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Post by moiaf on Apr 23, 2019 6:44:07 GMT -5
So, are we thinking that the people in the Winterfell crypts are in danger? Because there was a lot of talk this episode about how safe the crypts are and it just left me feeling like, that's not a good thing. You know?
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Post by Envie on Apr 23, 2019 7:04:12 GMT -5
There's a whole thread discussing their relationship. While it might not be everyone's cup of tea, I love it and am quite invested in it and so are many people. I think it's just a matter of preference. As others have mentioned, this relationship is very polarizing both in the story for political reasons and externally in the fandom because people have invested 8 seasons into their feelings about one character or the other and seem strongly divided about it. In a way, this is great irony since obviously they're supposed to be that way in the story as well... the whole ice and fire theme and all that. I'd say the author and show writers have done a good job of achieving what they wanted with Jon and Daenerys coming together as opposites whose lives and goals were parallel yet so very different too. I'm here for it. So, are we thinking that the people in the Winterfell crypts are in danger? Because there was a lot of talk this episode about how safe the crypts are and it just left me feeling like, that's not a good thing. You know? Well, they sure hit us over the head with that foreshadowing. I think between Gilly pointing people to the crypts including the cute little Shireen callback girl, Daenerys wanting Tyrion down there, and everyone wanting Bran down there ... the repeated message of how safe the crypts are makes us, the wary of everything audience, quite sure that the crypts are going to be anything but safe. I'm terrified of the possibility that The Night King comes down to the Godswood to try and get Bran and then decides to raise a bunch of helpers from the crypts.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 23, 2019 8:43:26 GMT -5
Apparently one of the lyrics from Jenny's Song, were actually spoken by Pyat Pree to Dany in the House of the Undying.
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Post by Maesteress on Apr 23, 2019 9:24:53 GMT -5
The relationship isn’t rushed but it feels it. There weren’t enough lingering stares or proper flirting before. One minute they were political the next they were in love. With Jon and Ygritte it felt organic and natural. This feels forced. I need more angst between them to make it feel believable. So I’m glad for this slight discord between them. I’m going to compare to The Vampire Diaries. I wasn’t a fan of Stefan and Elena because it happened too fast. I much preferred her with Damon as I enjoyed the build up better. I’m enjoying Jamie and Brienne because it feels natural and organic. Really great comparison, for those of us who are familiar with VD. I too was more invested in the Damon/Elena relationship - but it also had a lot more drama which made it more exciting to watch, and I think that is what D&D are trying to do with Dany and Jon now, so I agree fully with the need for a little discord. I hope it works....and I hope it doesn't have to last more than an episode or two....because if they are to end up together (which is still debatable) we don't have a lot of screen time left.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Apr 23, 2019 9:27:55 GMT -5
My favourite part of the episode. Welch is incredible. I had not heard of Florence Welch before, but I'm definitely a fan now! She is not “new” to Thrones either - her song “Seven Devils” was used in the trailer for Season 2, to great effect i might add. (these two songs are not a great sampling of her range btw. She really runs the gauntlet in terms of what different genres and styles she dips into. But her vocals are always something else)
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 23, 2019 9:45:35 GMT -5
There's a whole thread discussing their relationship. While it might not be everyone's cup of tea, I love it and am quite invested in it and so are many people. I think it's just a matter of preference. As others have mentioned, this relationship is very polarizing both in the story for political reasons and externally in the fandom because people have invested 8 seasons into their feelings about one character or the other and seem strongly divided about it. In a way, this is great irony since obviously they're supposed to be that way in the story as well... the whole ice and fire theme and all that. I'd say the author and show writers have done a good job of achieving what they wanted with Jon and Daenerys coming together as opposites whose lives and goals were parallel yet so very different too. I'm here for it. So, are we thinking that the people in the Winterfell crypts are in danger? Because there was a lot of talk this episode about how safe the crypts are and it just left me feeling like, that's not a good thing. You know? Well, they sure hit us over the head with that foreshadowing. I think between Gilly pointing people to the crypts including the cute little Shireen callback girl, Daenerys wanting Tyrion down there, and everyone wanting Bran down there ... the repeated message of how safe the crypts are makes us, the wary of everything audience, quite sure that the crypts are going to be anything but safe. I'm terrified of the possibility that The Night King comes down to the Godswood to try and get Bran and then decides to raise a bunch of helpers from the crypts. I wonder if the same magic is sealing the crypts as it did the tree cave. If so, everyone is safe as long as Bran doesn't go in there, because then he can get in as Bran is the key to unlock the magic.
