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Post by moiaf on Jul 3, 2018 17:06:13 GMT -5
Mark Hamill is not Luke, though. He's the actor who played him, nothing more. Mark Hamill hasn't spent the last 30 plus years of his life thinking about Luke or Star Wars. That's what the fans have been up to, the actors have moved on with their lives and gone to other projects. And guess what, people do know Mark Hamill from other things, his Joker is almost as legendary as Luke. Also, how exactly do you define a graceful exit? Having a "crazy force battle" with Snoke? That's like the exact opposite of graceful. Luke went out at peace ... content. He became one with the Force while watching the binary sunset, which not only has great symbolic significance, but also carries such incredible emotional weight to all those who grew up with these movies. I cannot imagine a more graceful, beautiful ending for this character. Let's be real for a second. I love Star Wars just as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that the charaters in the original trilogy, as great and iconic as they are, were ever that deep or well written. Like it or not, The Last Jedi gave Luke a degree of depth and complexity that simply wasn't there before (at least not in the movies). You are free to hate the direction they decided to take the character, of course, but saying that the movie ruined Luke as a character or whatever is so fucking ridiculous. And the fact that butthurt fanboys on the internet like to bitch about the movie so much, and tend to drown out all other voices, doesn't make The Last Jedi objectively bad. Personally, I don't know anyone in real life who had a strong dislike for the movie, virtually all people I've discussed the movie with thought it was good to great. And I will never forget, when I first saw it in the cinema, next to me was a dad with his little kid, and at the end of the movie when Luke faded away, the dad started crying. I mean ... so did I, but I'm an emotional mess, so it doesn't say much. It was a really poignant thing though, and it speaks for the true quality of The Last Jedi, if only you're open to a slightly different take on Star Wars. Well said.
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Post by nikma on Jul 3, 2018 17:59:08 GMT -5
Also, how exactly do you define a graceful exit? I don't think there is a graceful exit for him. He was the main character of the story, a lot of people just won't accept that he is reduced to mentor role to a new main character, no matter how it's done. It would be like watching Daniel Radcliffe 30 years from now, playing a supporting role in a new movie in Harry Potter world. A lot of fans just won't like it. The Last Jedi objectively bad. As long as PT exists nothing Lusacsfilm does in future could be called "the worst SW movie". Maybe if they do SW porn. And just maybe. That's how bad PT is.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 4, 2018 5:31:15 GMT -5
Mark Hamill is not Luke, though. He's the actor who played him, nothing more. Mark Hamill hasn't spent the last 30 plus years of his life thinking about Luke or Star Wars. That's what the fans have been up to, the actors have moved on with their lives and gone to other projects. And guess what, people do know Mark Hamill from other things, his Joker is almost as legendary as Luke. Also, how exactly do you define a graceful exit? Having a "crazy force battle" with Snoke? That's like the exact opposite of graceful. Luke went out at peace ... content. He became one with the Force while watching the binary sunset, which not only has great symbolic significance, but also carries such incredible emotional weight to all those who grew up with these movies. I cannot imagine a more graceful, beautiful ending for this character. Let's be real for a second. I love Star Wars just as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that the charaters in the original trilogy, as great and iconic as they are, were ever that deep or well written. Like it or not, The Last Jedi gave Luke a degree of depth and complexity that simply wasn't there before (at least not in the movies). You are free to hate the direction they decided to take the character, of course, but saying that the movie ruined Luke as a character or whatever is so fucking ridiculous. And the fact that butthurt fanboys on the internet like to bitch about the movie so much, and tend to drown out all other voices, doesn't make The Last Jedi objectively bad. Personally, I don't know anyone in real life who had a strong dislike for the movie, virtually all people I've discussed the movie with thought it was good to great. And I will never forget, when I first saw it in the cinema, next to me was a dad with his little kid, and at the end of the movie when Luke faded away, the dad started crying. I mean ... so did I, but I'm an emotional mess, so it doesn't say much. It was a really poignant thing though, and it speaks for the true quality of The Last Jedi, if only you're open to a slightly different take on Star Wars. i'm not going through the back pages to see if it was mentioned, but aside from the binary sunset the other callback is to when he first saw leia, which artoo reminded him of earlier in the movie. he first saw leia as a projection, needing help and appealing to her only ho, obi