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Post by mattpeto on Apr 20, 2017 8:48:56 GMT -5
Sounds outlandish, doesn't it? No. It is not outlandish. What we know so far about The Night's King in the books, - Probably a Stark
- Brother to the King in the North
- Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
- Fell in a love with a woman from beyond The Wall
- Killed by his NW bros
......and Jon so far, - A Stark
- Brother to the King in the North
- Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
- Fell in a love with a woman from beyond The Wall
- Killed by his NW bros
GRRM has confirmed (by confirmed, i mean strongly implied. That's how he rolls) that The Night's King is not an immortal being. The Night's King what we hear about from Old Nan is not alive anymore. Jon becoming the new Night's King and brokering a peace deal between WW and the seven kingdoms would make sense. Jon's arc in ADOS ending with him leading his WW army back to the Land of Always Winter would fit in the bittersweet ending that GRRM has promised us. Exactly. Becoming an immortal monster to protect the Seven Kingdoms would be Jon's sacrifice and very bittersweet. The WW just being this magical force who invades and then gets destroyed in a war doesn't sound like GRRM. The whole story so far has been about the horrors of war, which makes me think that the solution to the WW problem won't just be typical Good vs Evil battle. Echoes Davy Jones in POTC with Orlando Bloom's character. Hope that doesn't happen, but it's definitely possible.
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Post by nikma on Apr 20, 2017 8:54:14 GMT -5
The WW are anomaly in Westeros, I don't think that making peace with them will be the ending for this story, but we will see. And why would they stop killing people just because Jon became one of them? It just doesn't make much sense.
Jon's arc ending with him leading his WW army back to the Land of Always Winter assumes that they are somehow forced to leave their land and that someone has to lead them back there, which isn't true. It was their choice to attack the South.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 20, 2017 9:35:09 GMT -5
T he WW are anomaly in Westeros, I don't think that making peace with them will be the ending for this story, but we will see. And why would they stop killing people just because Jon became one of them? It just doesn't make much sense. Jon's arc ending with him leading his WW army back to the Land of Always Winter assumes that they are somehow forced to leave their land and that someone has to lead them back there, which isn't true. It was their choice to attack the South. I think their continued existence is what's causing the anomaly in the climate of the Planetos. You don't need them to create balance in the Planetos, they are part of the imbalance. I do believe that the dragons will also die in the end, ending that chapter of magic. I don't think that everyone who has magic will die, it'll be more like once the source dies then there will be no new magic. Also, I think there is an important magical reason why Jon is also a Targaryen.
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Post by nikma on Apr 20, 2017 9:39:45 GMT -5
I agree that all dragons will die by the end of the story. One will die in S7. And all direwolves. Children of the Forest and giants are already dead. The WW bill be destroyed.
And I think there is a strong possibility that Bran and Dany will die as well. Melisandre will die, I'm 100% sure.
So the magic will be gone. That's the bittersweet ending.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 20, 2017 10:03:30 GMT -5
I agree that all dragons will die by the end of the story. One will die in S7. And all direwolves. Children of the Forest and giants are already dead. The WW bill be destroyed. And I think there is a strong possibility that Bran and Dany will die as well. Melisandre will die, I'm 100% sure. So the magic will be gone. That's the bittersweet ending. While there is a chance Dany can die, I don't think Bran will die. His was the first chapter and I think his will be the last chapter.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2017 10:06:52 GMT -5
i still think a long night prequel would be 11/10
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Post by nikma on Apr 20, 2017 10:20:53 GMT -5
i still think a long night prequel would be 11/10 The Walking Dead 2.0?
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 20, 2017 10:25:46 GMT -5
i still think a long night prequel would be 11/10 The Walking Dead 2.0? The Walking Dead, but, like, actually good.
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Post by Chris on Apr 20, 2017 11:05:04 GMT -5
I agree that all dragons will die by the end of the story. One will die in S7. And all direwolves. Children of the Forest and giants are already dead. The WW bill be destroyed. And I think there is a strong possibility that Bran and Dany will die as well. Melisandre will die, I'm 100% sure. So the magic will be gone. That's the bittersweet ending. While there is a chance Dany can die, I don't think Bran will die. His was the first chapter and I think his will be the last chapter. Okay, here is what puzzles me: people say that the magic in the world will be gone in the end and it makes sense; but I think that conflicts with the theories like Jon becoming the new king of WW etc, because if magic is gone, there won't be any WW or wights, right? Some other theories related to Bran suggest that his body will die but he will end up becoming a raven or his soul will live on in trees etc, but those can't happen either if magic in the world is destroyed, can they?
