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Post by atargbyanothername on May 14, 2019 10:51:24 GMT -5
I can’t stop rewatching and laughing at the Golden Company going up in smoke
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 10:54:47 GMT -5
I can’t stop rewatching and laughing at the Golden Company going up in smoke Must have been trained by the NK...
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Post by ladystoneboobs on May 14, 2019 11:01:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 11:02:50 GMT -5
I don't really understand the relevance of this happening after she had won. Her stans would have been happy with her burning the city pre-surrender, but not after? Either way it is still an atrocity. The smallfolk are the smallfolk either way and did nothing wrong. First off I just have to declare how much I hate the term “Stan” wrt to liking a character. Fuck it sounds so stupid. As for burning the city, just because one chick on Twitter wanted to see that doesn’t mean most people did. I wanted to see her wreck the GC, Euron and Cersei. Not the entire fucking city. There was absolutely no reason to do that. Like I said, she already did far more than enough to be feared liked she wanted by just beating Cersei so easily. This doesn't really answer my question.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on May 14, 2019 11:13:20 GMT -5
I can’t stop rewatching and laughing at the Golden Company going up in smoke Yeah, the Golden Company was incredibly pointless. I'm surprised Cersei didn't have more of a plan such as trying to trap Dany's armies inside, but once Drogon was burning everything to a crisp, she probably figured it was over.
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Post by wolf on May 14, 2019 11:18:47 GMT -5
Beside that I disagree with that alleged "foreshadowing" becouse her actions in my opinion were perfectly resonable in the context of this world and universe and justified, the mere foreshadowing is not enough. Somebody on another forum put it perfectly:
"God I’m just gonna say it, bc people don’t seem to understand this. Foreshadowing is not the same thing as actually developing a character arc. You can say this was foreshadowed as much as you want but the truth of the matter is, it still doesn’t make sense. They never really showed Dany do anything that would make us believe she is actually going mad. You can’t just have a couple of characters worry about it, have her save millions of lives and then just magically make her go mad. There is no progression. There is her being a hero and then in the span of an episode she is mad. Hinting that Daenerys will go mad, isn’t the same thing as actually writing her decent to madness. I don’t care if you foreshadowed it, it still doesn’t make sense"
Daenerys risked her life and everything she got to save the world from Night King and Army of the Dead and then two episode later she went mad and killed thousands od innocent people?
I know that Dany had always many haters who thought the worst of her but come on it is total bullshit and atrocious writing.
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Post by freypies on May 14, 2019 11:31:50 GMT -5
Unless you did a scientific study on the overall ratings for 805, it is not a fact. It is a felt truth. Currently a 6.9 on IMDb and 49% on Rotten Tomatoes. Pretty indicative of a poor reception, no? And I’ve seen almost unanimously negative reviews from most critics. But sure, it’s just a few butthurt fanboys and the typical haters... It is obvious that the episode was not liked by everyone, but the show is getting piled on right now, and IMDB can not be used as an accurate measure at all. I checked before the episode came out, and there were 25000 votes on IMDB with an average score of 7.1. There is a huge hate-train going on right now that is not really directed by any sort of rationality. I get that people may not like some of the events, but the fan ratings especially are being sabotaged.
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Post by belle on May 14, 2019 11:36:59 GMT -5
I can’t stop rewatching and laughing at the Golden Company going up in smoke Yeah, the Golden Company was incredibly pointless. I'm surprised Cersei didn't have more of a plan such as trying to trap Dany's armies inside, but once Drogon was burning everything to a crisp, she probably figured it was over. Seems like Cersei was just completely banking on Dany’s good morality. She was never expecting her to snap like that...and who can blame her cuz we weren’t either lol
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 11:38:42 GMT -5
First off I just have to declare how much I hate the term “Stan” wrt to liking a character. Fuck it sounds so stupid. As for burning the city, just because one chick on Twitter wanted to see that doesn’t mean most people did. I wanted to see her wreck the GC, Euron and Cersei. Not the entire fucking city. There was absolutely no reason to do that. Like I said, she already did far more than enough to be feared liked she wanted by just beating Cersei so easily. This doesn't really answer my question. How doesn’t it? There’s a huge difference between Daenerys being ruthless and callous enough to kill some innocents if they’re in her way of obtaining her goal, which was defeating Cersei, and her flying around like a lunatic killing everyone after her objective was achieved. Who’s left to fear her if everyone is dead? Who’s left to rule? It makes no sense.
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Post by belle on May 14, 2019 11:46:02 GMT -5
This doesn't really answer my question. How doesn’t it? There’s a huge difference between Daenerys being ruthless and callous enough to kill some innocents if they’re in her way of obtaining her goal, which was defeating Cersei, and her flying around like a lunatic killing everyone after her objective was achieved. Who’s left to fear her if everyone is dead? Who’s left to rule? It makes no sense. For real lol she literally went street by street burning everyone. And it If was such a copout to not show her and her emotions after the initial snap moment
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Post by Basil on May 14, 2019 11:47:54 GMT -5
How doesn’t it? There’s a huge difference between Daenerys being ruthless and callous enough to kill some innocents if they’re in her way of obtaining her goal, which was defeating Cersei, and her flying around like a lunatic killing everyone after her objective was achieved. Who’s left to fear her if everyone is dead? Who’s left to rule? It makes no sense. For real lol she literally went street by street burning everyone. And it If was such a copout to not show her and her emotions after the initial snap moment Maybe the entire time she was like, "Drogon, oh god, no! How do I stop this thing?!"
