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Post by sercreighton on Sept 1, 2017 9:28:47 GMT -5
Here's an interesting article put out by Vox on how many old-school ASOIAF fans put the clues together over the years and even though I don't really care for a few of these internet community leaders, I respect that they were honest about the early days of R+L=J and I think it's worth a read for those who especially only started following the story with the show: www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/30/16213394/r-l-j-game-of-thrones-fandom-oral-historyI didn't piece together R+L=J, which fueled my passion for the story, until I began searching the internet around 2005. I think AFFC was out then. I had already read the other books but hadn't gotten it yet. I knew something was up with Ned, the melancholy way he was always thinking back to his 'promise' but I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was at the time. You have to remember that back then, there was no reddit, twitter, or even facebook yet so the 'hivemind' of social media hadn't quite caught hold of the clues. Many have said "well it's just so obvious - all the clues are there!" but no, it's not really if you didn't have the internet's help. It only became really obvious once ADWD came out and then the show. Before that, it was just a collection of loosely formed theories and heated debate. I lurked on westeros.org for a couple of years off and on before ever posting there in 2011 and ADWD reignited the theory crafting passion. Once I saw others were supporting the longstanding theory, I finally became confident enough to start posting too. Those who came to ASOIAF once the show started have had a much easier time of it. The theories had been laid out, the clues were identified and all you had to do was go in and start connecting the dots for Jon and Daenerys to eventually get together once R+L=J became more obvious. I appreciate the people in the article who identified that and how difficult it was to find good information on the internet prior to westeros.org and other sites. I was overseas on active duty, I had never heard of GRRM. My sister who knows about as well as anyone sent me the first 4 books. In my specialty I was either long on a mission or experiencing long down times. My mind likes to be kept busy, so she always sent books, puzzles and brain teasers. She would just randomly pick out things she thought I might like from the NY Times best sellers list. We tended to share things in my unit, and I was not the first to look at the books. About a week after I let someone borrow them I was woken up around 0400 by the guy I lent them too and another guy in my squad. They had coffee and entenmann's. I am not a big coffee guy but in the service it was good as gold. And they had real coffee, the good stuff, Foldgers. Now waking me a ranking member of my unit from a perfectly good sleep was a good way to get yourself killed. Hence the entenmann's chocolate donuts. Now when you got something that good you don't just give it away, you might share a little but not your last 3 delicious donuts. The two nit wits start asking me all these questions about the books. I had no idea what they were talking about, I had not read them, but I wasn't turning down no damn donuts. At this point I found out there were about 2 dozen people reading the books. They had copied the books and been telling people to read them. So at 0400 with 3 donuts and a some Foldgers I started reading the books. I finished thrones in about two days. I picked up on Jon and Dany day one, and then Rhaegar and Lyanna by book 2. I was very conflicted, one hand I had Jon and Dany which makes you want to push the idea of Rhaegar and Lyanna out of your head. Jon and Dany makes Rhaegar and Lyyanna counter intuitive, and vice versa. So naturally I put your hard tax dollars to work and went to intellgence and then do a detailed analasis of the books. Wasn't cheap either cost to packs and a half dozen hostess pies including the rare and wonderful chocolate. About a week later a full bird approached me with copies of the book in his hand. My first thought was, well this is going to hurt. The first thing out of his mouth was Rhaegar is not Jon's dad. It was an odd and uncomfortable conversation. He was all "but Jon and Dany" and I was all well maybe something will change. This started a strange period around the base for me, people I never met might approache me with, "but what about Ned and Ashara? "What about Dawn, it's in Lyanna's crypt right, right???" It peaked during a post Mission brief, when my XO and CO, closed by asking me who Jon's real daddy was. My CO corrected me because Dany and Jon are meant to be and that she was a good girl who would never marry her Nephew. The debates ran around the base for awhile and it was fun but eventually we all moved on. I eventually got home and years later saw the promo for HBO. I went online cause I thought I was the only person to think of this, I was wrong, I was way wrong. I also found people hated Dany, which was odd cause my experience was everyone loved her up to that point. Everyone loved Astapor, from rags to riches. Her and Jon always got the most Questions and everyone hated Joff and Cersei, and loved Tyrion and Jaime. Though some people thought Tyrion was pronounced Tyrone, which is what we called him. That's my early experience with the books. There are usually other stories about them that someone reminds me about if I ever catch up with anyone. It was sort of a running joke we had for awhile. It passed the time when we had it, and when we didn't have the time someone was still asking me about something. Have no idea how I became central to it other than the books were mine.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 1, 2017 12:18:25 GMT -5
