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Post by nikma on May 1, 2018 4:41:49 GMT -5
Yeah. It feels like his rationalisation. Before the show pased him he was saying that would be a bad thing(and it is), but after S5 he started to make rationalization statments. Now when he accepted that he won't finish the books he is saying that-a not that bad.
But he is almost implying that ASOIAF is not his main story, which I find almost insulting
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Post by Envie on May 1, 2018 8:23:24 GMT -5
Yeah. It feels like his rationalisation. Before the show pased him he was saying that would be a bad thing(and it is), but after S5 he started to make rationalization statments. Now when he accepted that he won't finish the books he is saying that-a not that bad. But he is almost implying that ASOIAF is not his main story, which I find almost insulting It's funny he's noted Silmarillion as comparison to 'life's work' for Tolkien. I just used that as an example in my Fire and Blood discussion but in a different way. I couldn't get through Silmarillion, too ponderous. I am hoping Fire and Blood isn't similar to that and I'm hoping GRRM isn't really just giving up on finishing ASOIAF and merely suggesting it's always a possibility even if the writer never intended to leave it unfinished. The fact that he's still got another book to go after Winds and delaying this year does leave me feeling a bit more worried now than I was a year or two ago. I've always defended GRRM because there was such a big gap of years between his other books anyways, this wasn't anything that unusual until now... going into the way too long range and the show finishing the story before the books is starting to feel like only a minor letdown now. I started following his books from the first one but I forgot about them somewhere in the middle and something like 5-8 years and two books passed before I picked them back up again. Being a show fan makes that much less likely I'll forget about the books now like I did back then before the internet, social media and all that.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:00:56 GMT -5
RIP A Song of Ice and Fire
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Post by Singer of Death on May 1, 2018 17:13:35 GMT -5
GRRM must delusional at that point if he thinks his legacy will be high as Tolkein's, Dickens', and Fitzgerald's. Unlike him, at least those authors finished their well-known works (The Great Gatsby, Tales of Two Cities, Lord of the Rings).
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 2:11:45 GMT -5
GRRM must delusional at that point if he thinks his legacy will be high as Tolkein's, Dickens', and Fitzgerald's. Unlike him, at least those authors finished their well-known works (The Great Gatsby, Tales of Two Cities, Lord of the Rings). Yeah. He's crazy. Asoiaf will go down as one of the biggest disappointments in literary history if he doesn't finish. He will not be remembered fondly for leaving it unfinished, especially if ADwD is the last novel he manages to publish from the series.
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Post by charliexcx on May 19, 2018 3:00:29 GMT -5
I'm just now seeing this....wow. If I'm a huge book fan, that isn't an encouraging statement for him to make. I don't understand him implying that ASOIAF isn't the main story, It's what he's mostly known for. It's the work millions will look back on in coming decades not The World of Ice & Fire, Fire & Blood, etc.
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Post by atargbyanothername on May 19, 2018 8:42:01 GMT -5
I'm just now seeing this....wow. If I'm a huge book fan, that isn't an encouraging statement for him to make. I don't understand him implying that ASOIAF isn't the main story, It's what he's mostly known for. It's the work millions will look back on in coming decades not The World of Ice & Fire, Fire & Blood, etc. Actually it does make sense as a comparison to the Silmarillion, which is essentially the story of Arda from creation through to the passing of the Rings. LOTR is perhaps the most well known story of that, but it’s not the main event. I believe what GRRM meant was something to that effect. That ASOIAF might be the best known of his work but really this project is about Planetos and the various stories that occur therein, including his Targ histories and Dunk and Egg and anything else’s he decides to write there. Also, I don’t think he is speaking about what fans consider the main story, but what he does, as he makes the Tolkien comparison, saying that Tolkien (not his fans) would consider the Silmarillion his life’s work. This is just a bit of pedantry and ultimately unimportant but I just mentioned it because I think the statement does make sense, even if you (not you personally, a general “you”) don’t like it
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Post by izzue on May 28, 2018 22:24:12 GMT -5
Awwww, crap! Color me having lost all hope of ever seeing TWOW. If this is the 'official' copping out I think it is, GRRM is dead to me. Never thought I'd say that, never thought this day would come. He created too many characters, too many subplots, too much complexity, and now it's too overwhelming for him to go back to and wrap it up, so he's leaving his fans hanging. Jeez. I'm done.