juan whoever the fuck. when they see each other for the last time he is the projection, coming to help her in her time of greatest need, when he is the obi juan figure and also her only hope. by contrast, idr luke having a giant force battle with anyone in the ot. around the same time that he was doing tlj promo press, mark jokingly tweeted that he was still upset about the dismemberment of the wampa in esb, which was not in the script but added in post and which he says luke would never do. luke skywalker, who grew up on a desert hell planet where he had to shoot giant rats from his t-16 for survival. that should be enough to say he doesn't have the greatest grasp of the character. i would argue luke (and somewhat leia but def not han) did have depth in the ot but the character development was somewhat lacking, with luke's final maturation from angsty youth to jedi master happening entirely offscreen between esb and rotj. lucas was openly not that interested in character development, hence the saga getting more complex as more (credited) people got involved in the process for eps v and vi, and we can partially blame lucas for hamill not having exact insight since it's not like the the character's creator/his original director would be too interested in explaining the character. fwiw, hamill has also talked about butting heads with kershner on esb, tho he qualifies it by saying all part of the process and that's a good thing, the sentiment which always gets ignored wrt his comments about rian. the only confirmed actor/director animus was between carrie fisher and richard marquand during rotj and i'd say she was entirely justified.
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Post by dragonsnow on Jul 9, 2018 14:19:30 GMT -5
Mark is Luke. You are on Mars if you don't agree. He has done endless appearances for 30 years. He has thought more about the character of Luke than anybody accept those fanboys you mentioned. It is unavoidable for him. He is Luke. The joker days came and went and most people don't even know he was the voice. I do. I loved that show. But the Batman/Justice League cartoon as great as it was is a mere blimp on the radar compared to the legend of Luke. There have been numerous actors playing joker in movies, cartoons, video games. But there is only one Luke. Get it? I do not define gracefully exit as hiding on an island for decades while the dark side takes over the galaxy. Especially given you are one of if not the most powerful being in the galaxy and could have saved billions or trillions of lives. Mark is correct when he said that "A Jedi doesn't give up" giving up is the opposite of graceful. I don't see why you have a problem with that opinion. You can like it. That's fine. However I am free to express my opinion. I'm not attacking any actors, directors, or Disney executives personally. I am not engaging in any of the horrible activities that apparently caused the Jar Jar actor to think about suicide. I freely admit that given the hardcore fans behavior they probably don't deserve the movie they want. My point is that you seem to think only the hardcore male nerds didn't like TLJ. That is not true at all. The dislike is much more broad than that. And Disney is figuring that out. Mark Hamill is not Luke, though. He's the actor who played him, nothing more. Mark Hamill hasn't spent the last 30 plus years of his life thinking about Luke or Star Wars. That's what the fans have been up to, the actors have moved on with their lives and gone to other projects. And guess what, people do know Mark Hamill from other things, his Joker is almost as legendary as Luke. Also, how exactly do you define a graceful exit? Having a "crazy force battle" with Snoke? That's like the exact opposite of graceful. Luke went out at peace ... content. He became one with the Force while watching the binary sunset, which not only has great symbolic significance, but also carries such incredible emotional weight to all those who grew up with these movies. I cannot imagine a more graceful, beautiful ending for this character. Let's be real for a second. I love Star Wars just as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that the charaters in the original trilogy, as great and iconic as they are, were ever that deep or well written. Like it or not, The Last Jedi gave Luke a degree of depth and complexity that simply wasn't there before (at least not in the movies). You are free to hate the direction they decided to take the character, of course, but saying that the movie ruined Luke as a character or whatever is so fucking ridiculous. And the fact that butthurt fanboys on the internet like to bitch about the movie so much, and tend to drown out all other voices, doesn't make The Last Jedi objectively bad. Personally, I don't know anyone in real life who had a strong dislike for the movie, virtually all people I've discussed the movie with thought it was good to great. And I will never forget, when I first saw it in the cinema, next to me was a dad with his little kid, and at the end of the movie when Luke faded away, the dad started crying. I mean ... so did I, but I'm an emotional mess, so it doesn't say much. It was a really poignant thing though, and it speaks for the true quality of The Last Jedi, if only you're open to a slightly different take on Star Wars.
