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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 0:33:17 GMT -5
Well, Bran is demigod basically and he can spell out anything about their past life, something he's no privy to. That alone tells you he knows things and he simply is to be trusted. No reason to lie for him as he is weird and really doesn't give a damn about anything other than The Night King and AotD. On top of it, just because you want footage or witness doesn't make it less of a truth. This s fantasy world where shadow babies are born, dragons are flying, undead zombies are coming. It just adds up to what some might have thought before about Ned. People have been questioning it like Stannis, Robert and some others. Hell, Jon must have Valyrian blood to ride a dragon which is another telling sign. Put it all together, and you have a pretty solid case. Not like it matters as claim went outta window a long time ago. Who has military power can claim it. A solid case that he's Rhaegar's bastard, which is possible considering the prevailing truth in Westeros is that he raped Lyanna to death. But born of a legitimate marriage? Is Bran going to do his magic trick in every hearth and hovel in Westeros? The whole thing seems shaky at best. But I do agree with you, there is no claim, its about who can take it with might. Sam has documents, Bran saw the wedding live. It's not like these are not trustworthy. You're really overthinking it like when people thought how the rest of the Westeros will question Jon leaving the Night's Watch and being stabbed to death. You know, leaving the Night's Watch is punishable by death and the North takes their oaths seriously. It happened, the plot is moving on. Dany is going to believe it, much like Tyrion who trusts Jon. Jorah knows both Jon and Sam are honorable so he'll believe him as Sam saved him. Varys will also put pieces together. Arya and Sansa will not question Bran and Jon, it's their family and Bran has demonstrated his powers.
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Post by daeronthegood on Apr 18, 2019 8:34:51 GMT -5
A solid case that he's Rhaegar's bastard, which is possible considering the prevailing truth in Westeros is that he raped Lyanna to death. But born of a legitimate marriage? Is Bran going to do his magic trick in every hearth and hovel in Westeros? The whole thing seems shaky at best. But I do agree with you, there is no claim, its about who can take it with might. Sam has documents, Bran saw the wedding live. It's not like these are not trustworthy. You're really overthinking it like when people thought how the rest of the Westeros will question Jon leaving the Night's Watch and being stabbed to death. You know, leaving the Night's Watch is punishable by death and the North takes their oaths seriously. It happened, the plot is moving on. Dany is going to believe it, much like Tyrion who trusts Jon. Jorah knows both Jon and Sam are honorable so he'll believe him as Sam saved him. Varys will also put pieces together. Arya and Sansa will not question Bran and Jon, it's their family and Bran has demonstrated his powers. Sam's 'document' is a diary LOL. Maybe you're right, but the whole GOT for 7 seasons is a joke if all it takes for people to accept the legitimacy of a secret prince is a diary found by your bff and the word of your brother. That is is enough to put the crown on someone's head? Ugh, why not just invent a living witness who can swear they were there? Why compound secrecy with ridiculousness?
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 18, 2019 8:46:15 GMT -5
Sam has documents, Bran saw the wedding live. It's not like these are not trustworthy. You're really overthinking it like when people thought how the rest of the Westeros will question Jon leaving the Night's Watch and being stabbed to death. You know, leaving the Night's Watch is punishable by death and the North takes their oaths seriously. It happened, the plot is moving on. Dany is going to believe it, much like Tyrion who trusts Jon. Jorah knows both Jon and Sam are honorable so he'll believe him as Sam saved him. Varys will also put pieces together. Arya and Sansa will not question Bran and Jon, it's their family and Bran has demonstrated his powers. Sam's 'document' is a diary LOL. Maybe you're right, but the whole GOT for 7 seasons is a joke if all it takes for people to accept the legitimacy of a secret prince is a diary found by your bff and the word of your brother. That is is enough to put the crown on someone's head? Ugh, why not just invent a living witness who can swear they were there? Why compound secrecy with ridiculousness? If there is a diary, there will be paperwork to authenticate this in the Citadel somewhere. Not that it matters. Inheritance rights have gone out of the window in Westeros.
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Post by daeronthegood on Apr 18, 2019 9:10:03 GMT -5
Sam's 'document' is a diary LOL. Maybe you're right, but the whole GOT for 7 seasons is a joke if all it takes for people to accept the legitimacy of a secret prince is a diary found by your bff and the word of your brother. That is is enough to put the crown on someone's head? Ugh, why not just invent a living witness who can swear they were there? Why compound secrecy with ridiculousness? If there is a diary, there will be paperwork to authenticate this in the Citadel somewhere. Not that it matters. Inheritance rights have gone out of the window in Westeros. It's all mess, for something so monumental it feels very haphazard and doesn't conform to the world of ASOIAF. We'll see I guess.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 18, 2019 9:19:33 GMT -5
I think this is a thing you care about way more than anyone else that is watching the show cares about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 9:33:53 GMT -5
I think this is a thing you care about way more than anyone else that is watching the show cares about. PREACH.