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Post by Chris on Apr 20, 2017 11:12:09 GMT -5
Oh, and if the magic in the world is gone, does it also mean that Jon dies? Because he was resurrected by magic.
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Post by moiaf on Apr 20, 2017 11:21:57 GMT -5
While there is a chance Dany can die, I don't think Bran will die. His was the first chapter and I think his will be the last chapter. Okay, here is what puzzles me: people say that the magic in the world will be gone in the end and it makes sense; but I think that conflicts with the theories like Jon becoming the new king of WW etc, because if magic is gone, there won't be any WW or wights, right? Some other theories related to Bran suggest that his body will die but he will end up becoming a raven or his soul will live on in trees etc, but those can't happen either if magic in the world is destroyed, can they? So the way I see it, if it were to happen that magic leaves the world, is that no new source of magic would exist but what already existed would remain until it dies out. Does that make sense? Like for example, when the dragons were born Fire Magic got a power surge and things that couldn't have been accomplished before could not be accomplished, i.e. The Kiss of Life. However, that doesn't mean that there wasn't any fire magic before the birth of the dragons, it was just very week. Therefore, if the sources of Ice (the Others) and Fire (the Dragons) magic were to die out no new magic can be born and eventually those who had natural magic will die out of old age or whatever, and by the time they all die out all magic would be gone. Of course, GRRM doesn't have strict rules to his magic, so who the hell knows. Oh, and if the magic in the world is gone, does it also mean that Jon dies? Because he was resurrected by magic. Yes, if it's a complete loss of magic then Jon should die as well.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 20, 2017 11:23:33 GMT -5
I think magic is likely to disappear at the end too. But I'm not sure it would be a bittersweet thing. Magic is pretty much all-out horrible in this particular world and it's pretty obvious that they'd all be better off without it.
Which brings me to Oldtown... What I hope to see in season 7 are some clues as to what the Citadel is thinking. I hope we get Oldtown scenes other than greyscale-stuff or Rhaegar's marriage papers. I want to see what the maesters are doing with all the knowledge they're hiding and hoarding and what they expect to actually happen going forward. There has to be a particular reason why the show is taking us to Oldtown and not just to any random library (like the Wall's). Finding information about Rhaegar or white walkers isn't a good enough reason because Bran could have done exactly the same thing with less trouble. So my bet is that the maesters themselves play a role in the endgame though it will be an abbreviated version of the plot from the books.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 11:32:35 GMT -5
Euron raiding the city is only Oldtown action I really want to see.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 20, 2017 11:36:25 GMT -5
Euron raiding the city is only Oldtown action I really want to see. Sadly I think that ship has sailed. However, if Euron and Cersei get really lonely in season 8, randomly raiding Southern cities could become a fun hobby for them.
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Post by Lady Sansa's Direwolf on Apr 20, 2017 20:47:43 GMT -5
I think magic is likely to disappear at the end too. But I'm not sure it would be a bittersweet thing. Magic is pretty much all-out horrible in this particular world and it's pretty obvious that they'd all be better off without it. Which brings me to Oldtown... What I hope to see in season 7 are some clues as to what the Citadel is thinking. I hope we get Oldtown scenes other than greyscale-stuff or Rhaegar's marriage papers. I want to see what the maesters are doing with all the knowledge they're hiding and hoarding and what they expect to actually happen going forward. There has to be a particular reason why the show is taking us to Oldtown and not just to any random library (like the Wall's). Finding information about Rhaegar or white walkers isn't a good enough reason because Bran could have done exactly the same thing with less trouble. So my bet is that the maesters themselves play a role in the endgame though it will be an abbreviated version of the plot from the books. I have a feeling we will only get an abbreviated show version consisting of Sam magically finding exactly the information needed at the right time for the right things: Jorah's greyscale, the White Walkers, etc. I hope the maester's plot in the books is worth the wait. I find it interesting, that age old conflict of magic and science.
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