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Post by dragonsnow on Jul 9, 2018 19:28:31 GMT -5
Great clip from video game. It really does a good job of pointing to the idea that Luke is the embodiment of eternal hope. He always sees the capacity for good in people. He inspires people to be better.
Maybe this will better explain my disappointment with TLJ. Johnson ripped out the soul of the light side. Sure people change as they get older but they don't have these kind of cosmic shifts where you are the most optimistic person in the Star Wars universe to somebody who turns their back on the galaxy while it tears itself apart.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Jul 10, 2018 22:16:12 GMT -5
bro, you're obvs welcome to your own opinions/preferences, we're all aware how differing views in fandoms work. but what, pray tell, is your point in digging in with this when you're not getting any traction at all, any more than anyone else is going to change your mind? i think we all understand your position, further explanation is not the issue. you're not going to objectively prove your view of luke no matter how right you think you are. if you just wanna argue ad infinitum, well, you're free to do so that too but it just seems like it'd be more enjoyable to discuss this with like-minded fans, which you could find on plenty of other sits.
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Post by sercreighton on Sept 27, 2018 11:06:18 GMT -5
Watched Solo again, it's out and I still liked it. I don't really have an issue with the actor. I will probably watch it again. Though to me he isn't Han, he is playing the role but extended universe, films he doesn't act much like Han. Lando on the other hand you can close your eyes and you pretty much know it's Lando. It's sort of like he's Han's little brother or something to me. I actually think they would of been better served to not name it Solo and for it not to be about him. You could pretty much have the same movie with just a couple of name changes, you could even have Lando, I am sure he had a life outside of Han.
The ending creates a strong conflict for Han's story going back to new hope. You could also see they easily were planning a sequel and even tell pretty much where that story would go. I didn't actually get the ending the first time I saw it or at the least the last shot. I would put in spoilers but I forgot how to tag them soo. That's about it, fun movie, likable characters, including the lead who is very likable, he's just a very different character than Han it's not just the way he sounds, it's what he says and how he says it. Every know and then he feels like Han, but usually it's Han's little brother Lan, Lan Solo, always getting in trouble. I am not sure how to e plain it. I gues its kind of like Han calls down an Imperial brigade and his reaction is kind of like "Its not my fault it's it's, okay it is but it isn't." Where this Han is kind of like," Oooops, no, no, no, no, someone save me!" They also could of eliminated Solo altogether and called it Lando and done a young Lando movie.
Also the raider so, that's a part of the plot I didn't enjoy. It to often acted as a repetative plot device, for the side plot. There whole plot wasn't bad but there was parts to the Raiders I didn't like.
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Post by Basil on Apr 12, 2019 12:25:54 GMT -5
Episode 9, The Rise of Skywalker. Looks awesome, but I have so many questions.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 12, 2019 18:30:52 GMT -5
Episode 9, The Rise of Skywalker. Looks awesome, but I have so many questions. I love how it looks and got all kinds of emotional seeing Carrie Fisher. not keen on the title.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 23:42:33 GMT -5
Trailer has me hyped, especially Lando and the Emperor, but yeah lots of questions.
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Post by breakfest on Apr 13, 2019 3:54:56 GMT -5
So the whole 'let the past die' thing lasted exactly one film then.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 13, 2019 11:31:47 GMT -5
The teaser looks amazing and I’m so hyped for December.
Obviously, Kylo was wrong about letting the past die.
It was cool watching it while at Star Wars Celebration and getting to talk to people about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 19:29:19 GMT -5
The teaser looks amazing and I’m so hyped for December. Obviously, Kylo was wrong about letting the past die. It was cool watching it while at Star Wars Celebration and getting to talk to people about it. Where you there when they brought out Ian McDiarmid?
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