5
I was thinking ADOS for both of those at first, but I could see them happen in TWOW. I'll be pretty pissed if Dany doesn't spend at least a full book in Westeros. GRRM originally planned on having her arrive in book 2 of a trilogy, so it's beyond time to get her there. I forget who is it but in the Arianne chapter the little girl who has the dram about the dragons dancing, I think it's foreshadowing Dany's arrival by the end of book six. Dany still has to deal with FAegon AND Euron before she fight the Others, she better be in Westeros by the end of books six. I have to say that GRRM"s writing is getting frustrating, instead of condensing his world he's expanding it and it's just become bloated.
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 1, 2016 10:51:17 GMT -5
I'll be pretty pissed if Dany doesn't spend at least a full book in Westeros. GRRM originally planned on having her arrive in book 2 of a trilogy, so it's beyond time to get her there. I forget who is it but in the Arianne chapter the little girl who has the dram about the dragons dancing, I think it's foreshadowing Dany's arrival by the end of book six. Dany still has to deal with FAegon AND Euron before she fight the Others, she better be in Westeros by the end of books six. I have to say that GRRM"s writing is getting frustrating, instead of condensing his world he's expanding it and it's just become bloated. Yep. Just think how far behind we are with some book plotlines that made the show. Brienne has never met Sansa or Arya. Tyrion has never met with Daenerys (at least to Daenerys awareness). The Battle of Ice is still unresolved. GRRM still has several of unresolved plotlines in his books that didn't get adapted (fAegon, Arianne, Victarion, LSH). Basically without TWOW and ADOS, the ASOIAF becomes a failure. That's a hard truth but it's gotta scare book purists too death.
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Post by dje on Jul 1, 2016 18:53:13 GMT -5
Yes, I have faith we will get TWOW before next season, I don't know if we ever see ADOS, which upsets me a little.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 4:32:07 GMT -5
BrydenBFish posted this excellent reddit the other day. His quote below: The bolded font is my version of the ones that will come to fruition in TWOW: Doran Martell, Trystane Martell and Areo Hotah killed by the Sand Snakes Melisandre revealed to be a glamoured, old womanRoose Bolton's death Jon Snow resurrected by Melisandre Jon Snow abandons the NW, Dolorous Edd becomes Lord Commaner of the NW Daenerys gains a giant khalasar, burns khals White Walkers were men transformed by Children of the Forest Sandor Clegane survived Cersei Lannister blows up Baelor's Sept, kills Tyrells, High SparrowDaenerys sails with Ironborn for Westeros, allies with Dorne/Tyrells Ramsay/Jon battle outside of Winterfell, Vale Knights arrive in the North, defeat BoltonsDaenerys arrives back in Meereen to destroy slave fleet Jon crowned King in the North Bran flees Bloodraven's Cave after White Walker attack, is saved by Benjenhands Arya departs Braavos as Arya StarkArya kills Walder Frey Beric is alive, still leading the Brotherhood without Banners Jon Snow's mother.Here are mine Doran Martell, Trystane Martell and Areo Hotah killed by the Sand Snakes Melisandre revealed to be a glamoured, old woman Roose Bolton's death Jon Snow resurrected by Melisandre Jon Snow abandons the NW, Dolorous Edd becomes Lord Commaner of the NW Daenerys gains a giant khalasar, burns khals White Walkers were men transformed by Children of the Forest Sandor Clegane survived Cersei Lannister blows up Baelor's Sept, kills Tyrells (Margaery only - Loras dies at Dragonstone and Mace is fighting against Connington at the south) , High Sparrow Daenerys sails with Ironborn for Westeros, allies with Dorne/TyrellsRamsay/Jon battle outside of Winterfell, Vale Knights arrive in the North, defeat BoltonsDaenerys arrives back in Meereen to destroy slave fleet Jon crowned King in the North Bran flees Bloodraven's Cave after White Walker attack, is saved by Benjenhands Arya departs Braavos as Arya StarkArya kills Walder Frey Beric is alive, still leading the Brotherhood without Banners Jon Snow's mother.