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Post by Envie on Apr 23, 2019 10:26:00 GMT -5
I wonder if the same magic is sealing the crypts as it did the tree cave. If so, everyone is safe as long as Bran doesn't go in there, because then he can get in as Bran is the key to unlock the magic. I think the lore from the books only talks about how Storm's End was built with magical properties (with Bran the Builder's help) because the Storm King Durran had to rebuild it seven times after the storms destroyed it six times. The seventh time it held against the wrath of the sea gods because of the magic in it. Since Bran the Builder also built the wall with magical properties to keep out the "gods" and built Winterfell, we have to guess there's magic in Winterfell's walls too. I think, however, that just like the tree cave, Bran's already the key to The Night King getting into Winterfell so who knows what he can do when he does come. I'm reading a lot of theories/speculation out there on the internet today now that we got the big clue from Bran as to what the Night King is after (I don't think that's the whole story yet, however) and there are some people theorizing that the Night King doesn't even show up at Winterfell for this big battle. Their theory goes, because of the magic inside, he sends his troops in to whittle down the north's numbers while he simply heads south on Viserion to raise another army in King's Landing. It would be a shocking moment for our heroes to realize "This isn't all of the undead" and much like Jaime's trick with Casterly Rock and Robb Stark's before him, the Night King has tricked them into thinking he's got his full forces aimed at them when in reality he's going elsewhere. Maybe he needs to lure Bran out of Winterfell because it has different/better magic than the wall? Lots of speculation out there right now. Who knows!
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 23, 2019 10:59:14 GMT -5
I wonder if the same magic is sealing the crypts as it did the tree cave. If so, everyone is safe as long as Bran doesn't go in there, because then he can get in as Bran is the key to unlock the magic. I think the lore from the books only talks about how Storm's End was built with magical properties (with Bran the Builder's help) because the Storm King Durran had to rebuild it seven times after the storms destroyed it six times. The seventh time it held against the wrath of the sea gods because of the magic in it. Since Bran the Builder also built the wall with magical properties to keep out the "gods" and built Winterfell, we have to guess there's magic in Winterfell's walls too. I think, however, that just like the tree cave, Bran's already the key to The Night King getting into Winterfell so who knows what he can do when he does come. I'm reading a lot of theories/speculation out there on the internet today now that we got the big clue from Bran as to what the Night King is after (I don't think that's the whole story yet, however) and there are some people theorizing that the Night King doesn't even show up at Winterfell for this big battle. Their theory goes, because of the magic inside, he sends his troops in to whittle down the north's numbers while he simply heads south on Viserion to raise another army in King's Landing. It would be a shocking moment for our heroes to realize "This isn't all of the undead" and much like Jaime's trick with Casterly Rock and Robb Stark's before him, the Night King has tricked them into thinking he's got his full forces aimed at them when in reality he's going elsewhere. Maybe he needs to lure Bran out of Winterfell because it has different/better magic than the wall? Lots of speculation out there right now. Who knows! This could be the alternate option instead of the GC.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 23, 2019 11:03:03 GMT -5
Who said anything about Disney insults? I'm conflating threads. It's the whiskey's fault. I see I thought you thought I was taking a shot at Disney or the show when I said I wrote a paraody. Which I did it just wasn't a dig at either, just something I used to do back in the day while we were waiting for new books. They were never a shot at Disney, the show or characters, just some innocent levity. Like a heavily damaged and Broken Sansa met the Starks new ally Dany who she immediately thought was her childhood Hero Elsa from frozen and when she saw the Dragons she could only see them as Flying unicorns who shot rainbows from there mouths. And Arya and Dany convinced her to fly Viserion, Sansa's favorite white and gold Unicorn to KL and the Dreadfort to spread it's love and light to Cersei and the Bolton's. Whenever Sansa would suspect something was wrong Dany would sing let it go. Stupid shit like that. Anyway let's not blame the whiskey, whiskey created many a wonderful paraody. Now tequila?That has created some tense moments and I pretty sure is the cause of the Little Cersei paraody in which Cersei and Tyrions rolls are reversed. Tyrion being a smart version of Jaime and Tywins favorite and Cersei being a Dwarf. Let's just say Cersei fans, not fans. Thanks a lot Jose.
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Post by sercreighton on Apr 23, 2019 11:23:03 GMT -5
So, are we thinking that the people in the Winterfell crypts are in danger? Because there was a lot of talk this episode about how safe the crypts are and it just left me feeling like, that's not a good thing. You know? Maybe, there is so much going on and I feel like it's a callback to the Blackwater and the Holdfast. It's mostly extras. Not many people are down there outside of that. Just Varys and Gilly. That would be a shit way for Varys to go, we haven't really gotten much from him and I would like to see him get a decent ending. Gilly and baby Sam? If they do it these will be the two that have a chance of escaping. Mostly cause I don't think they would drop another bomb like this on Sam. Also we got the shot of Sam in the Promo, he has a strange look on his face. I don't think he takes the field, he seems like a wall kind of guy. But when the dead rise it may occure to him OMG the crypts. I think that could be his part of episode 3. There may even be a chance he dies. I don't know how anyone gets out of this one without the power of flight.
