8x05 General Discussion: Post-Show

I also watched Lost religiously - spent hours combing through episodes for clues that were promised there by the writers. And I still to this day will NEVER forgive them for the last episode (or season for that matter).

The main difference for me was that LIndeloff and JJ Abrams were writing the show each season. It never had a full story written all the way through...they were developing it as they went and thats where it went wrong - there was never an end framework from the start. Game of Thrones, however, had that framework from which they could work. While I do not necessarily like where the story went, the framework was always there and it's much easier to go back and justify. As Nezzer mentioned above, they just threw everything out the window in the last season - all the science the show was built upon....proving that all the time we fans spent trying to "figure it out" was worth nothing at all. We were looking for something that wasn't even there. It was shit writing. Took me a long time to be a JJ Abrams fan again.

I don't feel that same betrayal with GOT. The writing is not bad writing. It's a little sloppy here and there, but it's not bad. And for the most part, it's thought through...even if they stretch it a little here and there.

I personally think it's apples to oranges for this one, even if the reactions are similar.

Cersei deserved to go out like a boss. I think D&D were always more concerned with making sure she was humanized instead of embracing her crazy. Cersei thinks she should've been born a man, yet she spent her final minutes crying like a damsel and begging the man she put out a hit on not to let her die.

Like I said to TheMadQueen, I wish I could see her death the way he does but I just can't.

I'm a glass half full kinda girl, Envie, which means technically, you got "blow up Kings Landing" right

This. I didn’t particularly care for being told to feel sorry for arguably the worst person in the show in her final minutes. It’s only because of Lena honestly. Would anyone feel bad about book Cersei dying?

I do completely agree with you Jaime's story arc failed badly at the very end. For me, as much as I consider Dany's to have failed her development ... much as you said about his:



I read somewhere GRRM was quoted saying something about how he didn't like full redemption story arcs for characters and wondered if people are truly able to change fully and be redeemed of past wrongs. I'm probably butchering the hell out of that in my interpretation of it, but it's disheartening because I thought that was sort of the point for many of the characters... to be various stages of morally gray and yet still able to go on and have a meaningful life after making bad choices. If you think about it, Jaime's failure to become a redeemed character is as disheartening as Dany's failure to prove the naysayers wrong about her being a mad Targaryen. They spent years traveling hard roads to learn hard lessons ... and for what? Jaime ran back to Cersei like a crack addict and didn't really change at all? Dany spent years making mistakes and also having victories in Essos so she would be a better ruler ... for what? To come to Westeros and burn down King's Landing? Is that really the point of saying people don't have redemption arcs?

I don’t think Cersei’s death in the books will be a “ding dong the witch is dead” thing especially since now I’m 100% sure that Jaime doing it won’t be some redemptive thing or him saving the day or whatever.

Hell I think Cersei will even cry and be vulnerable in her final moments. But a fucking damsel in distress like she was in this episode? Her to give up that easily and not fight till her last final breaths? No fucking way.