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Post by Balerion's Whiskers on May 14, 2019 11:48:24 GMT -5
This whole season has felt rushed and I think everyone involved was just tired of the intensity of their work. Yes, they were involved with the most popular TV show ever, but the directors, writers, actors, producers and behind the scenes folk have invested nearly 10 years of their lives in this fishbowl. I think they tried their best to wrap it up this season, but they should have done 2 more with 10 episodes each. However, the unknown actors who are now household names are wanting to stretch their wings. It was time for them to end it on a personal level...it just goes back to what GRRM decided to do when he started writing this behemoth. He didn't think anyone would be capable of bringing it to the screen. I think they gave it a heroic effort and it worked for the most part...especially when they had GRRM's books to follow.
I think the broad strokes are there, but how they unfold will be different in the show and the books. I've always been a book purist and consider the show just an adaptation...and concessions have had to be made to bring it to the screen (it isn't cinematically interesting to have someone sitting and pondering their actions) The biggest problem I've seen with the show is that we do not get the internal monologue that each pov character shares with us in the books. Without that we are at the mercy of how the writers and directors tell the story. Internal monologues would have been so helpful this season with Varys, Arya, Jon, Jaime and especially Dany.
That said, I'm not surprised on how this is playing out (my hubby is horrified)I've never been a 'Mad Queen Dany' supporter and I don't think she's actually gone full on Aerys...but she's always been impulsive, quick to anger, entitled and over the top in retribution...and she has one big dragon that is pissed because his brothers are dead. I suspect she'll never rule Westeros, but how D&D play it out and how GRRM plays it out will be apples and oranges and I'm betting that GRRM's will be more satisfying.
I've still enjoyed the show and so many of the characters have become my mental picture when I read the books. Tyrion will forever be Peter in my head canon, even though his book counterpart looks completely different. Same with Tywin/Charles Dance. Rory will always be Sandor and Maisie will always be Arya. Pedro/Oberyn, Lena/Cersei and Nicolaj/Jaime have all played their roles so beautifully that that's who I see as well. I love Kit and Emilia and they have played their roles wonderfully, but I have a different picture in my head when I read them...Sansa/Sophie too. Nothing against them as actors, my head canon just sees something else.
I have no complaints on how D&D did the show. This was their vision and as HBO gave them fatter checkbooks, they stepped up their game and brought us a visual feast for our eyes,and souls. They made us care for the characters and their fates...even the evil ones had a spark of good and the good ones had a spark of evil. (except Joffery and Ramsey)Even Littlefinger had his benevolent moments as long as they made him look good. I think they succeeded in bringing the story to life and created a world-wide phenomenon in the process....that's why it's hard to agree with everything they did...we literally have millions of folks with their own opinions.
Sunday will be bittersweet, regardless of how the events unfold...the end of an era and 'we shall never see its like again'
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Post by belle on May 14, 2019 11:51:35 GMT -5
When GRRM does Mad queen dany in the books, it will definitely be fleshed out and more built up.
Dany will probably commit “smaller” atrocities before going full on genocidal.
GRRM was a fucking liar about not being a nihilist though. I can’t think of anything more nihilistic than Dany becoming even more evil than Cersei.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 11:52:39 GMT -5
How doesn’t it? There’s a huge difference between Daenerys being ruthless and callous enough to kill some innocents if they’re in her way of obtaining her goal, which was defeating Cersei, and her flying around like a lunatic killing everyone after her objective was achieved. Who’s left to fear her if everyone is dead? Who’s left to rule? It makes no sense. For real lol she literally went street by street burning everyone. And it If was such a copout to not show her and her emotions after the initial snap moment And she must of killed some of her own men. Something else I can’t see her being even the slightest bit ok with up until this episode. Just 2 episodes ago she broke the plan during the battle against the NK because the Dothraki were being killed.
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Post by alcasinoroyale on May 14, 2019 11:53:09 GMT -5
Yeah, the Golden Company was incredibly pointless. I'm surprised Cersei didn't have more of a plan such as trying to trap Dany's armies inside, but once Drogon was burning everything to a crisp, she probably figured it was over. Seems like Cersei was just completely banking on Dany’s good morality. She was never expecting her to snap like that...and who can blame her cuz we weren’t either lol I figured that Dany would burn KL, but never to this extent. If we forget about what D&D have said, is there enough in the series to show that her snapping like this and burning innocence makes sense. Unless it's just people fuck up and logic disappears in that moment because they're human. Maybe Dany realized they would never support her if they had no desire to overthrow Cersei, but at some point Dany had to have an idea who she was burning. It wasn't just Cersei's soldiers, it was the people she would have ruled.
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