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Post by Maesteress on Apr 23, 2019 12:02:13 GMT -5
Now tequila?That has created some tense moments and I pretty sure is the cause of the Little Cersei paraody in which Cersei and Tyrions rolls are reversed. Tyrion being a smart version of Jaime and Tywins favorite and Cersei being a Dwarf. Let's just say Cersei fans, not fans. Thanks a lot Jose. Honestly, tequila and tacos available in Westeros would change the whole ballgame. Something I noted while rewatching many times: I think the general consensus has always been that Jon was going to scoff at being called Aegon. But I love the way they wrote the scene when he tells the "story" to Dany - and he in no way shies away from his name "...my REAL name....is Aegon Targaryen." He says it with a building pride....that fire has started in this scene. Not one where he necessarily wants to be King, but to finally feel the mystery of his life is no longer a mystery and he has a solid identity - one that he believes. i kind of loved it. I never liked the name Aegon over Jon, but after watching that scene and the way he seems to be embracing it, makes me think that while his old friends and family will always call him Jon, he will be known as Aegon Targaryen.
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Post by katjushka on Apr 23, 2019 12:37:29 GMT -5
I also loved that Jon didn't shy away from his name and even more than that I loved that he got to say that his mother was loved.
Something else I noticed was that Daenerys seems to feel lonely and out of place through out the episode, she's confused when even Jon is avoiding her. It's clear she doesn't belong in the north. And while Dany's loneliness is only implied, Missandei's feelings of not belonging and I would even say regrets of ever coming to Westeros are made quite clear. It's kinda weird that we didn't get a scene with those two, Missandei is someone Dany could've turned to for consult and support.
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Post by Envie on Apr 23, 2019 12:45:02 GMT -5
Something else I noticed was that Daenerys seems to feel lonely and out of place through out the episode, she's confused when even Jon is avoiding her. This was definitely a tough episode for Daenerys. I interpreted the look on her face when she watched Sansa rush to embrace Theon as some realization of how tight-knit this family is, and how out of place she feels there not just because of the Northerners/Targaryen animosity but because of the Starks being very close and loyal to one another which isn't something she's ever known. Sadly, Daenerys grew up only with her brother who obviously wasn't very warm/loving towards her. To top it all off, Jon was strenuously avoiding her because he wasn't ready to talk about what he had just found out about himself yet and this probably made Dany feel even more lonely and out of her element there. It's unfortunate Jon had to find all of this out (and then tell her) at the very last minute before the great war. There was no time to ease Daenerys into his family and work out the relationship issues.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 23, 2019 12:47:17 GMT -5
Now tequila?That has created some tense moments and I pretty sure is the cause of the Little Cersei paraody in which Cersei and Tyrions rolls are reversed. Tyrion being a smart version of Jaime and Tywins favorite and Cersei being a Dwarf. Let's just say Cersei fans, not fans. Thanks a lot Jose. Honestly, tequila and tacos available in Westeros would change the whole ballgame. Something I noted while rewatching many times: I think the general consensus has always been that Jon was going to scoff at being called Aegon. But I love the way they wrote the scene when he tells the "story" to Dany - and he in no way shies away from his name "...my REAL name....is Aegon Targaryen." He says it with a building pride....that fire has started in this scene. Not one where he necessarily wants to be King, but to finally feel the mystery of his life is no longer a mystery and he has a solid identity - one that he believes. i kind of loved it. I never liked the name Aegon over Jon, but after watching that scene and the way he seems to be embracing it, makes me think that while his old friends and family will always call him Jon, he will be known as Aegon Targaryen. Great point. This hasn't been discussed enough imo - Jon's palpable sense of pride in the scene. That's something you almost never get from Jon. I think people who thought Jon wouldn't care about any of this might be in for a surprise. I also loved the Jaime-Bran scene. Bran didn't give him the expected "zen" response at all. He flat out told him: "You weren't sorry before" and then proceeded to put the fear of death in him. Anyway, there's a theme here... you get why GrrM wanted to call the last book (or was it the penultimate book?) "A Time For Wolves".
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Post by Envie on Apr 23, 2019 12:54:50 GMT -5
This hasn't been discussed enough imo - Jon's palpable sense of pride in the scene. That's something you almost never get from Jon. I think people who thought Jon wouldn't care about any of this might be in for a surprise. I'll admit, I never imagined Jon would embrace his true heritage so quickly. I figured it was going to take him a while to brood over it and warm up to the idea once he got over his initial reaction of disbelief that Ned Stark would have 'lied' to him his whole life. I guess he really listened when Sam quickly corrected him and made him understand that Ned's 'lie' was to protect his life. I imagine once he thought it out for awhile, he realized what a huge sacrifice Ned Stark made in keeping that promise to his sister. I guess because there was so very little time before the great war begins, they brought Jon around to acceptance and a little pride in his true identity quickly and especially with Daenerys who he believes in. I think the look he gave her when he realized she was upset about it was a little hurt/confused too. Jon doesn't even want the Iron Throne so it must have stung that she threw that in his face right away.
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