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Post by izzue on Jun 3, 2018 21:31:00 GMT -5
Hmmmm... Maybe I was too hasty. I found a PBS "Great American Read" initiative today, and ... after much deliberation, I ended up voting for ASOIAF, at least for today. Here's where I describe the contest, in case anybody wants to check it out. housewiththereddoor.freeforums.net/post/60851/thread
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Post by sercreighton on Jun 21, 2018 11:34:06 GMT -5
I'm just now seeing this....wow. If I'm a huge book fan, that isn't an encouraging statement for him to make. I don't understand him implying that ASOIAF isn't the main story, It's what he's mostly known for. It's the work millions will look back on in coming decades not The World of Ice & Fire, Fire & Blood, etc. Actually it does make sense as a comparison to the Silmarillion, which is essentially the story of Arda from creation through to the passing of the Rings. LOTR is perhaps the most well known story of that, but it’s not the main event. I believe what GRRM meant was something to that effect. That ASOIAF might be the best known of his work but really this project is about Planetos and the various stories that occur therein, including his Targ histories and Dunk and Egg and anything else’s he decides to write there. Also, I don’t think he is speaking about what fans consider the main story, but what he does, as he makes the Tolkien comparison, saying that Tolkien (not his fans) would consider the Silmarillion his life’s work. This is just a bit of pedantry and ultimately unimportant but I just mentioned it because I think the statement does make sense, even if you (not you personally, a general “you”) don’t like it I would not say Planetos, or even Westeros, it's a much smaller focus. Fire and Blood is not about Planetos, it's about the Targayens, as is Dunk and Egg, and most of the extended universe including ASOIAF. Which some may argue it's the Starks, but the build up to the Story is for Jon and Dany and a return of the Targayen line. In some ways that is similar to lord of the Rings with Aragorn and the return of the King. The Starks are much like the beloved Hobbits who are the Window into that world. Though there are many more Windows than the Starks in this case, and no Frodo or the one Ring. Bran would be closest I guess to Frodo. The Silmerilion was really just back story and some of it was just notes. Tolkien obviously new this, he new he would not write like he did with the Trilogy again. It's a companion book. Martin is making excuses, not really to us, but himself. Anyone want to take a shot at who Martin killed but shouldn't have that he says has backed him into a corner with Winds. It's pobably not a main character but it must be so,done significant and more than likely we saw them killed. Unlike Kevin who was killed off stage and later brought back, and then killed again. Meereen has always been a struggle for and outside of Dany has always been background characters till recently. I can't think of anyone there that would matter or isn't replaceable. Arya has killed people but they don't really matter. Braavos seems clear. KL? Kevin again? Fuck just make up another Lannister, Billy Lannister. I really can't think of anyone. Theons penis? It had a mind of its own after all. Its not like the show most extras are still alive.
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Post by atargbyanothername on Jun 21, 2018 17:50:20 GMT -5
Actually it does make sense as a comparison to the Silmarillion, which is essentially the story of Arda from creation through to the passing of the Rings. LOTR is perhaps the most well known story of that, but it’s not the main event. I believe what GRRM meant was something to that effect. That ASOIAF might be the best known of his work but really this project is about Planetos and the various stories that occur therein, including his Targ histories and Dunk and Egg and anything else’s he decides to write there. Also, I don’t think he is speaking about what fans consider the main story, but what he does, as he makes the Tolkien comparison, saying that Tolkien (not his fans) would consider the Silmarillion his life’s work. This is just a bit of pedantry and ultimately unimportant but I just mentioned it because I think the statement does make sense, even if you (not you personally, a general “you”) don’t like it I would not say Planetos, or even Westeros, it's a much smaller focus. Fire and Blood is not about Planetos, it's about the Targayens, as is Dunk and Egg, and most of the extended universe including ASOIAF. Which some may argue it's the Starks, but the build up to the Story is for Jon and Dany and a return of the Targayen line. In some ways that is similar to lord of the Rings with Aragorn and the return of the King. The Starks are much like the beloved Hobbits who are the Window into that world. Though there are many more Windows than the Starks in this case, and no Frodo or the one Ring. Bran would be closest I guess to Frodo. The Silmerilion was really just back story and some of it was just notes. Tolkien obviously new this, he new he would not write like he did with the Trilogy again. It's a companion book. Martin is making excuses, not really to us, but himself. Anyone want to take a shot at who Martin killed but shouldn't have that he says has backed him into a corner with Winds. It's pobably not a main character but it must be so,done significant and more than likely we saw them killed. Unlike Kevin who was killed off stage and later brought back, and then killed again. Meereen has always been a struggle for and outside of Dany has always been background characters till recently. I can't think of anyone there that would matter or isn't replaceable. Arya has killed people but they don't really matter. Braavos seems clear. KL? Kevin again? Fuck just make up another Lannister, Billy Lannister. I really can't think of anyone. Theons penis? It had a mind of its own after all. Its not like the show most extras are still alive. From my understanding you have it backwards on the Silmarillion. It wasn’t intended as a companion book, and was partly in notes because it was published posthumously by Christopher. The trilogy (actually meant to be one big book I believe, it was split on his publisher/editors orders I think) was just an extended part of his larger work, which as I said above was the creation of this fantasy universe called Arda. Iirc he actually submitted a first draft of the Silmarillion to his publisher before he ever started on LOTR (which resulted from the success of the Hobbit and his publisher requesting a sequel). Pretty sure the Silmarillion began its life when Tolkien was fighting in WWI. Anyway that’s all just a rambling long winded way of saying the Silmarillion is much more than a companion book and it’s easy to see why someone would say it was Tolkien’s life work
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Post by izzue on Sept 22, 2018 10:46:38 GMT -5
Well, I've now pre-ordered Fire and Blood. I know what I'll be doing over Thanksgiving weekend!
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Post by archanabrownwalker on Oct 25, 2018 0:53:34 GMT -5
I have been heartbroken too many times already. Not getting sucked into this again
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