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Post by Diablotion on Jul 5, 2016 4:36:08 GMT -5
Doran Martell, Trystane Martell and Areo Hotah killed by the Sand Snakes
Melisandre revealed to be a glamoured, old woman
Roose Bolton's death
Jon Snow resurrected by Melisandre
Jon Snow abandons the NW, Dolorous Edd becomes Lord Commaner of the NW
Daenerys gains a giant khalasar, burns khals
White Walkers were men transformed by Children of the Forest
Sandor Clegane survived
Cersei Lannister blows up Baelor's Sept, kills Tyrells, High Sparrow
Daenerys sails with Ironborn for Westeros, allies with Dorne/Tyrells
Ramsay/Jon battle outside of Winterfell, Vale Knights arrive in the North, defeat Boltons
Daenerys arrives back in Meereen to destroy slave fleet
Jon crowned King in the North
Bran flees Bloodraven's Cave after White Walker attack, is saved by Benjenhands
Arya departs Braavos as Arya Stark
Arya kills Walder Frey
Beric is alive, still leading the Brotherhood without Banners
Jon Snow's mother.
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Post by Envie on Jul 5, 2016 9:50:38 GMT -5
I was thinking ADOS for both of those at first, but I could see them happen in TWOW. I'll be pretty pissed if Dany doesn't spend at least a full book in Westeros. GRRM originally planned on having her arrive in book 2 of a trilogy, so it's beyond time to get her there. I agree she needs to be in Westeros for awhile ... we've been waiting forever for whatever is going to happen there. I need conclusion to all that buildup with Daenerys or I'm going to feel like we invested in a character who spent forever getting there to have it all be wrapped up in one book or less at the very end? That may be why they fast forwarded some bits and also cut fAegon entirely because they need Daenerys to get to the final battle sooner on the show than GRRM intends in the book.
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Post by dje on Jul 5, 2016 10:14:29 GMT -5
Doran Martell, Trystane Martell and Areo Hotah killed by the Sand Snakes Melisandre revealed to be a glamoured, old woman Roose Bolton's death Jon Snow resurrected by Melisandre Jon Snow abandons the NW, Dolorous Edd becomes Lord Commaner of the NW Daenerys gains a giant khalasar, burns khals White Walkers were men transformed by Children of the Forest Sandor Clegane survived Cersei Lannister blows up Baelor's Sept, kills Tyrells, High Sparrow Daenerys sails with Ironborn for Westeros, allies with Dorne/Tyrells Ramsay/Jon battle outside of Winterfell, Vale Knights arrive in the North, defeat Boltons Daenerys arrives back in Meereen to destroy slave fleet Jon crowned King in the North Bran flees Bloodraven's Cave after White Walker attack, is saved by Benjenhands Arya departs Braavos as Arya Stark Arya kills Walder Frey Beric is alive, still leading the Brotherhood without Banners Jon Snow's mother.
I would add we probably find out his father and real name as well.
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Post by rumystark on Jul 5, 2016 12:59:16 GMT -5
I'll be pretty pissed if Dany doesn't spend at least a full book in Westeros. GRRM originally planned on having her arrive in book 2 of a trilogy, so it's beyond time to get her there. I forget who is it but in the Arianne chapter the little girl who has the dram about the dragons dancing, I think it's foreshadowing Dany's arrival by the end of book six. Dany still has to deal with FAegon AND Euron before she fight the Others, she better be in Westeros by the end of books six. I have to say that GRRM"s writing is getting frustrating, instead of condensing his world he's expanding it and it's just become bloated. I fully agree, although if he could complete his books more quickly I wouldn't mind so much because then it's just more to obsess over, haha. But honestly I don't know how the story he's created can possibly end in two books, and one of the strengths of this season of the television adaptation was that they sort of just brazenly got rid of all the extraneous stuff and propelled hard towards the finale. Sure it made for some clunky writing, but I think the Showrunners were also feeling the bloated writing in the novels and wanted to zero in on the main plot in the show. I am really, really interested in seeing how different the book is, though. I am also interested to see if they end up in about the same place even though the journeys are now so different.