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Post by katjushka on Apr 18, 2019 9:51:36 GMT -5
Ugh, why not just invent a living witness who can swear they were there? Because it doesn't/won't matter? If Jon ends up being king of the seven kingdoms on anything similar to that it will not be because he is Rhaegar's son. (He will be king because he won the war if that happens, which I doubt anyway) It matters to Jon and those close to him and all of them will believe Sam and Bran. It will not matter to anyone else if he can prove being a Targaryen or not.
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Post by laurya on Apr 18, 2019 10:26:58 GMT -5
Sam has documents, Bran saw the wedding live. It's not like these are not trustworthy. You're really overthinking it like when people thought how the rest of the Westeros will question Jon leaving the Night's Watch and being stabbed to death. You know, leaving the Night's Watch is punishable by death and the North takes their oaths seriously. It happened, the plot is moving on. Dany is going to believe it, much like Tyrion who trusts Jon. Jorah knows both Jon and Sam are honorable so he'll believe him as Sam saved him. Varys will also put pieces together. Arya and Sansa will not question Bran and Jon, it's their family and Bran has demonstrated his powers. Sam's 'document' is a diary LOL. Maybe you're right, but the whole GOT for 7 seasons is a joke if all it takes for people to accept the legitimacy of a secret prince is a diary found by your bff and the word of your brother. That is is enough to put the crown on someone's head? Ugh, why not just invent a living witness who can swear they were there? Why compound secrecy with ridiculousness? Can you explain why some random witness should be more credible than the documents Sam brought from the Citadel plus WikiBrania?
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Post by izzue on Apr 18, 2019 12:42:36 GMT -5
This is another subplot that sort of felt was out in left field somewhere and sort of weird. I guess it just seems completely unbelievable to me that fans think Bronn would actually go through with doing Cersei's bidding. He's worked for Tyrion and Jaime, never Cersei. She seems to forget he agreed to set up the meeting between Tyrion/Jaime last season and she even threatened Jaime with that knowledge. So this change of direction in wanting Bronn to assassinate them is odd and clunky. Oh, yes - I definitely agree! I was just wondering where it will fit in, since I can't imagine Bronn ever using it. But something will be done with it, methinks, else it wouldn't have been introduced the way it was.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 14:11:00 GMT -5
Sam has documents, Bran saw the wedding live. It's not like these are not trustworthy. You're really overthinking it like when people thought how the rest of the Westeros will question Jon leaving the Night's Watch and being stabbed to death. You know, leaving the Night's Watch is punishable by death and the North takes their oaths seriously. It happened, the plot is moving on. Dany is going to believe it, much like Tyrion who trusts Jon. Jorah knows both Jon and Sam are honorable so he'll believe him as Sam saved him. Varys will also put pieces together. Arya and Sansa will not question Bran and Jon, it's their family and Bran has demonstrated his powers. Sam's 'document' is a diary LOL. Maybe you're right, but the whole GOT for 7 seasons is a joke if all it takes for people to accept the legitimacy of a secret prince is a diary found by your bff and the word of your brother. That is is enough to put the crown on someone's head? Ugh, why not just invent a living witness who can swear they were there? Why compound secrecy with ridiculousness? I'm sure random wetnurse or Howland Reed who they don't know is more reliable than Sam and Bran who are their friends, family. But okay, continue to think so if you want to.
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Post by Singer of Death on Apr 18, 2019 14:58:59 GMT -5
The Northerners are against Jon, but they gonna go 180 degree If they are told Jon's has a better claim to the IT with the help of Bran and Howland Reed (with Meera as backup).
Edit: Although it is a valid point that people aren't going to believe in Jon's claim just because of some diary and witnesses as it can potentially be fabricated, they are willing to do so for their benefits regardless of how stretch of the truth. Reminds me of the War of the Roses. For cases examples like how Richard III discrediting his nephews' claims and Henry VII whose mother was a widow queen and a father who was a squire.
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Post by TheArchmaester on Apr 18, 2019 16:03:44 GMT -5
So Yara is officially Queen of the Iron Islands as soon as she gets to Pyke, right? And she has Dany's blessing.
That will make Euron king of nothing. Guessing he either marries Cersei or usurpes the throne... one of those things is bound to happen imo.
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Post by Envie on Apr 18, 2019 16:24:02 GMT -5
So Yara is officially Queen of the Iron Islands as soon as she gets to Pyke, right? And she has Dany's blessing. That will make Euron king of nothing. Guessing he either marries Cersei or usurpes the throne... one of those things is bound to happen imo. I'm curious what Euron's going to do when he realizes Yara escaped and is back at Pyke. Won't he be pissed off and want to sail his fleet back there? I guess it will matter quite a deal if Cersei keeps stringing him along or actually goes through with marrying him. He can't stay in King's Landing and pursue the Iron Throne while at the same time claiming the Salt Throne which he already did. This could end up being a deal breaker.
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Post by nikma on Apr 18, 2019 16:28:28 GMT -5
I mean KL is more important than Iron Islands.
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