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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 7:57:35 GMT -5
That only means that it was divisive. I said so much before. It still doesn't make it a fact that Dany's behaviour was OOC. That question will always be up for debate. What are we even discussing right now? But why it was so divisive is important here. It certainly isn’t just because it was so upsetting. Baelor and The Rains of Castamere are two of the most loved episodes of the series. People obviously have serious issues with how this one was written. |
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Post by Basil on May 14, 2019 8:08:16 GMT -5
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Post by laurya on May 14, 2019 8:09:48 GMT -5
That only means that it was divisive. I said so much before. It still doesn't make it a fact that Dany's behaviour was OOC. That question will always be up for debate. What are we even discussing right now? But why it was so divisive is important here. It certainly isn’t just because it was so upsetting. Baelor and The Rains of Castamere are two of the most loved episodes of the series. People obviously have serious issues with how this one was written. Both Baelor and Rains of Castamere were episode where bad characters (I hope no one argues that Joffrey, Walder Frey and Roose Bolton are good people) do bad things to good characters. Dany is a divisive character, who became a greyer character during the series and is now at the climax, where people question her and her actions. |
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Post by day dreamer on May 14, 2019 8:13:19 GMT -5
I think they have high expectations and GoT normally puts quality material and these past few episodes have arguably not been that. I'd wager most of these critics don't WANT to criticize a show they love so much, I don't, but I also can't make excuses for when a good show makes poor choices. Exacty. I feel like I’ve been pretty fair wrt the show over the years. I’m not quite a show apologist, but I’ve never once participated in a rant and rave thread either, but I’ve also never had such major complaints over stuff this big either. And no it’s not just about Dany. I was highly disappointed with how the twins were handled as well. This is my biggest gripe with the entire thing. I think a lot of people are being dismissive of other complaints because they just want to focus on Dany and how there were "signs" but Dany burning KL is far from the only thing "wrong" with this episode so to speak. |
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Post by laurya on May 14, 2019 8:13:25 GMT -5
if Tywin was still alive The fireworks show at their wedding would be amazing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 8:36:23 GMT -5
But why it was so divisive is important here. It certainly isn’t just because it was so upsetting. Baelor and The Rains of Castamere are two of the most loved episodes of the series. People obviously have serious issues with how this one was written. Both Baelor and Rains of Castamere were episode where bad characters (I hope no one argues that Joffrey, Walder Frey and Roose Bolton are good people) do bad things to good characters. Dany is a divisive character, who became a greyer character during the series and is now at the climax, where people question her and her actions. People have been questioning her actions the entire time. There’s been plenty of instances where people had big problems with stuff she did (crucifying the masters at random, locking up the dragons, Mossador, Dickon, etc). But those all felt like things Daenerys would actually do. Targeting woman and children when she already did way more than enough to be feared like she wanted made no sense. She’s literally said in the show she doesn’t want to be queen of the ashes but D&D probably forgot... |
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Post by ladystoneboobs on May 14, 2019 8:38:16 GMT -5
I knew it wouldn't happen but I hoped they would escape to Pentos together and live a quiet life with their child. a quiet life until their child grew up enough to be the next lion queen, take back the 7 kingdoms and get vengeance on all the enemies of house lannister. it is a beautiful dream. |
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Post by nikma on May 14, 2019 9:18:27 GMT -5
This is why last season is devisive:
All I want is an awe inspiring breathtaking genre-defining fantasy epic with a bittersweet conclusion that remains faithful to its characters while maintaining perfect historical military accuracy and parallels classic Shakespearean tragedies that subvert expectations in a satisfying way that's never been done on screen before. Is that so much to ask?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 9:23:52 GMT -5
Nobody wanted to see her burning women and children AFTER the battle was won . We wanted to see her defeat Cersei. Period. If some innocents died indiscriminately that would have been one thing, but what we got was completely ooc for the Daenerys we’ve followed for years. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. I don't really understand the relevance of this happening after she had won. Her stans would have been happy with her burning the city pre-surrender, but not after? Either way it is still an atrocity. The smallfolk are the smallfolk either way and did nothing wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 9:24:21 GMT -5
This is why last season is devisive: All I want is an awe inspiring breathtaking genre-defining fantasy epic with a bittersweet conclusion that remains faithful to its characters while maintaining perfect historical military accuracy and parallels classic Shakespearean tragedies that subvert expectations in a satisfying way that's never been done on screen before. Is that so much to ask? I’d settle for just the bittersweet part at this point. I fell in love with this story because of the characters. Not because of subverting tropes and big twists. And after all the tragedies and hardships they’ve been through all these years I don’t feel like any of this is very hopeful. |
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Post by nikma on May 14, 2019 9:25:56 GMT -5
It was just a joke.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 9:32:44 GMT -5
Nobody wanted to see her burning women and children AFTER the battle was won . We wanted to see her defeat Cersei. Period. If some innocents died indiscriminately that would have been one thing, but what we got was completely ooc for the Daenerys we’ve followed for years. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. I don't really understand the relevance of this happening after she had won. Her stans would have been happy with her burning the city pre-surrender, but not after? Either way it is still an atrocity. The smallfolk are the smallfolk either way and did nothing wrong. First off I just have to declare how much I hate the term “Stan” wrt to liking a character. Fuck it sounds so stupid. As for burning the city, just because one chick on Twitter wanted to see that doesn’t mean most people did. I wanted to see her wreck the GC, Euron and Cersei. Not the entire fucking city. There was absolutely no reason to do that. Like I said, she already did far more than enough to be feared liked she wanted by just beating Cersei so easily. |
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Post by atargbyanothername on May 14, 2019 9:56:25 GMT -5
I dont know if we are supposed to feel conflicted when Dany executes Varys or not but i fully supported her there. He plotted against her (and tried to poison her?!) before she had done anything more than fall into inconsolable grief. Of course he had to go I completely missed that Varys was trying to poison Dany. Okay, yeah, she absolutely did the right thing then. The whole thing with Varys wasn't very good writing in general, imo. How is he not smart enough to see that Jon would be a terrible king. Like, okay, he's a great fighter and kind of a nice guy, but he's so freaking dense. If he was king, his advisors and his enemies would play him like a damn fiddle all the time, he has like zero cunning. It makes no sense to me why Varys would turn on Dany when he did. The only thing missing was him mentioning how Dany is super emotional right now because she's probably on her period or something. I missed it at first too. Literally gave an audible scoff when Varys said he knew Jon would be a good king. Lol, lets ignore all the idiotic decisions and actions he took the past few seasons. Dany’s supposed “allies” were all either idiots, traitors or ungrateful nothings |
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Post by belle on May 14, 2019 10:07:58 GMT -5
Nobody wanted to see her burning women and children AFTER the battle was won. We wanted to see her defeat Cersei. Period. If some innocents died indiscriminately that would have been one thing, but what we got was completely ooc for the Daenerys we’ve followed for years. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. For real. If it was a 10 episode season and they had built up her madness it would have worked. But how she just “snapped” felt forced |
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Post by belle on May 14, 2019 10:13:09 GMT -5
The main problem with this season isn’t the plot. It’s that it’s clunky and rushed. Mad Queen Dany, NK defeated before political stuff, Jaime and Cersei dying together are fine things on their own. But it really felt like checking off bulletpoints with how rushed it all is.
This season needed 10 episodes.
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