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Post by atargbyanothername on Feb 15, 2019 4:19:33 GMT -5
It's very disrespectful, especially if he had been told there was a chance he would return. And based on season 7 we all thought he would. Disrespectful? I could never believe it! *cough that sounds suspiciously like Barristan*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 6:26:36 GMT -5
Barristan was just salty that he'd been killed off rather than bitter at how he'd been treated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 16:43:08 GMT -5
Just watching Blackwater and my god how I wish we get one final drunk Cersei scene before she dies.
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Post by King Tommen on Feb 15, 2019 19:37:18 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: Blackwater (while still containing some very good individual moments) is the most overrated episode of the series.
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Post by nikma on Feb 15, 2019 19:50:51 GMT -5
Kissed by fire is is the most overrated episode of the series. High Sparrow is the most underrated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 20:00:01 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: Blackwater (while still containing some very good individual moments) is the most overrated episode of the series. lies.
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Post by King Tommen on Feb 15, 2019 20:25:24 GMT -5
Everything up to the Wildfire explosion is really good, everything after is pretty awful. It looks like about 50 people are fighting each other (which is a budgetary thing I know but still doesn't make the fighting compelling). Also, it's almost beat for beat the Battle for Helm's Deep and that's not a cinematic battle reference point that I would choose to emulate. The Hound/Sansa scene is dumb, because George wanted to make SanSan a thing like the books but the show never cared about it so it came out of nowhere. Cersei getting drunk and bitching out Lancel was funny but there was a lot of repetition to those scenes. And mostly, we didn't give a shit about Stannis once Davos was out of the picture so his entire viewpoint is lost and we don't give a shit what happens to him by the end of it (he also does pretty much fuck all during the battle to make you engaged in his struggle to win).
Also, Tywin busting in the throne room with a one liner and quick cut to credits was comical.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Feb 15, 2019 20:28:41 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: Blackwater (while still containing some very good individual moments) is the most overrated episode of the series. Shame! Shame! Shame! Top 10 fo'sure.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 15, 2019 23:31:23 GMT -5
Everything up to the Wildfire explosion is really good, everything after is pretty awful. It looks like about 50 people are fighting each other (which is a budgetary thing I know but still doesn't make the fighting compelling). Also, it's almost beat for beat the Battle for Helm's Deep and that's not a cinematic battle reference point that I would choose to emulate. The Hound/Sansa scene is dumb, because George wanted to make SanSan a thing like the books but the show never cared about it so it came out of nowhere. Cersei getting drunk and bitching out Lancel was funny but there was a lot of repetition to those scenes. And mostly, we didn't give a shit about Stannis once Davos was out of the picture so his entire viewpoint is lost and we don't give a shit what happens to him by the end of it (he also does pretty much fuck all during the battle to make you engaged in his struggle to win). Also, Tywin busting in the throne room with a one liner and quick cut to credits was comical. What? Martin doesn't run the show, and he never made the SanSan thing. The fans made SanSan Martin was surprised and amused when he heard about it. On the show Sandor was going down a similar road to Jaime. He starts out killing the butcher boy and being referred to as dog. Then he runs to the aid of Loras and fights the Mountain, later he pulls Sansa back from the ledge. We find out he isn't a fan of the Lannisters but doesn't have much choice in his role. Then he saves Sansa from being gang raped. In the books there are hints about his sister and the abuses of Gregor. Then during the battle of the Blackwater we see his fear of fire. We find out he is more fragile than we are led to believe early on. His scene with Sansa simply adds depth to his growing role in the series and hints at her future role with LF. It was LF who first tells Sansa about how the hound got burned and this led to Sansa and the reader or viewer developing some sympathy for him. He spends much more time with Arya until then end where he begs her for death. These themes of redemption, self destruction and conflict continue through the series. He's been heroic, cruel, tragic. The Unkiss was just fans taking things to far. I mean Sansa always gets paired off by the fans, I personally have never done that but SanSan, Jonsa, Ned Dayne, even Gendry, and Pod. I think to many people miss the point of POV characters showing us the world through there eyes and everytime they meet someone it's some big deal. It's just the author telling us the story of NonPov's through the eyes of others. Davos and Stannis. Dany gives us insight into Essos, Jon the Wall and the North and beyond the wall. Arya and Bravvos. Not everything is a grand plot line. The UnKiss, Sansa still tends to romanticize some things, that's what the point was. Her time with Sandor was to give us some prospective and insight on him. Outside of that, Blackwater is pretty good, not my favorite but a good episode. Tyrion still had blonde hair back then, he looks better without the beard. The acting was solid all around, and it sets up Season 3 and Tywin as hand. It did everything it was suppose and it did it well.