Saw somewhere on tumblr earlier today that in the book, The World Of Ice and Fire, they had Art of Jon and Dany towards the end of the book. I never noticed that before and I looked today at my copy and there they are. I don't think any other characters from the books/show have any art in this book. This book came out in 2014 I believe. The signs were just always there for these two...... I noticed this when the book first came out. In fact, I believe Arya, Jon and Dany are the only character portraits to appear in TWOFIF from the current series. Saw somewhere on tumblr earlier today that in the book, The World Of Ice and Fire, they had Art of Jon and Dany towards the end of the book. I never noticed that before and I looked today at my copy and there they are. I don't think any other characters from the books/show have any art in this book. This book came out in 2014 I believe. The signs were just always there for these two...... Sure and MoIaF knows this cause it's an area of focus between us, but there is on picture inbetween them, and I nagged Elio about this for a year. I got one thing about it, Martin picked the pictures. So inbetween Jon and Dany is the twins. Now the twins are not the first focus of the artwork it's what is between them that is, the Water Tower, where the twins meet. We discussed this shit out of this. Good times. They are not my favorite portraits of Jon and Dany but from the moment I saw them represented I knew there was something there. Fire and Ice get together and make water, aka a baby. The end.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 1, 2017 12:19:41 GMT -5
Not sure if these belong here, but Kit and Emilia's Dolce & Gabbana ads are out: I think I like Kit's better, not loving the costuming and wig for Emilia's. Fingers crossed for a joint video next! I thought Emilia was more animated and engaging in her video, although, I don't care for the wig or all the makeup, she doesn't need it. Both videos were good, I now want to see one of the two of them together.
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Post by sercreighton on Sept 1, 2017 12:43:58 GMT -5
Saw somewhere on tumblr earlier today that in the book, The World Of Ice and Fire, they had Art of Jon and Dany towards the end of the book. I never noticed that before and I looked today at my copy and there they are. I don't think any other characters from the books/show have any art in this book. This book came out in 2014 I believe. The signs were just always there for these two...... I noticed this when the book first came out. In fact, I believe Arya, Jon and Dany are the only character portraits to appear in TWOFIF from the current series. Sure and MoIaF knows this cause it's an area of focus between us, but there is on picture inbetween them, and I nagged Elio about this for a year. I got one thing about it, Martin picked the pictures. So inbetween Jon and Dany is the twins. Now the twins are not the first focus of the artwork it's what is between them that is, the Water Tower, where the twins meet. We discussed this shit out of this. Good times. They are not my favorite portraits of Jon and Dany but from the moment I saw them represented I knew there was something there. Fire and Ice get together and make water, aka a baby. The end. Probably because it's the closest thing we have gotten to a book in years. Everytime I think of how many pages he wrote for that thing
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Post by sercreighton on Sept 1, 2017 12:50:00 GMT -5
Not sure if these belong here, but Kit and Emilia's Dolce & Gabbana ads are out: I think I like Kit's better, not loving the costuming and wig for Emilia's. Fingers crossed for a joint video next! I thought Emilia was more animated and engaging in her video, although, I don't care for the wig or all the makeup, she doesn't need it. Both videos were good, I now want to see one of the two of them together. I am probably the only person watching the Emilia video thinking I need a fork and spoon cause that giant bowl of pasta is going down. The makeup is not bad in long shots but to much up close. I didn't know that was a wig, why is she wearing a wig she has great hair. Kit looks confused, Emilia is having fun. Kit should get the gig for most interesting man alive XX. He would be hysterical.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 1, 2017 12:55:53 GMT -5
I thought Emilia was more animated and engaging in her video, although, I don't care for the wig or all the makeup, she doesn't need it. Both videos were good, I now want to see one of the two of them together. I am probably the only person watching the Emilia video thinking I need a fork and spoon cause that giant bowl of pasta is going down. The makeup is not bad in long shots but to much up close. I didn't know that was a wig, why is she wearing a wig she has great hair. Kit looks confused, Emilia is having fun. Kit should get the gig for most interesting man alive XX. He would be hysterical. I think they used a wig because she had that weird haircut with the fridge they gave her for Star Wars. LoL on Kit. That would be hilarious indeed.
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Post by moiaf on Sept 1, 2017 13:03:48 GMT -5
Would any of you be interested in starting a new book series to discuss while we wait for the final season? I can create a sub board, especially for those of us who want to stay away from spoilers, it something to distract us from the long wait.
I have no series suggestions at the moment so I'm open to anything. Preferably, it should be soemthing epic, something we can sink our teeth into with romantic elements because clearly we love that stuff.
