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Post by Nezzer on May 4, 2019 5:08:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that's probably my biggest problem with the conclusion of the "Great War". It never crossed my mind that the dead wouldn't reach KL, to me it was a given.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 6:26:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that's probably my biggest problem with the conclusion of the "Great War". It never crossed my mind that the dead wouldn't reach KL, to me it was a given. Yeah, I always thought the final battle would be fought either at the Trident or King's Landing. Though I think it's nice in a way that the WW will remain a myth this time too.
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Post by nikma on May 4, 2019 7:02:41 GMT -5
I also don't like that this means Cersei, Tywin and everyone else was right. It wasn't their problem.
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Post by Envie on May 4, 2019 8:47:22 GMT -5
I think a lot of the complaints are valid, that's why I haven't tried to jump into many of the arguments. Despite my love for the show, I'm not too fangirl to admit they left a few odd plot wtf moments. The fact Jon didn't get to fight the night king himself doesn't bother me and seems so ironically Game of Thrones fucked up, it makes me laugh. I have also come to terms with the fact that the threat of the white walkers is over before they ever made it south. That bugged me at first but I'm over it and will still appreciate the rest of the episodes for whatever amazing story plays out, I'm sure. I guess the one last remaining plot wtf that bugs me is Bran. If he was, in fact, 'doing something' when he checked off the planet and flew around in crows, I couldn't tell. It would be nice if we get some explanation from him next episode that he knew what was playing out and was just lining up the stars or something. It left most of the audience yelling at Bran the entire episode. If it was subtle, it flew right over the heads (har har) of most people watching. I thought maybe he'd warg into Viserion, or hell, even into Ghost or something.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 10:25:27 GMT -5
I think a lot of the complaints are valid, that's why I haven't tried to jump into many of the arguments. Despite my love for the show, I'm not too fangirl to admit they left a few odd plot wtf moments. The fact Jon didn't get to fight the night king himself doesn't bother me and seems so ironically Game of Thrones fucked up, it makes me laugh. I have also come to terms with the fact that the threat of the white walkers is over before they ever made it south. That bugged me at first but I'm over it and will still appreciate the rest of the episodes for whatever amazing story plays out, I'm sure. I guess the one last remaining plot wtf that bugs me is Bran. If he was, in fact, 'doing something' when he checked off the planet and flew around in crows, I couldn't tell. It would be nice if we get some explanation from him next episode that he knew what was playing out and was just lining up the stars or something. It left most of the audience yelling at Bran the entire episode. If it was subtle, it flew right over the heads (har har) of most people watching. I thought maybe he'd warg into Viserion, or hell, even into Ghost or something. You're not the only one. If Jon is useless, then what the hell is Bran? lol I thought that as well Bran might warg into Viserion and bring him down. Benjen said to him and Meera that NK will come for him and he'll be ready. Ready for what? Surfing on weirwood.net while others die for him? There has to be more to his powers and purpose because so far it seems Bran have used a device to show us Jon's parentage and that's it. That is a major disappointment imo for all the learning, the knowledge he has. I hope there is a twist to this and Bran do something unexpected in ep. 4, 5 or 6 so we can see how his training is paying off. We saw that with Arya but not with Bran. I also don't like that this means Cersei, Tywin and everyone else was right. It wasn't their problem. We know that she wasn't really right in the true sense of this word. If it wasn't for Dany and her selfless attitude, NK and AotD would have made it to KL. Cersei got lucky, big time. But the history will be written by winners and that is not going to be Cersei.
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Post by Envie on May 4, 2019 14:51:57 GMT -5
There has to be more to his powers and purpose because so far it seems Bran have used a device to show us Jon's parentage and that's it. That is a major disappointment imo for all the learning, the knowledge he has. This is how I felt too - was all that effort to go north of the wall to find the Three-Eyed Raven worth it? One other thing I have to ask is, if the Three-Eyed Raven is the 'keeper of man's memories' and so important, why is he stuck in a tree for thousands of years? Aren't those memories important to, you know, other humans? Maybe that's the point. The Bloodraven character needed Bran to get up there so he could download all the into him - he was tired of being the keeper and his tape reel was wearing out? I dunno, just feels like an odd way to explain the purpose of this mystical being. Men have been existing without this person for thousands of years and didn't know he existed.
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Post by konradsmith on May 4, 2019 22:07:35 GMT -5
We speculated earlier about where Royce the Voice was during the battle. It took me way too long to realize the truth of it. Rupert Vansittart is 61 and not slight in his build. I imagine his cardiologist recommended he sit out the 55 days of action scene night shoots.
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Post by jared on May 4, 2019 22:27:32 GMT -5
So I was pretty excited after I watched “The Long Night”. It didn’t go at all the way I expected, but that was part of what I loved about it. Most everyone I talked to in my immediate offline circle loved it as well. Hell, even Twitter seemed to love it … at least the people I follow, who may not be representative of the fandom as a whole but are certainly representative of what I tend to value about this show. And then, as too often happens in recent years, the worst aspects of the online fandom (NOT present on this forum, to be 100% clear) started to seep into my consciousness … and I just started to get bummed out. Not because I was upset that the episode was apparently divisive – what else is new – but because there was so much hyperbole and vitriol being thrown around that it made me actively question what the hell I was doing. Did I really want to spend my time arguing with these people, especially when the worst of them were doing so in such obvious bad faith?