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Post by Envie on Jul 5, 2016 13:04:25 GMT -5
I forget who is it but in the Arianne chapter the little girl who has the dram about the dragons dancing, I think it's foreshadowing Dany's arrival by the end of book six. Dany still has to deal with FAegon AND Euron before she fight the Others, she better be in Westeros by the end of books six. I have to say that GRRM"s writing is getting frustrating, instead of condensing his world he's expanding it and it's just become bloated. I fully agree, although if he could complete his books more quickly I wouldn't mind so much because then it's just more to obsess over, haha. But honestly I don't know how the story he's created can possibly end in two books, and one of the strengths of this season of the television adaptation was that they sort of just brazenly got rid of all the extraneous stuff and propelled hard towards the finale. Sure it made for some clunky writing, but I think the Showrunners were also feeling the bloated writing in the novels and wanted to zero in on the main plot in the show. I am really, really interested in seeing how different the book is, though. I am also interested to see if they end up in about the same place even though the journeys are now so different. The writers have said in a few different interviews that they intend the story to end essentially at the same point as GRRM's story will end so even if they take much different paths to get there, they should still have the same essential finale. That being said, I agree they've cut out so much (by necessity) there are some gaps and places that didn't quite stitch back together well but it's still overall great. My biggest concern is that all this rush to complete the last two books paired with his fame and public appearances has affected the quality of the author's writing and we may get more rushed content in the books as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 13:35:13 GMT -5
Doran Martell, Trystane Martell and Areo Hotah killed by the Sand Snakes
Melisandre revealed to be a glamoured, old woman
Roose Bolton's death
Jon Snow resurrected by Melisandre
Jon Snow abandons the NW, Dolorous Edd becomes Lord Commaner of the NW I expect they'll have another election, albeit shorter than the last one
Daenerys gains a giant khalasar, burns khals
White Walkers were men transformed by Children of the Forest
Sandor Clegane survived
Cersei Lannister blows up Baelor's Sept, kills Tyrells, High Sparrow Margaery and the HS are goners, but Loras and Mace are away, correct? Unsure about Tommen, don't think he'll outright kill himself
Daenerys sails with Ironborn for Westeros, allies with Dorne/Tyrells Dorne with fAegon, Tyrells depends on when Sept blows up
Ramsay/Jon battle outside of Winterfell, Vale Knights arrive in the North, defeat Boltons Boltons will be gone by the end of the book, but I think BotB is just a show-only thing. So many wildcards in the North it's impossible to predict
Daenerys arrives back in Meereen to destroy slave fleet Battle of Fire going in favour of Meereen anyway, Barry + Ironborn + Sellswords + 2 dragons should be enough
Jon crowned King in the North via Howland showing Robb's will rather than huge battle with Jon
Bran flees Bloodraven's Cave after White Walker attack, is saved by Benjenhands Really unsure about this, the book cave seems more unlikely to have a back door IMO, so Hodor could possibly survive for longer? Jojen dies as he's too weak
Arya departs Braavos as Arya Stark
Arya kills Walder Frey
Beric is alive, still leading the Brotherhood without Banners
Jon Snow's mother Revealed to Jon by Howland, revealed to Bran by confession from Ned in Winterfell's godswood
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 15:27:36 GMT -5
Jojen dies as he's too weak is revealed to have been fed to Bran in form of a weirwood sap FTFY
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 6, 2016 8:58:35 GMT -5
Not sure if there is a thread here for speculation on when the book is coming out. But the last sizable update we got from GRRM about TWOW coming was after New Year's Day. So we are half way done 2016, so we'll have some sort of real clue in 6 months if he's close or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 9:39:39 GMT -5
Not sure if there is a thread here for speculation on when the book is coming out. But the last sizable update we got from GRRM about TWOW coming was after New Year's Day. So we are half way done 2016, so we'll have some sort of real clue in 6 months if he's close or not. That announcement was made because he had tried to set himself deadlines, and failed at them, so he said he's done with that and going back to "it'll be done when it's done" Although I don't think he'll be completely silent for 6 months, I wouldn't expect another update similar to that one. I expect it'll just be another "done when it's done" style update.
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