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I am beginning to believe that the song of Ice and Fire is simply the story of....Jon.

Yes, that's becoming more apparent now. A lot of people always said he was the real outcome of ice and fire and the song played out before his birth. Rooting for Ned Stark and having him die at the end of the first season is one thing... but rooting for Daenerys for 8 seasons to have her lose everything in the last season is an entirely different thing altogether and a pretty bitter pill to swallow. 

I do love Jon. I'll be shocked if he does end up surviving it all as I always pegged him to be the one to go after his resurrection. This cannot be a happy ending for him either though. The sad, reluctant ruler, or no ruler at all. I'm not sure what's worse. 

Song of ice and fire is about these two destructions. WW and dragons that came to destroy that world.

Imo.

Mel wasn't entirely wrong even if the ice and fire forces were Daenerys and The Night King. It's looking more like a symbolic mish-mash of all of that with Jon in the middle sort of getting thrashed around between the two forces destroying the world.

a couple of my friends started getting bitchy when i told them that i thought dany's character followed a pretty logical arc so i wrote up a quick blog post about it if anyone would like to read: astormofsports.wordpress.com/2019/05/13/game-of-thrones-this-is-daenerys/

i have to sleep but if anybody has any thoughts i'd love to hear them and respond in the morning

He'll survive. Really can't see him dying now because death would too simple, easy for him knowing Weiss, Benioff, GRRM. He'll be miserable knowing all of it went to shit, all that he fought for means nothing, nothing changed.

Very much doubt Jon will be ruling over that place or in any mood to do so. I think he has had enough of everyone including Northerners and will go either Beyond the Wall or form the new Night's Watch. Honestly, Kit wasn't kidding when he said Jon was happiest with the wildlings, Ygritte, Tormund Beyond the Wall.




You might be onto something.

In retrospective, Dany and Night King share few parallels, not just the way they dress, that weird symbol of theirs looked like a Targaryen sigil, certain cinematic choices, can't burn. Maybe they both have to die or she might be his replacement? That Dany = Night Queen theory that is floating around.