(There are a lot of people who genuinely love the episode out there. They’re just being shouted down by the loudest voices out there – some of whom have been on the same screed for years. And apparently, very few of those more moderate voices frequent the cesspools that are Reddit or YouTube comment sections - which is wise.)
So I unplugged for a few days. I didn’t listen to a lot of the reviews and podcasts that I usually delve into after a Game of Thrones episode. Didn’t matter if they were positive or negative – I just wanted to let my own thoughts settle. Then, this evening, I rewatched "The Long Night" for a fifth time. And you know what?
I still think this episode is pretty fucking great. I gave it a 10 at the outset, and that’s a grade which I will happily stand by.
As an hour of television, and a climactic episode of this show that I love … I think it’s superb. That’s not to say that I don’t have reservations, but whatever reservations I do have are entirely wrapped up in the question of “Where does the story go from here?” Which … I think I’ll wait until I actually see those episodes to make that determination. Seems reasonable.
I've heard every criticism of the episode at this point, and I've made my peace with them all. I’ve filed them under the ones I acknowledge but respectfully disagree with to varying degrees (Jon not playing a central enough role, the lack of major character deaths compared to what people were expecting, the Army of the Dead being defeated this early), to the ones I laugh in the face of (“It’s too dark" - figure out how to work the brightness settings on your TVs, people), to the ones that deserve nothing but absolute and unequivocal contempt (any methane-breathing cretin who strings the words "Arya Stark is a Mary Sue" together without the requisite heap of unabashed self-loathing, and any scumbag from any walk of life who vents their anger by making personal threats against other viewers or members of the cast and crew).
So yeah … I loved this episode. I’m loving this season. I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion, but after a week of feeling somewhat run down, I feel compelled to assert that my mind hasn’t been changed either. I’m also done with letting second-guessing and fears about where the final three episodes might go influence my mood. I’ll cross that bridge if and when it comes. We’ve got three weeks left on this ride, and to quote another famous franchise that drew to a close this week, I’m with it until the end of the line.
FYI, after I watched the episode for the first time, I thought that Arya killing the Night King would rank as a Top 25 moment in all of Game of Thrones for me. After watching it approximately 1000 times, I can safely conclude that I was wrong about that. It’s Top 10. Easily.
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Post by izzue on May 4, 2019 22:37:48 GMT -5
jared, I SO so so agree with you! Well written, well said!
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Post by ladystoneboobs on May 5, 2019 0:13:13 GMT -5
We speculated earlier about where Royce the Voice was during the battle. It took me way too long to realize the truth of it. Rupert Vansittart is 61 and not slight in his build. I imagine his cardiologist recommended he sit out the 55 days of action scene night shoots. i just assumed they needed him offscreen so we wouldn't ask why brienne was commanding his knights.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 3:01:11 GMT -5
There has to be more to his powers and purpose because so far it seems Bran have used a device to show us Jon's parentage and that's it. That is a major disappointment imo for all the learning, the knowledge he has. This is how I felt too - was all that effort to go north of the wall to find the Three-Eyed Raven worth it? One other thing I have to ask is, if the Three-Eyed Raven is the 'keeper of man's memories' and so important, why is he stuck in a tree for thousands of years? Aren't those memories important to, you know, other humans? Maybe that's the point. The Bloodraven character needed Bran to get up there so he could download all the into him - he was tired of being the keeper and his tape reel was wearing out? I dunno, just feels like an odd way to explain the purpose of this mystical being. Men have been existing without this person for thousands of years and didn't know he existed. Exactly. If Three-Eyed raven is the keeper of all the memories of mankind then it should actually serve the future generations further down the road. The fact is that he keeps it to himself and no one knew for generations. It losing its purpose to preserve any information. Unless everything he's learned metaphorically means Bran/3R mere existence was a symbol of life while NK represents the death and him trying to erase that. I guess it makes sense on meta-level but it's just unsatisfying pay-off of his training. Perhaps Weiss and Benioff felt it would be better to explain Jon's background via Bran this way to the audience than with Howland Reed or any other way which might be in the books.
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Post by TheArchmaester on May 5, 2019 11:02:54 GMT -5
This is how I felt too - was all that effort to go north of the wall to find the Three-Eyed Raven worth it? One other thing I have to ask is, if the Three-Eyed Raven is the 'keeper of man's memories' and so important, why is he stuck in a tree for thousands of years? Aren't those memories important to, you know, other humans? Maybe that's the point. The Bloodraven character needed Bran to get up there so he could download all the into him - he was tired of being the keeper and his tape reel was wearing out? I dunno, just feels like an odd way to explain the purpose of this mystical being. Men have been existing without this person for thousands of years and didn't know he existed. Exactly. If Three-Eyed raven is the keeper of all the memories of mankind then it should actually serve the future generations further down the road. The fact is that he keeps it to himself and no one knew for generations. It losing its purpose to preserve any information. Unless everything he's learned metaphorically means Bran/3R mere existence was a symbol of life while NK represents the death and him trying to erase that. I guess it makes sense on meta-level but it's just unsatisfying pay-off of his training. Perhaps Weiss and Benioff felt it would be better to explain Jon's background via Bran this way to the audience than with Howland Reed or any other way which might be in the books. I doubt Bran will be returning to that cave so maybe he becomes a keeper of memories in the human world. And Sam can write it all down. I think they're pairing Sam and Bran for a reason; their roles are not too dissimilar.
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