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Post by Envie on Sept 1, 2017 13:18:19 GMT -5
I thought Emilia was more animated and engaging in her video, although, I don't care for the wig or all the makeup, she doesn't need it. Both videos were good, I now want to see one of the two of them together. Me too! I watched both of them, and the natural ending to these just begs for each of them to look up from their crowd of admirers and lock eyes with the other one and cuts to the "Dolce and Gabbana, the one." I know that would be too on point obvious as a Game of Thrones reference but still. WE NEED IT.
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Post by Maesteress on Sept 1, 2017 14:00:45 GMT -5
Kit should get the gig for most interesting man alive XX. He would be hysterical. That would be AMAZING lol!!!
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Post by Maesteress on Sept 1, 2017 14:07:49 GMT -5
These two are going to go down as simply just THAT perfect chemistry - where you keep wanting them to be cast together over and over again....because it just WORKS onscreen. Like Julia Roberts and Richard Gere, Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks, Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdmans and dare I say, Hepburn and Tracy? Everything they do together just is magnetized. How amazing would they be in a rom com together? I know Kit would probably rather stick forks in his eyes, but omg, it would be a blockbuster and swooning would go on forever....
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Post by Lils on Sept 1, 2017 15:04:13 GMT -5
Not sure if these belong here, but Kit and Emilia's Dolce & Gabbana ads are out: I think I like Kit's better, not loving the costuming and wig for Emilia's. Fingers crossed for a joint video next! I thought Emilia was more animated and engaging in her video, although, I don't care for the wig or all the makeup, she doesn't need it. Both videos were good, I now want to see one of the two of them together. Omg, I love watching Kit dance.
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Post by Lils on Sept 1, 2017 15:04:41 GMT -5
Would any of you be interested in starting a new book series to discuss while we wait for the final season? I can create a sub board, especially for those of us who want to stay away from spoilers, it something to distract us from the long wait. I have no series suggestions at the moment so I'm open to anything. Preferably, it should be soemthing epic, something we can sink our teeth into with romantic elements because clearly we love that stuff. I would! Depending on the series.
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Post by Lils on Sept 1, 2017 15:05:57 GMT -5
These two are going to go down as simply just THAT perfect chemistry - where you keep wanting them to be cast together over and over again....because it just WORKS onscreen. Like Julia Roberts and Richard Gere, Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks, Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdmans and dare I say, Hepburn and Tracy? Everything they do together just is magnetized. How amazing would they be in a rom com together? I know Kit would probably rather stick forks in his eyes, but omg, it would be a blockbuster and swooning would go on forever.... This romance is probably going to be one of the most sweeping and popular on tv. I don't think it could be without Kit and Emilia and their incredible chemistry.
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Post by lojzelote on Sept 1, 2017 16:37:11 GMT -5
Would any of you be interested in starting a new book series to discuss while we wait for the final season? I can create a sub board, especially for those of us who want to stay away from spoilers, it something to distract us from the long wait. I have no series suggestions at the moment so I'm open to anything. Preferably, it should be soemthing epic, something we can sink our teeth into with romantic elements because clearly we love that stuff. I've heard good things about The Expanse series. It's TV and I don't know what it's about, but GIFs make it seem interesting. Some books I'd like to read in future: The Witcher by Sapkowski Vorkosigan Saga by Bujold Chalion Series by Bujold The Dune by Herbert The Mistborn by Sanderson Chronicles of Amber by Zelazny Temeraire by Novik Maybe something by Guy Gavriel Kay? I have little idea of what any of these books are about, since I don't wish to be spoilt beforehand in case I decide to read them. Except that Temeraire should be about Napoleonic wars with dragons. Yay! I have read books by Robin Hobb, of whose work GRRM is a big fan, but I advise you to stop reading after The Tawny Man trilogy if you don't want to be depressed out of your skull. Other book series that GRRM was inspired by: The Accursed Kings by Druon I, Claudius by Graves Both are exellent, though short by ASoIaF standards. Right now I have finished the first book of the Gormenghast trilogy. I like it, but it's not like ASoIaF at all. It's non-magical fantasy, the setting of which is basically only one gigantic castle and its premises, it's full of grotesque characters, and it's very slow-going. It's so atypical I have next to no idea of what happens next and how it will end.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Sept 1, 2017 18:25:34 GMT -5
Would any of you be interested in starting a new book series to discuss while we wait for the final season? I can create a sub board, especially for those of us who want to stay away from spoilers, it something to distract us from the long wait. I have no series suggestions at the moment so I'm open to anything. Preferably, it should be soemthing epic, something we can sink our teeth into with romantic elements because clearly we love that stuff. Count me in, depending on the series.
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