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Post by ladystoneboobs on Feb 16, 2019 2:39:36 GMT -5
yeah, in re-watching s1 there are plenty of areas where i wish they had the budget of later seasons (the tourney, the offscreen battles, jon's first wight fight etc.). i don't have that problem with blackwater bc marshall did a lot with what he had for the first battle and fx isn't everything. the end is a bit abrupt but cersei's storytime with tommen on the throne, a moment away from murder/suicide was great tension.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 5:57:48 GMT -5
Lol George being surprised at people shipping SanSan is such a bare faced lie on his part. The man is obsessed with Beauty and the Beast and he played with it quite a bit with The Hound and Sansa. Whether or not SanSan is ever a thing in the books or show (at this stage I doubt it), George definitely had no business being surprised that it's a thing for some fans.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Feb 16, 2019 7:02:41 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of people cling desperately to the “SanSan is not a thing” because of the...let’s be polite and say enthusiasm of some of the shippers. There pretty clearly is something there in the books. Not nearly as explicit as some of the shippers claim, but definitely there
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Post by King Tommen on Feb 16, 2019 9:24:25 GMT -5
All you need to know about the difference between the Sansa/Hound relationship in the books to the show is that after the scene in Blackwater (that George wrote on the show) which was in Season 2 mind you, neither character has spoken about or apparently thought of the other since (oh I guess when the Hound was trying to get Arya to kill him, which is a passage lifted pretty liberally from the books), whereas the books are a completely different story. The show (rightly) shifted the emphasis to Hound/Arya has a father/daughter dynamic to get all the creep out. It's so blatant a switch that last season when Brienne told Sandor about Winterfell, all she mentioned was Arya and they both talked about her in admiration and Brienne never even bothered to mention Sansa was there too and Hound never bothered to ask. That relationship has been wiped clean from the show and it's been so long that fans don't really notice when they omit it.
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Post by sercreighton on Feb 16, 2019 10:58:27 GMT -5
57 days and counting till the finale season. SanSan? still not a thing.. Unreliable narrator? still a thing. Also in news, Jonsa not a thing. Sansa becoming a Dragon lord? not a thing. Sansa using her secret magic to defeat the NK? not a thing. Sansa as Lightbringer? not a thing Sansa warging the Vale? Not a thing. UnSansa? Not a thing. I mean really at this point I trust Sansa fans about as much as I trust my dog to make stock picks. Jon fans too, how did so many miss Jon Dany? The GNC? KhalNed. Gosh I loved KhalNed can't wait to see him in the final season. Jojen paste. This would of been fun but still a no. Meera is Jons sister? Nope. So much projection so little truth. Arya/Jon? What did they call this one, Jar? Jon and Satin? I am sorry some fans just can't be trusted to get it right. Now if they would like to take classes on how to read a book or watch a show I will be available. It's a rigorous course involving pizza, popcorn, ice cream, a blanky, extra pillows and puppies. Audiobooks are great if you want to two fist beer, or two fist pizza. Really there are all kinds of pluses hands free. You can scratch your bum while eating pizza. You can have a beer while scratching your bum, scratch your dog and your bum. There really is no limits to scratching your ass in my class. I tease, but seriously until it happens and time is running out, then fan theory is just fun theory. Yes it's suppose to say fun. I write that while scratching my bum. There really are endless possibilities to explore in my class.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Feb 16, 2019 11:01:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Blackwater is one of the finest episodes of the show. Not just for the amazing character interactions, but for its sense of claustrophobia and impending doom. All of which is sustained throughout. They'll be very lucky if they can replicate that this season. Other than the Red Wedding (which was one scene), it hasn't happened since.
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